Official: Celica and MR2 to be discontinued

:disappoin

http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/display_release.html?id=20040716

So the rumors have finally been put to rest...

R.I.P. Celica

R.I.P. MR2

is anything goin to take their place? that would leave a pretty big hold if there was nothin to replace them

put to rest means died.. most of the rumors were that the celica would be discontinued.. besides those outragious rumors about the celica 8th gen being all super and everything

*sigh*

Oh well, last celica convertible style made ever = even MORE resale value for me:)

but still :(

:(

Xev, the Celica was in direct market competition to Scion's Tc, and word has it they're retooling the lexus convertible to be more like the MR2... (although why I have no idea, it doesn't make that much sense to me)

No replacement for the MR2!?!?!?!


Ya right.... you guys are forgetting.....


**WW** (you may wet yourself :D)


http://www.auto-sfondi-desktop.com/Wallpapers_Lotus_/Lotus-Elise-II/Lotus-Elise-II-02/Lotus-Elise-II-02_640.jpg

..... it will never die...... MRS wasn't that great anyways.



Looks will never replace the MR2..... it's gotta be mid engine rwd.... or it's worthless.

Wish I could say otherwise but I won't miss either of them. Maybe Toyota will beirng us a real sports car that actually has some balls.

Umm..... see my previous post......

Car & Driver Issue (dont remember which one):

Elise spanks a SVT Cobra all around the track and in a strait line. It's sportin' the 2zzge.... and kicks all kinda of ass.

You've aged well, Celica.

http://wnet.suomi.net/kotisivu/kauko.greus/jasenet/celica/celica035.jpg

http://www.ameritech.net/users/trdcelica/celica-22.jpg

Good bye Toyota, hello Honda?

Honestly, Toyota has lost my business. As a die hard Celica owner and lover it makes me deeply sad that they have taken this decision.

If Toyota would just care to take their head out of their rear end they would see that young people (yeah, those same ones that would have bought a Camry in the future) want to drive powerfull cars, not fast looking-slow moving cars.
If Toyota had put the 3S-GE Beams engine in the Celica and the 2ZZ-GE on the MR-S then I would bet both my nuts that it would be Honda pulling the plug on the RSX or Subaru on the WRX :o: :disappoin
I guess what's left is to preserve my current Celica for the next 8 years and hope it becomes a classic. :(

yeah, my next car is probably going to be an S2k... even tho I hate hondas.

^ mr2 spyder cant even compete with s2k... dam
toyota lacks rwd cars/mid engines [mr], and plus i really miss the celica all trac's :(

both cars were overpriced and underpowered anyways.....

Great.... :rolleyes: ..... this is gonna turn into HondaNaiton.

Let's have a moment of silence for the Toyota models that have passed away. :sosad:

This is a sad day :(

Rip AE86

Rip AE92

Rip Supra

Rip MR2

Rip Celica

I have been a loyal Toyota Suporter since i was 5 years old. I'm now 24 yrs. old. All the cars that i liked growing up are now all dead. Damn you Toyota.

I also don't like Honda that much, but the way Toyota is killing all their fun cars, Honda will be my new fave car company if Toyota doesn't get their act together in the next few years.

If i had the money for one right now, i would get an 04 S2K. It has the new hid lights, bigger rims, spoiler and updated rear lights.

Guys, Toyota is out to make money, it's a business and that is what they do. Most young people can't afford to keep a brand new sports car.

You can't have cheap and fast, and reliable doesn't work.

As for fast cars the Corolla is one of the fastest in it's class, and with the XRS it should be at the top of the "performance compacts"

Market trends have resulted in these changes. It's sad know, but we won't get sports cars back until people stop buying SUVs and actually demand a real sports car.

honestly i didn't like the celica when they made it fwd i lost my love for them completely cause those were fun to drive and lose control with...i was able to drift in a 80 celica st (stock)cause of all it's tourqe but all these new ones were castrated

i owned a first gen mr2 once and it was sweet i loved that car and it made an impression on me but recently i drove the mrs and it also was castrated so i say go bye to my dream cars

but the supra did not deserve what they did to it and as for the corolla hopefully the make a "special edition" that is rwd and fun to be in...

but that's all a dream:( unless some of you artist start sending them ideas;)

Hm... So what does that leave us then?

A: Camry/Solara
B: Mythical A9 Supra

Fuck. If I wanted a Camry coupe, I'd just get a SW20.

so now other than the tc, toyota has nothing that evens resembles a "sports" car... i hope they don't turn into buick

wtf. unfortunately that sick ass car in the pic is a lotus. uh, is toyota blind. BUILD A REPLICA OF THE LOTUS ELISE GOD DAMN IT!!!. you make the f***ing 2zz engines. all you need is a small aluminum chassis and BAM sell them babies for 35-40k. i know i'd rather buy a toyota than a lotus, even if they're the same car. mabye i'm hoping for a little too much.

a moment of silence for two great cars, bastardized in their final years. :disappoin :(

yeah, toyota keeps bitching about their age demographic being to old, well WTF is this supposed to prove?

*conversation at toyota marketing*
wow, wish we could lower our age demographic.

yeah.

hey i know, lets get rid of the two name plates that the 18-27 age braket have any attraction to!

thats a great idea!

ooh, and we can start making "sport versions" of our family sedans.

*stupid toyota people

toyota really needed to bring back the greatness of its early 90's sports cars. come on, the supra, turbo mr2, GT4 celica. what the crap happened?

Understand what Toyota''s point is. Most of the people in that age group cannot buy these cars. They cannot keep building cars that are essentially a financial loss to them. Laws of business do not dictate that. Do they??? Toyota will be incorporating more sportiness and upscale feel in it''s other sedan models like IS300. The market for two door coupes has been diminishing steadily since the 90s Acura is also planning to discontinue the RSX Type S next year (they already eliminated the 2 door CL Type S) and they are moving to four door sedans as well to appeal to a wider range of customers.

if they dont make money, then why is the celica almost 30 years old? if they dont make money, why did they make the mr2 for 20?

at some point these cars are making money, that time was when the cars were cheaper, if theyd lower the price, which they could do...sales would probably perk up

Well if they had seen a big market for two door coupes, they could have brought the production cost down by atleast $5000 if they had moved the manufacturing to Canada or US ( Corolla XRS is being built in Ontario with the same engine, but costs $9000 less). They did not do that because it is the insurance companies that have grown tougher thousand time more over the last odd 10-15 years because of growing irresponsible driving on the part of Civic, Integra and Celica drivers etc. Celica costs a fortune to insure so do other two door sport coupes.

I never lie, althlough the MR2 caught me off gaurd although I can say I'm not surprised.

Steve, yeah the Celica and MR did make Toyota money, but face it, with what Mitsu, Subura, Honduh and BMW taking it to Toyota, sales in for these two cars have slumped dramatically.

