can I haggle on pricing on Scion?

this is a dumb newbie question. I am looking to buy a Scion tc within few weeks. is price on Scion negotiable in general? if it is NOT negotiable, is there any difference which dealer I purchase the car from?

sorry if this question has been asked already.

I did read the post on here: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t40707.html

but it wasn't very clear on the pricing, I do understand that since tc is a new model, it would be next to impossible to haggle on pricing.

my question is more of general pricing question, is it fix pricing? although Saturn is so called "fixed pricing", you actually can get better deal with differenct dealership.

do Scion charge "surcharges" on high demand model?

thanks.

I think it's a hard time to negotiate the price on the tC given it just came out less than a week ago. Won't be suprised if it's backordered in most dealerships.

Law of demand and supply applies here.

I would suggest you wait at least 6 months since it's introduced as a 2005 model.

You cannot haggle on a Scion, you will pay the same price for one today that you would in a year it is called "pure pricing". However, look out for "Documentation Fees". These are set by the dealer, and can vary from $35 to over $600. Check the dealers web site, or call around and they should give you a direct amount for the documentation fee.

Same thing goes for trading in a vehicle when buying a Scion. They have to go strictly by black book prices, so you're much better off selling to a private party, or going someplace like CarMax & taking the check... I've seen Scion sales people recommend that actually :)

I just bought a TC. I bought a Celica GTS about 2 weeks before, and they couldn't even give me a loyalty incentive. I didn't get much for my trade-in either. But I guess it's good, considering they only make like 300 bucks on the car. What you get for the money is unbelievable. I paid about 200 in processing fees, so it wasn't that bad.

yeah that is what i have heard and what i found out first hand from my local dealer

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I just bought a TC. I bought a Celica GTS about 2 weeks before, and they couldn't even give me a loyalty incentive. I didn't get much for my trade-in either. But I guess it's good, considering they only make like 300 bucks on the car. What you get for the money is unbelievable. I paid about 200 in processing fees, so it wasn't that bad.

I doubt they only make $300 on each car:eek: When I sold cars for Nissan I use to say the same thing! The best way to find out what the dealer paid is to ask them for the invoice price sheet. Oh and don't forget to ask them about a little thing called "hold back" it's extra money that they will never tell you about. I always feel that a fair deal is to offer them $500 over invoice if you' re not one to haggle.

I bought a Scion TC a few weeks ago and I paid the sticker price. They call it "pure pricing". Everyone I talk to who has bought a TC has paid the sticker price also.

yeah i got into a pretty heated argument about it with my local dealer

Everything you wanna know should be in here but if you have any additional questions talk to TRDcamry2003. He is a scion dealer and he can answer any other questions you may have.

All tCs, will cost the same no matter what dealer you go to anywhere in the US. As some mentioned it is called "Pure Pricing" and it has been in Japan for a while now with the WiLL models and some others, while in some parts of Canada Toyota of Canada does sales certain models on an regional Average.

You will not be able to talk the price down on any Scion unless it is a used one (Yes I have seen some used xBs and Xas). Toyota really isn't making much off of the Scions because:
1) The US Gov is shafting them on import fees and duties and such since all Scions are made in Japan.
2) The only extra things you are paying for is stuff like rims up to 19s and optional stuff like subs, mood lighting and other stuff to custimse the car to your liking

I just bought a scion tc about 8 days ago and I am a car salesman. The price of the scion tc is not really negotiable however the amount of money given for the trade can be worked with. My 2003 Honda Civic trade was kelly blue booked at about 10,500 dollars and I got 12,000 bucks for it from toyota.

All tCs, will cost the same no matter what dealer you go to anywhere in the US. As some mentioned it is called "Pure Pricing" and it has been in Japan for a while now with the WiLL models and some others, while in some parts of Canada Toyota of Canada does sales certain models on an regional Average.

