Supra Hybrid - 300 bhp

Road & Track, March 2004:

Toyota Supra Hybrid

Toyota will soon introduce a hybrid SUV based on the Lexus RX 330. And we hear that it will set the stage for Toyota's next big hybrid project, a sports car. It makes perfect sense for Toyota, a global leader in hybrid technology, to create a sports car with a hybrid twist. The new-wave Toyota 2+2 (below) is rumored to produce at least 300 bhp, sending power to all four wheels, using a similar system incorporated into the RX 330.
The CS&S concept car displayed at the Geneva auto show was apparently a tease. Rated at only 145 bhp, the CS&S was created to gauge public opinion of a possible hybrid sports car. The reaction from the media and public was good, so Toyota may have decided to go forward with the program. This 300-bhp hybrid sports car would fill the void left by the Supra a few years ago. - SM

But why? Who cares about saving gas if you have a sports car!@?!? Maybe cause electric motors are very torquey so you can get off the line quickly but I think the added weight would be more of a dissadvantage.

A hybrid sports car? NO:thumbdown :thumbdown :disappoin

wow, i like it...

it WONT be called the supra, that's for sure...

but, atleast toyota will have a real sports car again...

:thumbup: If it's fast and can save me a few bucks, especially at the pump, then I'm all for it.

I'm sorry but the car in that pic is U-G-L-Y. I want the old supra with a facelift.:D

I heard of some electric car that could do an 11 sec 1/4 mile. I forgget what it was called though.

Hybrid cars are the future of ALL cars. When they start to com eout with hybrid supra's you'll like them. The weight of the fuel cells won't be much of an issue. The incredible levels of torque produced by the motors will be giving cars 0-60 times like no other. Just an example, the new Toyota Prius has over 250ft/lbs of torque, under 1500 RPM's. Not a race car, but you get the point. When the application is made for a sports car then it will be good. It will be very good.:D

Originally posted by powderblue91
I heard of some electric car that could do an 11 sec 1/4 mile. I forgget what it was called though.

it's called the t zero. there's a video of it beating a ferrari 355 on the internet somewhere. but who cares. i know for one i don't like the idea of a hybrid sports car. especially if it's going to be called a supra. for me, the supra will always be about the i-6, and a turbocharged one at that. who has ever told you that their heart raced at the sound of an electric motor at speed? i'm willing to guess no one. i don't know, call me a purist, i just don't like the idea.

Originally posted by Gen3cruiser
Just an example, the new Toyota Prius has over 250ft/lbs of torque, under 1500 RPM's. Not a race car, but you get the point. When the application is made for a sports car then it will be good. It will be very good.:D

250 ft/lbs?? Are you for real? Cos when I drive my pop's new prius, it's so frigging slow.... and passing power on the highway, forget about it.... i thought i had busted the tranny or something cos it felt like it was slipping!

Originally posted by powderblue91
I heard of some electric car that could do an 11 sec 1/4 mile. I forgget what it was called though.

Yeah but cars like that have no recharging mechanism and can only run for a few minutes at a time.

How do you think the Prius gets juice?

The motor is the recharging mechanism. The motors would only be used when there is hard accelerating. The rest of the time, cruising at near constant speed the gasoling motor is using the electirc motors as generators.

And yeah, I'm serious, 295ft/lbs 0-1200 RPM.

http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/prius/specs.html

T Zero has a 100 mile range and can charge in an hour. Not bad for an electric car that quick

http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm

Well, remember, the new NSX was supposed to be hybird, but that fell thru and it will have a phat V6 good for 350-400 HP IIRC.

Who knows. I just want to see a fast rear or AWD Toyota!

^^

Oooo, Supra, AWD? Ooooooo :D

Originally posted by Razo-E
but, atleast toyota will have a real sports car again...

:werd:

dont knock a hybrid sports car, the next Highlander hybrid with have more power than most V8s on the market. It will be a 3.3 V6 with 270 ponies. On top of that it does fom 0-60 in 8 secs, plus you can go up to 600 miles without refueling.

So imagine if they can do that with a lightweight SUV what an even lighter car will be able to do, especially one that is designed to car fast. Think about it, you got all the go without worrying about shelling out 30-40 bucks every 40 miles cause you have a gas guzzler.

Even better imagine it in a pick-up all the power you want and great gas mileage.