Wow and I reported this back in Dec 03

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27072

Originally posted by andyman61
wtf. unfortunately that sick ass car in the pic is a lotus. uh, is toyota blind. BUILD A REPLICA OF THE LOTUS ELISE GOD DAMN IT!!!. you make the f***ing 2zz engines. all you need is a small aluminum chassis and BAM sell them babies for 35-40k. i know i'd rather buy a toyota than a lotus, even if they're the same car. mabye i'm hoping for a little too much.

a moment of silence for two great cars, bastardized in their final years. :disappoin :(


Toyota originally got the MR2 design from Lotus. It's the same damn car..... MKIV MR2 if you ask me :)

They are not shutting down the production of these two cars. They will just not be available in US/Canada.

Originally posted by silver04rollas
They are not shutting down the production of these two cars. They will just not be available in US/Canada.

That is exactly right... But there have been a few roumers lately that they were going to stop selling the MR2 and Celica in the US in favour of the Volta (which according to Toyota Australia, is looking at being mass produced).. but then again, everyone said there was going to be a MKV Supra... turns out the leaked drawings were just ideas for the Volta...

Who knows What Toyota is thinking... Maybe they have a preverbial full-house that they are just keeping close to their chests? Maybe the US Market will see the revival of new and better sports cars in the near future?

In the meantime though, Australians will just have to live with being 1-2 years behind you.. :disappoin

NO MR2..?!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..!!

Toyota needs a new plan, FAST..

do what Chrystler did, turbo one of your cheapest priced cars, and sell it for a (relitively low) price...

Srt-4/Civic Si/Saturn Ion Redline fighter..? Turbo Corolla...

Revise the old JZZ30 (Lexus SC300/Toyota Soarer) chassis, and drop a boosted I-6 in it...

that'll make it an Srt-6/M3/S4 fighter...

(actually, that'd make it an MKIV supra, but shhhhhh dont tell anyone)

Make a large coupe like the BMW 6-Series/Mercedes CL-Class...
offer it in drop top form, and put in a V-8...

M6/AMG CL fighter....

now, for a twist, offer AWD on a shortened Camry Chassis, and turbo it...

Evo/STI fighter..?

come on Toyota, you have the money and the know-how, if you cant give us REAL sports cars, give us REAL competitors in the factory performance car market...

*crosses fingers for a chaser* :D

man, the loss of 2 sports cars in the Toyota family could be a devastating move for the future.

but hey, if they've got the "stuff" under the hood to make a good performance car, all they need is a chassis and body, right? How bout we compile a few new designs for a possible Toyota sports car (i.e. sketches, photochops, etc.)?? C'mon Razo...I know you'll be up to this.

Originally posted by Talisman18
*crosses fingers for a chaser* :D
:D :D :D
But the Chaser's already been discontinued for a couple years. It's the Verossa now, the butt-ugly Korean-like thing. Still got a 1JZ, but DAMN, it's ugly


Rip AE86

Rip AE92

Rip Supra

Rip MR2

Rip Celica

I have been a loyal Toyota Suporter since i was 5 years old. I'm now 24 yrs. old. All the cars that i liked growing up are now all dead. Damn you Toyota.

RIP Cressida

... it was already dead over here by the time I started supporting it and by the time my family got one ('94) :(

Originally posted by repinS
:D :D :D
But the Chaser's already been discontinued for a couple years. It's the Verossa now, the butt-ugly Korean-like thing. Still got a 1JZ, but DAMN, it's ugly


Ahh, okay, I see. I saw a verossa in this movie about Drifitng. I was wondering what the hell it was? This one was all kitted up though so it didn't look too bad.

If there is no Chaser though, I really don't even care. :disappoin

F*ck it, my next car is gonna be a Volvo. Toyota sucks. :thumbdown

hehe razo, isn't the echo getting a turbo? ... those turbo swifts were the shit!!!

Yeah, but it is probably for the best. They were both kinda going down hill. And salse were pretty bad.
Toyota has been moving away from Performance though.


Here's another article on it click me! (http://sportivoconcepts.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8&mode=&order=0&thold=0) (I don't know if this is the same one Will posted)


And for the person who mentioned the replica Elise, I am working on the idea right now;)

Originally posted by Nick
hehe razo, isn't the echo getting a turbo? ... those turbo swifts were the shit!!!


Turbo swifts and sprints were cool as fuck..:)


but, here in the US, we have SCION, so the echo's probably gonna remain an eco car only..:(

but hey, am i the only one that wants to see a 240 hp turbo 6 speed corolla..?

I am not surprised.

Check this, not but a month ago I asked how much a Celica would be to lease from a salesman at a local Toyota dealership. He said it wouldn't matter because they don't even have Celica's on the lot anymore.

He was head over heels though pricing me on Camry's

Originally posted by Razo-E

but hey, am i the only one that wants to see a 240 hp turbo 6 speed corolla..?

Like I said.... I'm working on it ;)

*Hit me up online man, I need to run it by you :)

If Honda/Acura can have the S2000 (which was just redesigned!), RSX, and the NSX.

If Nissan/Infiniti can have the 350Z and G35 Coupe.

If Subaru can have the STI...and WRX, and TURBO'S and MANUAL tranny's in all their cars.

If Mitsubishi can have the EVO VIII (which is financially the only great car they have)

If Mazda can offer the Miata, TURBO Miata, and the new RX-8 (which is being reviewed as awesome)

Then why doesn't Toyota offer something!? They are becoming the odd man out, and I am not liking it. If something new and cool came along, I would be all for it, but with this, they are going to loose me to another company. I would love a RX-8 or a WRX.

Sorry Toyota, you need to give us something or we will leave :(

Originally posted by kenratboy
If Honda/Acura can have the S2000 (which was just redesigned!), RSX, and the NSX.

If Nissan/Infiniti can have the 350Z and G35 Coupe.

If Subaru can have the STI...and WRX, and TURBO'S and MANUAL tranny's in all their cars.

If Mitsubishi can have the EVO VIII (which is financially the only great car they have)

If Mazda can offer the Miata, TURBO Miata, and the new RX-8 (which is being reviewed as awesome)

Then why doesn't Toyota offer something!? They are becoming the odd man out, and I am not liking it. If something new and cool came along, I would be all for it, but with this, they are going to loose me to another company. I would love a RX-8 or a WRX.

Sorry Toyota, you need to give us something or we will leave :(

:werd:

a turbo corolla will be fine to me, cheaper insurance b/c it's 4 doors sedan:)

Arg.... we've still got the IS. I don't care about all this FWD crap.... as long as their still putting something with the back wheels spinning that isn't a truck.... I'll be happy.

IS300 with a 2jzgte swap and a 6spd tranny..... yummy.