You will not be able to talk the price down on any Scion unless it is a used one (Yes I have seen some used xBs and Xas). Toyota really isn't making much off of the Scions because:
1) The US Gov is shafting them on import fees and duties and such since all Scions are made in Japan.
2) The only extra things you are paying for is stuff like rims up to 19s and optional stuff like subs, mood lighting and other stuff to custimse the car to your liking

Scion tC is 100% made in Japan? Wow, that's better than the Lexus 430! LS430 is 95% Japan.

Scions prices can be haggled on. It all depends on the dealer also. "Pure pricing" is the term every scion dealer uses. If you are a good closer and make a very fair offer then they will give in. Scion will not make good sales if they dont budge a little on their sticker prices.

I bought my Corolla XRS months ago and weeks after it first came out. Sticker was 20k and got it out the door for less than 18k including tax

Same thing goes for trading in a vehicle when buying a Scion. They have to go strictly by black book prices, so you're much better off selling to a private party, or going someplace like CarMax & taking the check... I've seen Scion sales people recommend that actually :)That's not really true. I believe they have to stick to the price the trade in guy sets. But, if you let them know what you need to make the deal BEFORE the trade in guy assesses your car you have a chance. I know for sure because I was offered 1600 at stealership A and then went down the road, let them know I needed 4K before they even looked at it and got 4K for it from dealership B.

They can't let the car out the door for less than sticker or scion corp will ding them. They can, as mentioned above rape you on "documentation fees". Shop around on that, could save you hundreds. And if a stealer says "that's a state set fee" what he's really saying is that they are charging the maximum allowed by law. Clever, eh?

can you ask the dealer for the dealer price?

Pure pricing is like saturns approach for easier car buying, you see the sticker price and the potions with the car, you pay that price. No dealer mark up and such and such.

the only "discount" you may get is form a Student discount if you graduated and your school is on the qualified list for 500 off the sticker

Actually each dealer has different pricing, but here's the catch.... the dealer if they raise the price, they have to sell every car with that price! I recommend looking at other Scion Dealers.

For example, I went to a Toyota dealer in Seattle and their price was $350USD higher than the dealer 75 mi away. Of course, I went I-5 South bound and looked at several Toyota dealerships before I made my final purchase.

Pure pricing is like saturns approach for easier car buying, you see the sticker price and the potions with the car, you pay that price. No dealer mark up and such and such.

the only "discount" you may get is form a Student discount if you graduated and your school is on the qualified list for 500 off the sticker
dont forget the good old active-military discount....which depending on the dealership and model is between $500-$1200

People, people....anyone looking into buying a SCION should know that a major point in their entire marketing and sales strategy is NO negotiations on pricing. Period.

Yup..
I bought my 2006 xB today.. List price.. I tried 4 dealers and ended up going to the dealer that I had always heard good stories about.. This dealer also had the best "perks" as far as free loaner cars when service is needed, and I ended up with a "free" gas grill, too.. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick..:ugh3:


All had the same price for the car and options I wanted..

To tell you the truth, it took a lot of fun outta buying a car.. I've always enjoyed the haggling and game playing.. :naughty:

as for my dealer i work at, the 05 have a bit of a perk to them, if you buy an 05 over an 06, you get a free gift. The free gift is one of like 16 at www.scionboost.com (http://www.scionboost.com)

I haven't spoken to a Scion dealer however have bought a vehicle from another 'no negotiations' dealer. Bottom line, I wrote a check for the amount I was willing to pay, about $2,000 less than they had marked and told the salesman to go talk to whoever he had to. If they wanted to sell the truck I was willing to buy it for this amount and not a penny more. After he talked to the manager he offered me the truck for $500 more than the check. I stood up and reached across the table for my check and he took it and went back to talk to the manager again. After another go around I drove the truck home for the amount on the check. I didn't trade anything in so no numbers were played there to make me 'feel' like I had won.
When I bought my Tercel the salesman went and talked to the manager, came back and dropped it from 6k to 5k. I spread 45 $100 bills across his desk and told him that was my figure and wasn't coming off it. The manager saw this and freaked out. He acted terrified that this much cash was in his store...but didn't let me walk out!
Try the check method.