EDIT: The Supra is dead, please stop name dropping as the next sports car.

Motor Trend is always late, and 8 of 10 times wrong.

Originally posted by Sportivo Concepts
dont knock a hybrid sports car, the next Highlander hybrid with have more power than most V8s on the market. It will be a 3.3 V6 with 270 ponies. On top of that it does fom 0-60 in 8 secs, plus you can go up to 600 miles without refueling.

So imagine if they can do that with a lightweight SUV what an even lighter car will be able to do, especially one that is designed to car fast. Think about it, you got all the go without worying about shelling out 30-40 bucks every 40 miles cause you have a gas guzzler.

Even better imagine it in a pick-up all the power you want and great gas mileage.

Again, :werd:

Supposedly the next Eclipse will be hybrid to take advantage of the torque from an electric motor. They mess with the numbers to give it some wack spec like 500 lb/ft of torque or something. That's a year away though, and much can change in the implementation between now and then, though.

I dunno, part of me doesn't like the idea of an electric car, but mostly it's nostalgia. If a well-designed hybrid sports car can be manufactured that's fun to drive, I'm for it -- as long as it doesn't have that electric motor whine to make it sound like I'm driving an RC racer ;)

that car in the pic looks gay. if they ever bring the supra back it better not look all futuristic and sh*t.

^
And it should have a gas powered engine

Originally posted by MR2QuiK
that car in the pic looks gay. if they ever bring the supra back it better not look all futuristic and sh*t.


they WONT ever bring back the Supra...

i happen to like that car, and i find nothing wrong with it...

^^ thats why i said IF. in my opinion i dont like the car. i hate the way they are turning out now a days all futuristic. everyone is entitled to they opinions razo.

Originally posted by MR2QuiK
^^ thats why i said IF. in my opinion i dont like the car. i hate the way they are turning out now a days all futuristic. everyone is entitled to they opinions razo.


nah, i didnt mean it that way, but Toyota has never brought back a dead name plate, so it's safe to assume, they never will...

What they should do is make the electric motor run the front wheels for part time AWD and the gas engine run the rear wheels. This will be good for launching, and getting out of places when stuck. Best idea ever and copyrighted by me.

Hybrid cannot work for a sports car.
After a few laps around a track or some extended spirited driving the motors go dead and they are dead weight.
The reason a Prius is so slow is that that torque is mostly unavailable at more useful RPM's.

Originally posted by Morpheus
Hybrid cannot work for a sports car.
After a few laps around a track or some extended spirited driving the motors go dead and they are dead weight.

:rolleyes:

sorry steath but mitsu. has already come out with that idea in the new eclipse like brink said. 270hp gas engine in front and a 200hp electric in the back. read about it in auto trek.

Originally posted by Morpheus
Hybrid cannot work for a sports car.
After a few laps around a track or some extended spirited driving the motors go dead and they are dead weight.
The reason a Prius is so slow is that that torque is mostly unavailable at more useful RPM's.

Wrong again, Mazda has already done it with the Ibuka (sp?) in Japan. You also have a misconception of how a hybrid engine works, they electric motor is not always on. Just like in trains and the Prius, Estima Hybrid and Alphard Hybrid, the motor kicks in to give the exta juice when needed. And when your doing lets say cirlce track racing like NASCAR it mainly kicks in when your braking and when your passing somebody. Same with Rally style (SCCA, WRC), in fact Toyota has a Prius as the pace car and as a race car in seveal rally circuts as well as circle track racing. And on top of that they do very well.

And as for drag racing just look at the specs of the Highlander hybrid.

You would be surprised at how a hybrid engine could help,plus your forgetting that you could tune the progam so that the electric moto would kick in at cetain time.

capitalism wont let gasoline powered cars dissapear just yet

we'll still have our porsche's and ferarri's

but the research and the leap in recent technology is amazing ...

but we are still all nostaligic...

OPEC will -NEVER- relinquish its prescence in the world

electric cars are pretty good i used to race one in high school. it was a 94 probe gt with a ford escort manual tranny no clutch it could smoke tires on 4th gear i think it had 76hp at the wheels and 428ft\lb of torque it had 20 yellow top optimas and had 192 volt running through it if i had the money i would build one for myself it was fast and it could go for along distance not good on highway only local and if your going to ask yes it was gutted even the rear suspension we cut holes in it th drop the weight down to 2566 thats with 2 passangers me 135 my freind 167 we raced in rallye north carolina

Originally posted by Razo-E
wow, i like it...

it WONT be called the supra, that's for sure...

but, atleast toyota will have a real sports car again...