Scion tC===> t oyota C elica

Thats what one of my buddies told me last night over beer

its been theorized.

but it doesn't matter if tC stands for toyota celica or not- the celica wasn't selling well, and they wanted to make room for the scion tC

One of the reasons they might be doing it is Lexus is breaking off a new division. They are going to be starting an "AMG" like line of cars. Once geared to ward major performance along with the normal luxury that comes with buying a Lexus.

Most of us can't afford a Lexus as it is.... how are we going to if they start an "AMG" type of thing.

Couldn't tell you. But then again, most of us aren't going to buy a new car either. So it really doesn't matter to them. They plan for selling new cars. The used car market means nothing to them.

But they will be coming out with some sweet cars. I can't wait :)

Get used to your local dealer type trying to sell you an Echo as the 'truly sporty side of Toyota...race bread design, handling power etc'. I actually had a salesman try that on me recently...I laughed, he looked puzzled, I mentioned I had a Supra as my sports vehicle. I just wanted the daily driver econo box, and hence I was looking at Echos. The conversation ended shortly there after...guess they save the economy and value and features sales pitch for the ladies.

Bob

toyota is really starting to piss me off....I like the TC but damn they need more then one 2 door sport car. Prob waiting to release more hybrids or a station wagon!

WAGONS RULE!!!!!!!


I don't see how you guys can get mad.... They aren't making cars for the used car population. They are making what sells. There is a reason they made $11billion dollars. Because they know what sells. Why would they care what someone might buy 5 years from now from a family member?

It just doesn't matter to them what we want to see. Most of us just look at these new cars anyways. So why does it matter so much?

Exactly....

How many of us drive a car that is less than 5 years old??? I bet it is probably only like 2% of the people on TN. I would fall under that catagory.... but I realized that the mkii mr2 kicked the shit out of the new one.... so I got that instead.

There was a small blurb in this month's Car and Driver that Toyota is comming out with an AWD sports car to replace the MR2 that will be driven by a hybrid engine sourced from the RX330 hybrid.
Has anyone else heard about this? Sounds like a rumor, but it was printed in C&D for what it's worth.

You're not talking about the Volta are you ???

Originally posted by Razo-E
NO MR2..?!?


now, for a twist, offer AWD on a shortened Camry Chassis, and turbo it...

Evo/STI fighter..?





Holy Bejebus Batman! thats a freakin awesome idea, but Sportvio should do it witha gen3 coupe.

i see an uber-charged 3sgte rally dominating camry.....

/drool

Originally posted by ishcoleobo
You're not talking about the Volta are you ??? :confused: Dunno, I said what they said in Car & Driver...

like this....
http://www.moteurnature.com/zvisu/2004/geneve/toyota-volta.jpg

I'd buy one if they release it. :D

The Volta would not even be close to inexpensive.

There is always the X-Runner if you don't mind owning a truck. :dunno:

I am sure Toyota will come out with something within the next couple of years but I won't really care. Like I said, I have my eyes on the new Volvo S40. 6 speed + awd + luxury +turbo 5 cylinder = bad@ss :thumbup: And all for under 30k

I hate Toyota for what they are doing but i see it this way

Lexus is gonna start their SPort package line soon
and Toyota's sell only to the FAMILY kinda guys
so get rid of all the Toyota sports cars and reintroduce them soon under the SCION badge which is geared towards younger ppl

but if Toyota was still selling celica's, NO one would by the tc or lets say MR2 with a scion badge

personally i think celica and mr2 will come back under SCION and Supra will be under Lexus

but it still sucks cause it wont have the same name and Its all bout the Toyota badge

Originally posted by RedruM
I hate Toyota for what they are doing but i see it this way...

but if Toyota was still selling celica's, NO one would by the tc or lets say MR2 with a scion badge

personally i think celica and mr2 will come back under SCION and Supra will be under Lexus

but it still sucks cause it wont have the same name and Its all bout the Toyota badge

Yeah, no. ^ If you haven't yet seen the numbers, the sales for the current Gen MR2s were crap! There's a reason they are discontinuing the model.

And none of the previous cars are coming back. The engines in them might be reused, but the chassis and build are different. That's entirely different than re-badging.

And you guys really need to wake up. Toyota has never been a sports car company. If you haven't noticed the trend, every sports car Toyota has ever come out with has been discontinued due to low sales.

Toyota is doing the smart thing and moving towards being more of a luxury brand. And they are selling to the people who will buy cars. Not to the kids who like to look at them.


Along with that, you need to stop claiming you love Toyota if the second they do something you don't like, you turn on them with talk of how you "hate them." Be proud of the company. They are making smart moves and it is obviously paying off for them.




Talisman: Sab 9-2X;) Turbo charged flat four. AWD with a 5-speed manual. But it makes up for it with it's AWD technology (based off the WRX platform) Although it beats out the WRX wagon, BMW 325i Wagon, and VW Passat GLX V6 4Motion in every catagory :) (if you don't mind paying a little over $30k) Check it out man. It's pretty sick :thumbup:

Originally posted by Chris Corolla S
There was a small blurb in this month's Car and Driver that Toyota is comming out with an AWD sports car to replace the MR2 that will be driven by a hybrid engine sourced from the RX330 hybrid.
Has anyone else heard about this? Sounds like a rumor, but it was printed in C&D for what it's worth.

It is a roumer... That roumer is relating to the Volta (which is expected to be produced as early as 2007), and that Toyota will not be releasing any more cars into the US until this time. At least thats what i heard.

the only way that volta would come to the US would be as a Lexus SC replacement...

Keep in mind Toyota's mindset here was quality over power, since its first car in the US was so bad it pulled out the market because of bad rep. Now that they're #3 in sales in the US, they're moving to Ford's old business strategy, start people out in a Ford (Scion=low price), move up to a Mercury (Toyota) when they're into family mode, then retire into a Lincoln (Lexus). Smart strategy, since the current trend is to buy a car based on your demographic identity.

Okay I was waiting till I get some more info and hopefully atleast some rough sketches but I might as well post this now.

I can tell you this, and its not a rumor... we will be getting a new sports car and it will be a hybrid, roughly the size of the current Solara and tC, and a V6, if you haven't seen my articles on the Prius GT (http://sportivoconcepts.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5&mode=&order=0&thold=0) and Toyota USA racing the prius (http://sportivoconcepts.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6&mode=&order=0&thold=0), its a good short read.

England will also be getting the beefed up sports hybrid as well.....

As usual as things develop I will report it back to "The SC (http://sportivoconcepts.com)" and you guys.