I haven't spoken to a Scion dealer however have bought a vehicle from another 'no negotiations' dealer. Bottom line, I wrote a check for the amount I was willing to pay, about $2,000 less than they had marked and told the salesman to go talk to whoever he had to. If they wanted to sell the truck I was willing to buy it for this amount and not a penny more. After he talked to the manager he offered me the truck for $500 more than the check. I stood up and reached across the table for my check and he took it and went back to talk to the manager again. After another go around I drove the truck home for the amount on the check. I didn't trade anything in so no numbers were played there to make me 'feel' like I had won.
When I bought my Tercel the salesman went and talked to the manager, came back and dropped it from 6k to 5k. I spread 45 $100 bills across his desk and told him that was my figure and wasn't coming off it. The manager saw this and freaked out. He acted terrified that this much cash was in his store...but didn't let me walk out!
Try the check method.

lol...sweet . i love this story...especially the cold hard cash

Well you see that is a good story, but as for as "pure price" goes, even if you came to a dealer that practiced "pure price" and showed us $17,515 in crisp $100 bills(including the extra $15), for a new Tc auto, and said your not going to pay any more for the car, we would nicely say, you have to pay the tax and licensing fee and the car is yours. If we were to lower the price for you, we would have to post our prices for, not just that car but for all cars(example we lower the price for a Tc, we have to lower the price for all the Tc's). If we were to lower the price for you, we would need to get the ok from our marketing manager to change the price over the internet, get an ok from our manager to even ask our merketing to do that, and we would have to wait for them to change the price online so that we could get a print out of the new price(which would take a good amount of time, not to mention days depending on how long it takes for them to change the price). All i'm trying to say is that being firm with the certain amount of money, unless you can find a dealer that will try and get around "pure price" i wouldn't even bother.

As for you being able to get around the dealer that stuck with "one pricing", that is just their "idea"(i quote idea because that is what they would LIKE to happen, so they can eliminate haggeling) of what they want to happen, but that is not them saying they WILL NOT reduce the price. Those dealers are still able to reduce the price to whatever they want, but getting around "pure price" is a bit more tricky. If you guys find a Scion dealer that doesn't go by "pure price" i would really be interested in knows which dealer does that....

Nico

NO, YOU CAN NOT HAGGLE ON SCION PRICING.

Next question?

Seriously...Scion's pricing program is one of "pure price" -- no haggling. The dealer must charge the same amount to every customer.

Hey, at least you guys get to haggle over Toyota cars. Up here, it's "Access Toyota" and basically, MSRP and all that is shown on a piece of paper attached to the window printed out from Toyota Canada's website. Kinda annoyed, since I knew what the invoice price was for my Prius (hard to find, esp. in Canadian dollars, without paying for a service). Oh well, at least I got a small discount for my accessories and service credit.

NO, YOU CAN NOT HAGGLE ON SCION PRICING.

The name of this thread is, "Can I haggle on pricing of Scion"

This is about haggling on prices for a SCION, not a Toyota.

:thumbdown Nope... No haggling allowed. I know when I bought my tC, I tried going after free oil changes from the dealership. Perks like that will make ya buy faster!

:thumbdown Nope... No haggling allowed. I know when I bought my tC, I tried going after free oil changes from the dealership. Perks like that will make ya buy faster!
Not to get off subject, but for any new Scion you buy, you get 3 free oil changes redeamable at any time

Jeez, I'm not blind, I can read you know. I was just saying in comparison you guys could haggle on a Toyota while we can't.

Not to get off subject, but for any new Scion you buy, you get 3 free oil changes redeamable at any time
Yeah I know.. but I wanted more than 3.. I got a year :whatwhat:

Yeah I know.. but I wanted more than 3.. I got a year :whatwhat:
How did you manage that? Which dealer? Was it free oil changes for a year?