They do have a sport car, well not a true sports car, but still a sports car, The Celica, MR-S, and SC430 (Soarer)

True sport car:

Supra.
................GT-1 road car. :lol:
http://www.nexttestdrive.net/internalimages/gallery/ToyotaGT1.jpg

^ that is sick ^____^

hmm.... i guess it would be kinda hard to mod any hybird car right??

Yes and no, but man you're digging for gold here!

finally Toyota making a comeback in the sports car arena!!! AWD is the way to go if they wanna compete with the Evo, Sti, and Z. But im sure gonna miss the sound of a BOV.:(

how would being AWD be a way to compete with the Z?...

Yeah, just about every tuner magazine out there has said that a certain car is the new supra at one point or another... Car and Driver said that the Volta is the base design for the new Supra... which is of course not true... nor is there any truth in anything that is said about a new supra, sure, it would pwn if they brought back the name of thier top dawg sports car...

So... it would be like tuning a normal car right?... except that knowing Toyota and other companies... it will be limited due to a probably VERY advance computer system, which will be a bitch and a 1/2 to moddify, since toyota's new stance seems to be function over performance...

Originally posted by Ne0z31
how would being AWD be a way to compete with the Z?...

Yeah, just about every tuner magazine out there has said that a certain car is the new supra at one point or another... Car and Driver said that the Volta is the base design for the new Supra... which is of course not true... nor is there any truth in anything that is said about a new supra, sure, it would pwn if they brought back the name of thier top dawg sports car...

So... it would be like tuning a normal car right?... except that knowing Toyota and other companies... it will be limited due to a probably VERY advance computer system, which will be a bitch and a 1/2 to moddify, since toyota's new stance seems to be function over performance...

AWD is always better for launches, and i bet it will be hard to tune at first, but as the technology for tuners increases along with the technology of hybrid vehicles- it will seem relatively the same after a while.

im all for hybrids! bring them on! why the heck does it matter if your motor needs gas or electricity (or both), as long as its fast what is the difference?? so what if your car sounds like a golf-kart. if it can run 13's nobodys going to be talking shit!!

jon

WORD !:p:

Irnoically enough I was asking a bunch of technicans about the magic of hybrid cars a few weeks ago. First off yes we have the technology to make full hybrid cars but...why make nice fuel economic cars when the government can leech more money out of us for fossil fuels? And from what the technicans told me, they couldn't really be a full electric car. Something about the crankshaft not being able to take it all or something. That and at massively high rpms it becomes more unstable than a gas powered car. Which is why from what I've seen prius's only come in auto. But yeah they do have nasty amounts of torque from 0-whenever. Why I don't know but I will look into it further. :cool:

Ok, there is on more Supra! It's not coming out. If there was, SC would know about it already. Seeing as was are an Official Toyota News provider :p:

And Hybrid cars are more easily tuned then any other car. And you can get more out of them. Shit, I'll write up a whole thread on it in 20min.


Someone needs to lock this stupid thread:rolleyes:

If you spend like 50g's on this...Would you really care about gas money?

I really have to agree with that. IF you spend 50 grand knowing it's a sports car you have to be aware of the gas milage and how much your insurance will be. So take a commuter car and turn it into a street machine :D

Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6
Ok, there is on more Supra! It's not coming out. If there was, SC would know about it already. Seeing as was are an Official Toyota News provider :p:

And Hybrid cars are more easily tuned then any other car. And you can get more out of them. Shit, I'll write up a whole thread on it in 20min.


Someone needs to lock this stupid thread:rolleyes:

:fuckyou:

This is MY stupid thread! :slap:

^ Down boy! And guys try to stay on topic!

i saw on the history channel a hybrid car (i forgot the name) kicks a viper's ass.. so it is possible to make a fast hybrid car.

the new mitsubishi eclipse is suposed to be a hybrid too. some 268-hp, 3.8 liter v6 powering the front wheels and an electric motor conected to the rear wheels producing 201 hp. If the supra is anything like it it will prolly be fast and cheep at the pump. Win! Win! :D