Originally posted by kenratboy
If Honda/Acura can have the S2000 (which was just redesigned!), RSX, and the NSX.
If Nissan/Infiniti can have the 350Z and G35 Coupe.
If Subaru can have the STI...and WRX, and TURBO'S and MANUAL tranny's in all their cars.
If Mitsubishi can have the EVO VIII (which is financially the only great car they have)
If Mazda can offer the Miata, TURBO Miata, and the new RX-8 (which is being reviewed as awesome)
Then why doesn't Toyota offer something!? They are becoming the odd man out, and I am not liking it. If something new and cool came along, I would be all for it, but with this, they are going to loose me to another company. I would love a RX-8 or a WRX.
Sorry Toyota, you need to give us something or we will leave :(

Toyota USA sells every vehicle it makes and posted a BILLION $$ PROFIT for FY04. Why make a sports car? All the other makes you quote SUCK at making a profit yet they produce so called 'cool' cars.

Toyota is a business plain and simple that exists to make money for the shareholder, not to please a very small minority of 18-30 yr olds that want sports cars.

By the way in 2002 I personally had lunch with the president of Toyota North America's manufacturing organization and asked him when a true sports car such as the Supra would return to the USA. His answer?

"Americans like to look and drive sports cars...but they do not want to buy them"

Case closed.....:D

Now that VOlt is badass and yes I do drive new vehicles all the time Im just saying why not improve on cars that are known in the world with the toyota seal, and add more cars as well. Im just upset because they never even tried the MRs with a performance package worth of the past 3sgte.....and I really liked that body style with that apexi kit on it!

Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6
Talisman: Sab 9-2X;) Turbo charged flat four. AWD with a 5-speed manual. But it makes up for it with it's AWD technology (based off the WRX platform) Although it beats out the WRX wagon, BMW 325i Wagon, and VW Passat GLX V6 4Motion in every catagory :) (if you don't mind paying a little over $30k) Check it out man. It's pretty sick :thumbup:

2 reasons I wouldn't get that car:

1. It's still just a WRX to me. I have always liked Saab because it was original. That car isn't.

2. I don't like the fact it's a wagon.

Originally posted by gti5notrkt
Toyota USA sells every vehicle it makes and posted a BILLION $$ PROFIT for FY04. Why make a sports car? All the other makes you quote SUCK at making a profit yet they produce so called 'cool' cars.

Toyota is a business plain and simple that exists to make money for the shareholder, not to please a very small minority of 18-30 yr olds that want sports cars.

By the way in 2002 I personally had lunch with the president of Toyota North America's manufacturing organization and asked him when a true sports car such as the Supra would return to the USA. His answer?

"Americans like to look and drive sports cars...but they do not want to buy them"

Case closed.....:D

:werd:

according to my dealer, and I heard this about 6 months ago. The MR2 and the Celica will be seen again in a while under the Scion label.

Reason beings is it said that the Scion is aimed at the younger market. People that want to do something to their cars.

Don't frett.. Toyota is stretching themselves out along all markets be it in the Scion, Toyota, or Lexus brands

Originally posted by gti5notrkt
"Americans like to look and drive sports cars...but they do not want to buy them"

Case closed.....:D

one of the reasons why the Camaro/Firebird was killed off... MANY loved it, nobody bought it.

Anyone find this statement stupid?

"The Celica and MR2 have been a favorite amongst sports car enthusiasts since their introductions in the U.S.,"..."The past few years, however, have been very challenging for both Celica and MR2 as competition in a segment where 'what's new' dominates and we continue to add more exciting and youthful products to the lineup such as the Matrix and Corolla XRS, Solara sports coupe and recently the Scion xA, xB and tC."

So they're replacing their sports cars with yuppymatic boxes under the scion label? I've seen more brand new celicas than those piece of trash plastic scion vans. The sedan may be better but the vans look so horrible.

Yea, lets see which of those compares to celica, mr2 or supra... oh thats right none!

^ Well.... I think the Solara and the tC are better than the Celica.... the newest one anyways. Back in the day when they were AWD sportin a 3sgte.... then they didn't compare.

Nothing will ever match the MR2 or the Supra in the Toyota lineup unless they release the Volta. Which still... doens't really compare to the Supra. The Supra will never come back.... and as for a Midengine 2 seater.... I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by ishcoleobo
Toyota originally got the MR2 design from Lotus. It's the same damn car..... MKIV MR2 if you ask me :)

This is a myth. Lotus only tuned the suspension.

The truth is here:

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Intro.htm

- John

I don't understand why Toyota is so hot on the Corolla XRS. It has the same damn engine as the other models (1ZZ-FE). It's almost as if it's factory ricing.

I agree though that the Tc is probably built to continue on the Celica legacy. Though I'd like to see them do a "GTS" model with a G head engine. Right now it looks like a milder, cheaper, Celica.

Mid-Engined cars don't sell too well. The MR2 has always been lukewarm. Acura still has the NSX, but with the insane pricetag, they can afford to keep limited production open.

- John

Originally posted by Kensuke
I don't understand why Toyota is so hot on the Corolla XRS. It has the same damn engine as the other models (1ZZ-FE). It's almost as if it's factory ricing.
- John

It has the 2ZZ-GE

Originally posted by Flakknight
Anyone find this statement stupid?

"The Celica and MR2 have been a favorite amongst sports car enthusiasts since their introductions in the U.S.,"..."The past few years, however, have been very challenging for both Celica and MR2 as competition in a segment where 'what's new' dominates and we continue to add more exciting and youthful products to the lineup such as the Matrix and Corolla XRS, Solara sports coupe and recently the Scion xA, xB and tC."

So they're replacing their sports cars with yuppymatic boxes under the scion label? I've seen more brand new celicas than those piece of trash plastic scion vans. The sedan may be better but the vans look so horrible.

Yea, lets see which of those compares to celica, mr2 or supra... oh thats right none!

The tC is actually faster and more nimble than the Celica ever was, even though the TRD S/C at 5psi boosts it to 200hp, imagine what kinda tuning can be done. Imagine what you can do at 10 or 15, or slpping on a turbo oe twin turbo would do.

for those who didn't know all the scions are in limited production, with tC being only at 100,000. What Toyota philsophy for Scion is to make stay one step ahead of the current trends and then set new ones. for the 06 model years we will be seeing a new line-up of cars for scion.

They are trying to make the Scion brand every tuners (cosmetically and performance) dream come true. Scion has alot of potential as long as Toyota does not drop the ball on these.

The "what new" is currently pushing all the other automotive segments to the side. Honestly, how many ppl would sit around tuning an old muscle car now-a-days, just mainly us old heads. C'mon look at this forum... even though its a Toyota based forum, alot of ppl are talking about getting Hondas, Acuras Volvos, BMW and all the other whats new whats hot cars out there like the Mitsus and Suburas out there. Toyota while making the brand Scion will be going up against those cars and the sport compact performance side.

the xA and xB was only introduce to the US because they needed a car quickly to sell and get into the market, and it was easy to take a car that is hot in Japan and sells well and convert it to LHD then design and build a whole new car. The tC which is only available here in the US was designed specifically for this. while the new 06 models will also be unquie to Scion only along with the new Lexus models when Lexus is introduce worldwide.