How did you manage that? Which dealer? Was it free oil changes for a year?
Yep... Gotta work with what you're given. Long blonde hair and a nice ass :smokin: lol

Yep... Gotta work with what you're given. Long blonde hair and a nice ass :smokin: lolProve it:giggle:

Prove it:giggle:
Proof is in the puddin'

I got one year!:clap:

Proof is in the puddin'

I got one year!:clap:
So in other words, your making up the story, cause if you aint got proof, you aint got a year of free oil changes

So in other words, your making up the story, cause if you aint got proof, you aint got a year of free oil changes Like I said.. proof is in the puddin' :smokin:

Like I said.. proof is in the puddin' :smokin:
No, but seriously, what did you do to get the 1 free oil change. 3 free(1 every 3 months/5000 miles)=9 month so you get one more oil change free.

No, but seriously, what did you do to get the 1 free oil change. 3 free(1 every 3 months/5000 miles)=9 month so you get one more oil change free.No I get my first 3 oil changes for free, plus another year. It's really not that big of a deal, if you haggle with them and get a good deal, you might win. It was a chance I took.. Even though I would have bought the car without the perks.

Again...

YOU CAN NOT HAGGLE ON PRICE FOR A SCION

Again...

YOU CAN NOT HAGGLE ON PRICE FOR A SCION

Well yeah the way you guys brainwash people about "THis is pure pricing and what you pay here is what you pay the guy across town."

Thats b.s.

Go to Scion.com and check under "Learn Pure Price" :

Dealers are free to set their own prices

:disappoin....Intresting....

THERE IS NO HAGGLING ON SCION PRICING....PERIOD!!

A dealer MUST post their prices for a Scion and CHARGE EVERYONE THE SAME PRICE or risk losing their dealership!!!!

THERE IS NO HAGGLING!

Anyone who says you can go into a Scion dealership and "haggle" price is WRONG.

I never said I haggled the price of a Scion... I haggled for oil changes.

Every Toyota dealer who wants Scion, must sign a dealer "covenent".

It limits you to "pure pricing". Get caught not following those guidelines, and you loose a percentage of your allocation!

One of the areas of the covenent covers haggling. There is none. Scion also includes free scheduled maintenance. There is your free oil changes!

ok seriously, what's wrong with him? half of his 8 posts are the same red letters in the same thread. Anything that deals with the dealership is up to the dealership themselves such as servicing.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAGGLING ON THE PRICE OF A SCION...SO...LET ME AGAIN REPEAT FOR THE HARD OF THINKING OUT THERE....

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Oh, one more detail....Scion gives EVERYONE three free oil changes!! So, that's no big deal.

Doh!

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAGGLING ON THE PRICE OF A SCION...SO...LET ME AGAIN REPEAT FOR THE HARD OF THINKING OUT THERE....

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Oh, one more detail....Scion gives EVERYONE three free oil changes!! So, that's no big deal.

Doh!

this guy is correct (even if annoying with the red caps) in that there is NO HAGGLING on anything dealing with Scion. The covenant that the dealer signs forbids ANY incentive for someone to buy from them. This includes not only the price of the car and accessories but service as well!!!

And no you dont lose allocation....you get fined...big money, the third time you are caught you lose the FRANCHISE!!!!!!!

we dealerships get audited all the time, so a dealer will get caught.

I am not sure why there is such a discussion about this....it is what it is.

Also dont understand why anyone would complain....the product is an unbeleivable product. When you factor in the price for features....what else is needed?!?!

what else is needed?!?!
Cars... That's what's needed..
My xB has been on "order" for 7 weeks.
That's what I get for ordering something practical.. I ordered a white xB with a 5 speed.. Poop...

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Its almost like a trade off.... You get a good price for the scion but you have to wait. If you can't wait, go get a toyota and pay more for less features

You get a good price for the scion but you have to wait.
I completely agree, Sexican.. Which explains why I'm waiting.. I'm just glad I have another Toyota in the driveway (which I'm keeping)

I even offered the dealer an "out".. I told them I'd take a white auto for the same price as I'd agreed upon for the manual trans xB...:naughty:

Needless to say, I'm still waiting..

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Red Caps are annoying. Please stop it. :hammer: :ugh3:

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