wimpy car

so i am right to say that the xa and xb have 1.5 L DOHC engines that put out 108 hp. That is weak. A honda 1.6 L VTEC engine can put out 160 hp. The a 1.8 L has 180 or 190 (gsr or type R). so to say that .2 L can increase 20 -30 hp, so then .1 should be 10-15 hp. So why does the scion not put out at least 130 hp.

Scions look cool and all, but with all show and no go, what do they expect to happen

the xa and xb should put out at least 130 it should put out more like 140. And there's a supercharger for it, that increases it to what like 130. wow, wimpy supercharger. So with the supercharger you could win against a astro van and maybe a geo:lol:

Stop hating...you drive a 2.2L Camry. It's not like you aren't slow.

:gfy: :fuckyou:

my camry rules

My car would kill your car

Scion xA Power to weight ratio:

2340/108 = 21.6

92 Camry power to weight ratio:

2934/133 = 22.06

Not to mention they have an aftermarket that can make Camry owners jealous. I'm not saying they're better than us, or we're better than them, but damn. You gotta at least respect them.

Honda makes high revving engines that have light internals.

the only supercharger i can think of for the 1NZ is the blitz one, and i coulda sworn that bumps hp up to like 150.

plus it's more about MPG than MPH, if you want a sport car, then look else where.:D

^ more than MPG than MPH, hello the xA and xB's don't get that good of milage. I am pretty sure that a Toyota Prius is faster than an xA or xB :nutkick: . Plus those hybrids get lots of MPG.

is the scion drive by wire? I thought the pedal had a really short travel when I test drove one today :-D.

In deed it is.

Note the Prius cost is about that of 2 Scions...

the prius also has almost 300 lb. feet of torque....

which is something those hondas DONT have...

Two different concepts...Toyota Vitz/Scion xA and Toyota bBx/Scion xB are about cars that look like something phat to drive. Prius is a showcase for new technology/new automotive engineering that'll produce cars that have lower to no emissions and eventually less dependence on oil. It's more viable to do that now than it is to bank on hydrogen/fuel cell engines.

Originally posted by B Deuce
Two different concepts...Toyota Vitz/Scion xA


the Vitz is an Echo, and the Toyota Ist is the xA...

yeah, what razo-E said, ist is the xA.

i was close...not bad for not being able to read japanese. :)

Originally posted by itsmycookie
so i am right to say that the xa and xb have 1.5 L DOHC engines that put out 108 hp. That is weak. A honda 1.6 L VTEC engine can put out 160 hp. The a 1.8 L has 180 or 190 (gsr or type R). so to say that .2 L can increase 20 -30 hp, so then .1 should be 10-15 hp. So why does the scion not put out at least 130 hp.

Scions look cool and all, but with all show and no go, what do they expect to happen

The Scion is aimed at the younger market. Goals are to keep prices low, quality high, and produce a very attractive product that will produce a cult-like following. All of which Toyota did. Think about it before talking smack.

nevermind the fact that the same thing happened with the Civic. They made a decent tudor design, someone put a muffler on one, and now it and the integra are the most popular tuner cars to date. Same potential with Scion.

It's not fast but it's great for the daily commute in the LA area where you don't need a fast car. It's more important to be able to maneuver quickly and the Scions are extremely maneuverable. I also drive a 350Z and I don't feel like I am stepping down when driving the Scion.

Originally posted by itsmycookie
the xa and xb should put out at least 130 it should put out more like 140. And there's a supercharger for it, that increases it to what like 130. wow, wimpy supercharger. So with the supercharger you could win against a astro van and maybe a geo:lol:

Hey man, I have an astro, AWD, and i doubt a scion could beat it... even with a supercharger.. im pretty sure it beats my i-4 1994 camry :-(

what do u expect from a $14k box? its definitely not the fastest car around but, if you've driven one, i think you'd agree that it holds its own for having only 108 hp.

Originally posted by VVT-i Owns
In deed it is.

Note the Prius cost is about that of 2 Scions...

I heard the Prius actually costs Toyota around $40 g's to produce. So sad, they have to take a loss on every sale!!!:rolleyes:

uh-unh.....that was the first gen.

they confirmed they were taking a loss on the first gen's, but never gave a price. However, starting with the second gen, tehy are actually making money. They make it in a plant alongside i think the camry, and a couple other cars. The plant is ready to make 5 different models.

:mad: please i own hondas as well as an xb that 1.6 vtec is a joke that is why honda stoped making it the tags said 160 it was more like 115 toyota is atleast honest about power at the crank ,besides an xb and tc are how japanese cars should be built light, roomy, nimble, quick , sturdy something that most of the japanese car companies forgot

plus it's more about MPG than MPH, if you want a sport car, then look else where.



Right on ! :lol:

why dont you compare the xb box with something similar to what honda offered? one word:element.

the xb is not slow it feels alot more like 120 or 130 hp but if they put the 2.2 from the tc in an xb and then added the supercharger lookin at like 190 or so? 1 sweet ass.!!!!!

the xb is not equivelent to the element people just think they are the same cuz theyre both boxy. wrong!!!!!

tC has a 2.4L 2az, not a 2.2L (i guess u're thinking it's the 5sfe from the precious gen camry)


and yeah, they're not same at all, i agree

oh.. not sayin that those 2 boxes are the same- not at all. im jus sayin that toyota's box is better :rockon:. anywaiz.. 2.4 az-fe or 2.2 5s-fe stuck into the xb's engine bay? i duno bout that. i say work with the weak engine itself cuz ive heard of plenty of turbocharged power produced by those lil engines in the vitzs in japan.

Originally posted by itsmycookie
so i am right to say that the xa and xb have 1.5 L DOHC engines that put out 108 hp. That is weak. A honda 1.6 L VTEC engine can put out 160 hp. The a 1.8 L has 180 or 190 (gsr or type R). so to say that .2 L can increase 20 -30 hp, so then .1 should be 10-15 hp. So why does the scion not put out at least 130 hp.

Scions look cool and all, but with all show and no go, what do they expect to happen

They expect them to sell. Scions are not supposed to be fast, except for the tC. You should also stop somparing Hondas Performance engines to Toyotas economy engines. Honda also has 1.6 liter engines that make similar hp to the Scions in their base model Civics. Only the Si has 160hp and that car is only slightly faster than an xA and slower than a tC. If you want to compare 4 cyl performance engines, then look at Toyota engines like the 3sge and 4age. By the way, displacement has very little to do with how much power a car makes.


Originally posted by nataku009
:mad: please i own hondas as well as an xb that 1.6 vtec is a joke that is why honda stoped making it the tags said 160 it was more like 115 toyota is atleast honest about power at the crank ,besides an xb and tc are how japanese cars should be built light, roomy, nimble, quick , sturdy something that most of the japanese car companies forgot

The Honda 1.6's are not rated low at all. People dyno them all the time and they make the power they are supposed to. They stopped making those engines because they came out with a better version of v-tec.

man, so many haters here. i own a '89 tercel and it has 1.5 liter 78hp in it and the xB has 1.5 liter 108hp, so thats 30hp increased, and im happy that im going to get it in august. oh well, different people have different opinions about it.