BTW the xB has mad room and can fit ppl comfortably while still being able to haul alot of stuff.

While you may not see Scions on the roads there, trust me there is alot of them on the roads.... hell one dealership I am partnering up with to bring NYC/LI enthusiast together and more events and everything else had 4 tCs 10 xBs and 3 xAs come in and off the truck... I watched with my own eyes, and while I was there they sold bascially everything there. There is only 1 tC 5spd, 3 xBs and 0 xAs left on the lot by the time I left, plus I witnessed some others coming in with their orders off of Scion.com to get their ride customized the way they want it.

Now you have to admit, that is some smart thinking on Toyotas part to allow buyers to get the car exactly the way they want it with out all the hassle of this dealer is more than this dealer. With True Pricing it saves alot of hassle and headaches, and the way Scion is set-up you can truly get your ride to suit the way you want it instead of being stuck with whatever the dealer has on the lot.

Originally posted by Talisman18
It has the 2ZZ-GE

I stand corrected.

- John

Still sad. I liked the MR2's....cute and sporty. And enough room to fit my legs in! I'm gonna miss 'em. :sosad:

When a Corolla has a 170 HP engine that does a 0-60 in 7 secs and 15.5 sec quarter mile right out of the factory with sport tuned suspension, it is bound to be hot.


Originally posted by Kensuke
I don't understand why Toyota is so hot on the Corolla XRS. It has the same damn engine as the other models (1ZZ-FE). It's almost as if it's factory ricing.

- John

Originally posted by Sportivo Concepts
The tC is actually faster and more nimble than the Celica ever was, even though the TRD S/C at 5psi boosts it to 200hp, imagine what kinda tuning can be done. Imagine what you can do at 10 or 15, or slpping on a turbo oe twin turbo would do.


Are you just comparing it to the Base model Celica? It's definitely slower than a GTS and as far as I am concerned its handling is pretty average. The Celica outhandles it stock for stock. I have driven a tC and I was pretty dissapointed in it's body roll and subpar handling. It only pulled .81g's in Car and Driver. The only reason I think the tC is better than the Celica is because you can add the supercharger and TRD suspension with better tires and still save Thousands over a GTS which then would be slower, less practical, and now not have the upper hand in the handling department.

No, he is comparing a supercharged TC with a stock Celica GT-S. He is right in that respect. Although, Celica GT-S and even Corolla XRS is a lot faster than a stock TC. (A TRD official in Toronto unofficially said that a 2ZZ GE supercharger being developed at TRD)



Originally posted by Talisman18
Are you just comparing it to the Base model Celica? It's definitely slower than a GTS and as far as I am concerned its handling is pretty average. The Celica outhandles it stock for stock. I have driven a tC and I was pretty dissapointed in it's body roll and subpar handling. It only pulled .81g's in Car and Driver. The only reason I think the tC is better than the Celica is because you can add the supercharger and TRD suspension with better tires and still save Thousands over a GTS which then would be slower, less practical, and now not have the upper hand in the handling department.

Originally posted by Talisman18
Are you just comparing it to the Base model Celica? It's definitely slower than a GTS and as far as I am concerned its handling is pretty average. The Celica outhandles it stock for stock.

The Celica GT-S goes 0-60mph in 7.2 sec, which is only .2 seconds faster than a Scion tC's 7.4 sec. The Celica also only did .82g of lateral acceleration, which is only .01g more than a tC. The front suspension of both cars is the same, but the rear suspension is different. The Celica has double wishbone for the rear, while the tC has a multilink setup.

To be honest, the Celica and MR2 Spyder were never real performers. The Celica should've had the black top 3S-GE with 210hp, rear-wheel drive, and the 6-speed from the Altezza. The low-end torque is horrible too. At least Honda listened to their customers and stroked S2000's engine to 2.2L for more low-end. Sorry, but I could never buy a Honda. The steering wheel never goes up high enough, so I steer with my knees. :disappoin

My main gripe about the MR2 Spyder is it's looks. It's too ... bubbley. What happened to the sharp, masculine lines of the MKII? Overall, I think the body design doesn't flow well at all. Veilside's kit helped it out, but those lights are like bulging eyeballs. And most people don't like to see bulging eyes.

And since Scion's test bed was California, I see them everywhere. They're all over the place, especially the xB. Honda has been especially watchful of Scion's success. Like Honda, however, don't expect to see any rear-wheel drive cars at Scion or Toyota. Lexus handles those matters. Yet, Scion will win a lot of the younger buyers by price, quality, and customization/personalization. Toyota is keeping the tC on order only status to see how well it really sells. The only dealership to actually have more than 1 or 2 tC's is Longo Toyota, which is the largest Toyota dealership in the U.S. What parent would want to get their kid a new BMW or Lexus right after high school? Yeah, I know there are some that do, but the majority of parents don't.

Speaking of Lexus, at least the IS isn't getting axed. It's actually getting more trims and a more powerful 245hp 3.0L V6. The IS350GT gets the 270-300hp, rumored hp figures, 3.5L V6.

So, what sells here in America? BIG trucks and family sedans. I mean the top 3 selling vehicles were trucks. 4th? The Camry. I think Toyota and Nissan want a share of that lucrative full-size truck market.

Sports cars are a minority in terms of sales, and companies can only take a loss for so long. Toyota could continue making the Celica and MR2, but why offset Camry and Corolla sales profit with losses?

Toyota is moving towards greener, meaner cars. More power, less emissions. Look for more hybrids in the next 10 years.

Jason

Originally posted by 91MR2quickNA

And since Scion's test bed was California, I see them everywhere. They're all over the place, especially the xB. Honda has been especially watchful of Scion's success. Like Honda, however, don't expect to see any rear-wheel drive cars at Scion or Toyota. Lexus handles those matters. Yet, Scion will win a lot of the younger buyers by price, quality, and customization/personalization. Toyota is keeping the tC on order only status to see how well it really sells. The only dealership to actually have more than 1 or 2 tC's is Longo Toyota, which is the largest Toyota dealership in the U.S. What parent would want to get their kid a new BMW or Lexus right after high school? Yeah, I know there are some that do, but the majority of parents don't.


Actually the local dealership here had 3 tC's(maybe more) on the lot when I went and that was the first week they were on sale.

For the ppl that say the Celica and MR2 sales hereand that toyota is stupid for dropping them, well here are the actual numbers released by TMC

Model - Year - Sales
Celica - 2000 - 52,406
Celica 2003 - 14,856

MR2 - 2000 - 7,233
MR2 - 2003 - 2,934

I think these numbers justify Toyota Dropping both these models, as well as the third Car in the Gensis Project started in 99 the ECHO.

Originally posted by andyman61
wtf. unfortunately that sick ass car in the pic is a lotus. uh, is toyota blind. BUILD A REPLICA OF THE LOTUS ELISE GOD DAMN IT!!!. you make the f***ing 2zz engines. all you need is a small aluminum chassis and BAM sell them babies for 35-40k. i know i'd rather buy a toyota than a lotus, even if they're the same car. mabye i'm hoping for a little too much.

a moment of silence for two great cars, bastardized in their final years. :disappoin :(

Yeah, but Lotus is only planning on selling about 2.5K a year here.... something that Toyota is really not looking forward in doing.

The only good side I can see out of this is that Toyota is planning to bring something better to replace the Celi/MR-2.

You know this is going to happen, it's the question of when and by how things look now, it'll happen within 1-2 years.

wow, i didnt realize sales had dropped so much.

i think the problem was that there wasnt a market for the cars, i think the problem was the cars werent attractive enough to get people in them. with the last gens of these cars, there has always been something much better competing with it.

i think toyota should have tried one more generation with these cars, kind of a return to its roots type thing, and see what happens. whats the worse that could happen? the largest japanese auto company looses a couple million? i think they could stand the risk, if it meant the possiblity of renewed interest in there cars.

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Originally posted by EKam
The only good side I can see out of this is that Toyota is planning to bring something better to replace the Celi/MR-2.

You know this is going to happen, it's the question of when and by how things look now, it'll happen within 1-2 years.

The MR2 will come back. It's the only unique car Toyota makes, IMO. It's like it's here for 5 years, gone for another 5 years. 1990-1995, 2000-2005. So in 2010, we'll see a MR2, but what'll be under the engine compart. hood will be a mystery (hybrid? fuel cell?).

As for the Celica, I dunno. That's one of their oldest model lines, but I guess times have changed. I do think Toyota will bring something in to replace it. It'll probably be bigger and have a V6 as an option, kinda like the Eclipse or Tiburon. I, for one, don't really have an appeal for high-revving 4 cylinder engines. I'd rather have all of the power sooner and be able to feel it (with all the torque).

Jason

Originally posted by 91MR2quickNA
The MR2 will come back. It's the only unique car Toyota makes, IMO. It's like it's here for 5 years, gone for another 5 years. 1990-1995, 2000-2005. So in 2010, we'll see a MR2, but what'll be under the engine compart. hood will be a mystery (hybrid? fuel cell?).

Jason

The sole reason why the MR2 production was put on hold was so that it could be apart of the Genesis Project, which was to launched three youth-oriented projects in 1999 (Celica, MR2 Spyder and ECHO), and helps guide future product and marketing plans aimed at younger car buyers. And then with the anticipation of the launch of the Matrix, Toyota was considering ways to take the genesis effort to the next level, including marketing a sub group of vehicles to specific buyers.

And all of this was basically aimed at creating Scion which Toyota aims specially to the youth of today and tomorrow and to set the trends of the future.

i posted this on TO.com when i first heard about it.. its sad that toyota cant think of anything to give us other than the tC and the "Volta" ... these old guys think that since the economy is getting old that they should build older cars for an older market.. when actually if you look at it... the younger market is buying more and more cars from the older generations ... why because they are affordable, sporty , and are actually nicer than these peices of plastic they are trying to sell now... Supra... great car... famous for its power and sporty looks... hell here in columbia im seeing more and more boxy gens (i think its the 2nd gens but not sure on the supra gens) than i am 93-98 gens.... that means since toyota stopped making them... and less and less ppl are taking care of them... they are seasing to exist.... so we are having to go older and older to try and revive our pasion for the cars we love... the celica... i see more and more early 90s models than i do anything... why... because they are NICER than the newer ones (atleast i think so), they are more powerful, AND CHEAPER.. MR2... ive been searching for a decent mr2 for years now... since before i bought my tercel... i cant find one in my price range... mainly because there are some modified and then there are some that are just so beat up and not takin care of they just arent wrth buying and then spending the money on to fix... ive actually started looking at MKI's now which i orginally didnt want because i wanted a little bit sleaker body style.... but thats what toyota doesnt understand... they are all old farts who dont understand what anyone wants... i dont think they have actually taken the time to research in different countrys that they sell their cars to see what market wants what...

the reason they didnt bring the echo/vitz hatch to the states is because the echo coupe and sedan didnt sell well... well look why... the united states is buying more and more piece of shit suvs than they want extremely small sedans that are no bigger than my 2 DOOR tercel.... which if they would have kept manufacturin could have competed with the civic (IMO)

and now the reason they are stoping the mr2 and celi is because they ARNT SELLING WELL I FUCKIN WONDER WHY look at your competion...

Honda's offerings:
Civic SI
S2k

both with speed at a cheep price

Acura's offerings:
RSX

only one which from what i read here is also being discontinued after only a few years probably because they want to much

Nissan's offerings:
Sentra SE-R
350 Z
Sentra R

now the sentras are offered at a decent price but ofcourse the 350 is steep it is a sports car

toyota doesnt seem smart enough to me (a dedicated toyota owner and fan) to do like alot of you suggest and drop their more powerful engines in to there new models to make the price wrth paying.... what they need is someone who can point them to our boards ... all of them that are dedicated toyota boards and show them what a TOYOTA can be capable of... and they need to start thinking more logically.... i have many friends that have tocomas... and they are droping chevy engines in them.... why... because they are extremely similar and more powerful... now why cant toyota do something like they do over in japan... in japan the cavalier is a toyota... why cant chevy and toyota calaberate on something over here in the states like they do over there... that way they have the finacle backing of a domestic engineer but the actual engineering of a japanese engine!? why ........

im done spilling my guts... i know i probably didnt make much since... i sometimes dont when i just spill my guts like that but thats my opinion on this matter

I agree with alot of what has been said here, but I also think that a big reason the sales for celica have gone down over the past few years is the stupid styling moves they have made. If you look at the first gen, second gen, and third gen celicas, they were for the most part easily discernible as a celica, or at least as being different from other cars out there on the road. If you look at the 86 and up models, they started becoming more bland and looking alot more like every other car in their class. I mean hell, to John Q. Public who doesn't know anything about cars except that he would like a compact, sporty car, there was nothing to really set the celica apart in terms of style in the later years. If you look at one as a person who doesn't know much about cars, they are very similar to like the eclipse, talon, tiburon, etc. Yes, I know that people on this forum would not have any problems telling the difference, but people here aren't your average everyday moron that is out looking for a car. So, if John Q. sees a car that looks virtually the same to him as all those others, then he has to start thinking about what the rest of the equation is, and that means price and warranty and all that, and lets face it, at least in later years, other manufacturers are coming up with better warranties and stuff than the average Toyota warranty.

Anyhow, my opinion is that Toyota kinda killed celica by making look more and more like everything else instead of distinctive =/

I have heard rumors that Toyota plans on bringing back the Supra and even the 2000GT with a V-10 to butt heads with Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc...

^^i've heard rumours the Leafs might actually win the cup one of these days too......:lol:

theres always supra rumours...until u hear it from toyota directly...then they are all just that.....

About the Supra........we all need to realize its not going to happen

Also, do we REALLY want it to happen? If they did make a new one it'd likely be a disgrace compared to the MKIV.

Even if it is great like the Mk IV, it will probably be like it in the sense that the sales will be crap.

Because it will be so expensive that the people like us that are interested in it will never afford it, and the people with that kind of money (50 grandish) will not by a toyota over something lese in that range like an M3 or a ZO6 Vette, etc, which have more luxury and/or performance history behind the brand than Toyota does.

I had went into my local Toyota dealership recently (There's some good news)...... I had asked the principal dealer about bringing a new Celica or a new Tacoma in for me. I ended up hearing a good luck and watch him walk away. I had talked to a salesman that I have worked with before from the dealership and he told me it's hard to find EITHER of those vehicles anywhere. They can't get them from the factory (I guess a back order.), and at the auctions which they go to EVERY WEEK they are few and far between.

Another part about moving the celica over to the Scion line...... I can't help but get frustrated about it. I live in eastern Canada and they are only selling them in the opposite corner of the continent with plans to expand through the southern states and then eventually through all of the US.

Now it looks like the Toyota's that I am interested in are out of my price range, too much of a hassel to get, or something that isn't what I'm looking for. Right, I want to see an Echo and a Rio line up. I'm not really interested in the racing scene, but I want a car that will get me from 0-60 in a weekend. Look back 10 years ago, what did they have? The Tercel. Not saying it was a great car, but I could drive one without chewing on my knee caps.

I have to agree, I am frustrated with Toyota, but until something is done about thier vehicles and line up, maybe bring Scion to Canada, I'm going to have to settle for a domestic vehicle (Man that hurts me down in gut, if you knew me you'd be shocked). I will never buy a Honda

Tacoma is hard to find because production has either been stopped (to re-tool the plant) or dealers are not ordering because they're afraid to get stuck with old stock.

Why? Tacoma is scheduled to launch a new version in November.:thumbup: :D

As for Celica, everyone is buying them up. You're also at the end of a model year so there are going to be few 2004 Celica's floating around. If you want a Celica, best to order it now and be prepared to wait 1-2 months while it's shipped from Japan. well worth the wait though. ;)

If you're really having problems, call Toyota's Customer Service line at 1-888-Toyota-8 and tell them you want to buy but the dealer isn't cooperating to make the sale. THAT's the frustrating part - those few dealers who make it tough on everyone.

Oh man, it is a sad news that Toyota will discontinue both of their great sports cars. I'm sure one day Toyota will bring back the MR2 though. In my opinion, the MR2, all generation, are the best car Toyota ever made.

I have to agree too, Toyota seems to be in it for the money now.
Not about making great cars that knowledgable drivers buy.
One of the best models the TE72 1980-1982.5, the model that I have, last just 2.5 years. Most people who bought the car did not know it was a HEMI engine, had crossflow heads and a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust. All most people knew is they bought a great car.

If Toyota built an update version of the 82 SR5 Coupe or 87 GTS with RWD they would sell by the boatload.

But since that will happen when Ford puts a 4 cylinder back into their Mustang, I think a 2005 Mustang is looking mighty good. When it is 20+ years old I will probably still be able to get parts unlike my 22 year old Corolla I more or less have to take what ever I can find.

Too bad Toyota. Last visit to their showroom shows it is pretty quiet. Chrysler 300 and Fords Mustang are going to dominate for a while.

Hemi3TC

i havent read this whole thread so i dont know whaat all was mentioned yet but toyota has plans for a hyibrid supra and a racing prius that was in motor trend this month. we cant give up all hope just yet toyota still has the matrix and a super charged scion (or at least starting prodution soon). i think it sucks huge a$$ that the mr2 and celicas are being discontinued

I don't understand these rumors of Lexus becomming the performance division of Toyota when one of the first things they do is drop the option of having a manual transmission and replace the engine with an F head (Altezza -> IS300).

Nobody considers Infiniti or Mercedes to be all that sporty. Even the SLK got laughed out of the automotive press when it came out.

BMW is one of the last luxury brands to actively market performance in their press, commercials, and in the cars themselves (they still offer the option of a stickshift on the 3 and 5 series). Acura would be another.

- John

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lcarocha
[B]Good bye Toyota, hello Honda?[QUOTE][i]

[QUOTE][i]Honestly, Toyota has lost my business. As a die hard Celica owner and lover it makes me deeply sad that they have taken this decision.[QUOTE][i]



Yeah I agree, I think TOYOTA has lost my business as well...if you are reading this Toyota company...you've literally ruined the FUN out of TOYOTA , TRD. ....Is Toyota thinking straight? what the fudge.....WHy remove such a great product off the market?!! Well, at least I have my little mr2, ....listen everyone. They are not dead, Toyota has just abandoned the Celica and MR2. Like nothing....They betrayed the Celica/Mr2 cars. Forget it....They better make up for it...I can't believe it.....They've kiled themselves, I'm NEVER going to buy another Toyota car unless it has one of the mr2's engines, and is a 2 seater, and looks good...THANK YOU TOYOTA FOR RUINING MY FUTURE TOYOTA SPORT CAR MR2's/CELICA that I assume were going to be developed if you had not made such a STUPID decissioN!!!! I'm gonna take care of my Mr2 even more now.....*thinking of ripping off the toyota logo off my mr2*

EVERYONE!! RIP OFF YOUR TOYOTA LOGOS :lol:


By the way, no offense anyone but a good 2 seater replacement car would consider looking into the LOTUS or a s2000, or maybe a BMW Z series, Z4, Z7, Z8... Corvette Z06....:(

and about joining ZION ....If they attemp to make a celica or mr2 , it's only gonna be a box shaped car....

Again, Thank you MR2 KILLERS! :mad: :( :( :disappoin :mad: :mad:

Shouldn't they drop a car and have a new car come out?

Like mazda. They dropped the protege and 626 and came out w/ the mazda 3 and mazda 6. Why hasn't toyota done this. Fuck scion, I want a toyota!

The Lotus Elise is a sweet ride GeRm0MR2. It has a modifed Celica GT-S engine in it.

Lotus designed the original MR2, but gave it up during the development, to Toyota...


technically, the Elise is the new MR2..

The Elise is sick.

I saw one 2 weeks ago in person and it is small and 100% business:cool: It actually looks mean for such a small brightly colored car:thumbup:

Originally posted by Razo-E
Lotus designed the original MR2, but gave it up during the development, to Toyota...


technically, the Elise is the new MR2..

Would you PLEASE stop spreading this rumour. It's not true.

The MR2 was on the drawing board long before Lotus got involved. And the only thing Lotus worked on was the suspension. Lotus gave up nothing to Toyota.

Here's the history of the MR2:

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Intro.htm

- John

There was one when I went out to Willow... oh my god so sick :cool:

http://www.highoctanenetworks.com/mycars/willowsept2004/MVC-103F.JPG

http://www.highoctanenetworks.com/mycars/willowsept2004/MVC-104F.JPG

http://www.highoctanenetworks.com/mycars/willowsept2004/MVC-107F.JPG

http://www.highoctanenetworks.com/mycars/willowsept2004/MVC-112F.JPG

Originally posted by Kensuke
I don't understand these rumors of Lexus becomming the performance division of Toyota when one of the first things they do is drop the option of having a manual transmission and replace the engine with an F head (Altezza -> IS300).

Nobody considers Infiniti or Mercedes to be all that sporty. Even the SLK got laughed out of the automotive press when it came out.

BMW is one of the last luxury brands to actively market performance in their press, commercials, and in the cars themselves (they still offer the option of a stickshift on the 3 and 5 series). Acura would be another.

- John

From July 2004 Car and Driver (page 33, right column):

Eager to rid itself of the perception that Lexus is not a driver's brand, Toyota's luxury division will set up an in-house performance shop much in the fashion on BMW's M division and Mercedes-Benz's well-known AMG tuning arm. The first three models to get the GT treatment will be the next generation IS350, GS350, and LS500.

Originally posted by ishcoleobo
From July 2004 Car and Driver (page 33, right column):

Good and fine. But will their be stickshifts?

A 5.0L engine? Interesting. Toyota's are getting up there.

- John

^ Psh... displacement is overrated. MKIV Supra kicked ass... I didn't see any 5.0. You want a 5.0 go buy American...

Bear in mind that Toyota is not discontinuig Celica and MR2 but will just stop selling it in US market. The cars will continue to be available elsewhere, where they enjoyed better sales. It seems like a cost saving strategy - US market was always getting the shaft when it comes to number of models available, most cars are available with 1 max 2 engines, compared to 3-5 engines elsewhere. And I suspect that the redesigned Celica will either resurface as Scion, or Tc is supposed to take over that role. As nice as it is, its basically a reworked Toyota Avensis, which is a somewhat smaller equivalent to Camry sold elsewhere, where Camry is either too big or just does not sell. I have to admit it does look better than the Celica though. MR2s are quite popular elsewhere, esp the SMG version.

As to the Lotus question... Lotus is a very small operation. The Elise shares engine with the Celica, but more importantly it shares platform and manufacturing facility with Opel Roadster (sold as Vauxhall VX220 in UK). Except that Opel has a vastly different engine lineup, with a 2 L turbo as best choice, much more torquy and powerful than Toyota VVTi unit. Also looks way better than Lotus, IMHO.

And instead US gets the Matrix which doesn't hold a candle to 5 door Corolla hatchback because of its higher centre of gravity.

Toyota seems to running aginst the trend here as all other makes revive their flagship sportscars which sell quite well. One would expect that we will get some sportscars under Lexus instead. the Volta doesn't seem ike next Supra to me... if anything it must be a car in RX8/350Z/G35 price range to make economic sense. That rules out V10, but most likely that 3.3L V6.. RIP inline 6...

As for V6 in Celica replacement, I would much rather have a 4 cyl turbo - V6 in a small car makes for poor weight distribution.

Originally posted by acer
As to the Lotus question... Lotus is a very small operation. The Elise shares engine with the Celica, but more importantly it shares platform and manufacturing facility with Opel Roadster (sold as Vauxhall VX220 in UK). Except that Opel has a vastly different engine lineup, with a 2 L turbo as best choice, much more torquy and powerful than Toyota VVTi unit. Also looks way better than Lotus, IMHO.


Sorry... but that VX220 got it's ass handed to it by the Elise. I have a video of it somewhere... on a track... same driver. First time driving both cars.

Official specs: Elise 111R 189 hp@7800, 133 lb@6800, 0 to 100 km 5.2 s, VX220 200 hp@5500 183 lb@1950, 0 to 100 4.9 s. Elise R is a 6 speed, VX a 5 speed. The extra torque at much lower rpm makes the difference, and it becomes more apparent in normal driving conditions.

Both of these cars are still going to be "alive and kicking" in Japan. 245hp 2.4L Celica. Both redesigned for '06. Saw both in a Japanese car magazine. At least I had the pleasure to work on both of these cars as a Toyota tech before I moved on to Lexus.

Both of these cars are still going to be "alive and kicking" in Japan. 245hp 2.4L Celica. Both the Celica and MR-S are being redesigned for '06. Saw both in a Japanese car magazine. At least I had the pleasure to work on both of these cars as a Toyota tech before I moved on to Lexus.

2.4L 245hp? serious numbers considering what the celica used to produce. Is that official word from Toyota?

Since when did Toyota make a 2.4L 4cyl?

^---the 2az-fe in the Camry/Solara/tC...

this new engine's supposed to be a 2az-ge...

Meh... i thought everything was still getting the 2zz.

Well if you keep on the news toyota has been in the talks of bringing the Supra back to the states. One to compete with the 350Z and the possible Skyline to be known as the Infinity GT-R. Though they are also in the talk of making the supra a hybrid. Now don't get discouraged there, toyota has been the front hold of hybrids and are now starting to get more power and torque with better fuel economy out of hybrids then their "sister" gasoline only models. Look at the Lexus RX 330 which is going to have the first sister model hybrid for toyota known as I believe the model # is Lexus 400h. Which is identical to the RX 330 but with more power and torque and better fuel economy then the RX330. Though its all in talks. Toyota has to do something to compete with the new found glory of high power cars in the U.S., i.e Lancer EVO, WRX STi, 350Z, and possible SKyline in 2006.

But it'll cost like 50,000$$ right? How can that compete vs a 30,000$ STI or an Evo?

For the same reason that people spend all the money on Sony products rather then the equivelants. Its all in the name "SUPRA"

look the Supra died in 2000 thats that, its not coming back.......

every damn concept car that Toyota makes that either looks fast, is fast or looks and is fast gets dubbed Supra by the media.

its not gonna happen, toyota does have a new performance car in the wings but it will not be called the Supra. Toyota main focus right now is their truck segement, they are going after ford right now and then after that Chevy and Dodge

pls ppl give it a resr

fuck toyota now
they killin all my babies


nissan i will be coming over once i get some $$$$ G35 coupe here i come sometime

:werd: to Will...

the Supra wasnt even magnificent in stock form....

it didnt do 1 single thing great, it just did everything above average...