scion tc supercharger

hello to all,
I am in need of help. does anyone know of a factory supercharger from trd that is avail. if so please let me know, i need a trd supercharger only. if not avail. does anyone know when it is coming out from trd.
thanks
:confused:

Its not out yet.

They say it's supposed to be available by november. It includes the vortech supercharger, higher flowing fuel injectors and an ecu reprogram. Definitly dealer installed.

wow thats pretty nice injectors and ecu :eek:

Look for more information after SEMA in November ;)

Originally posted by trdcamry2003
They say it's supposed to be available by november. It includes the vortech supercharger, higher flowing fuel injectors and an ecu reprogram. Definitly dealer installed.

Definitly dealer installed? How hard could it be to do by yourself?

Injectors....cake.
ECU....I think you would just swap the ECU out for a reprogramed one.
Supercharger....some bolts and a new belt.
DONE. :D

Anyone test one yet on a Tc?

It wouldn't be too hard. But why void your whole warranty to save a couple hundred dollars. And by purchasing a reprogrammed ecu you just defeated the purpose of saving the money you didn't spend on having the dealer do it.

And I heard the supercharger got pushed back to december.

Originally posted by trdcamry2003
It wouldn't be too hard. But why void your whole warranty to save a couple hundred dollars. And by purchasing a reprogrammed ecu you just defeated the purpose of saving the money you didn't spend on having the dealer do it.

Would it really void the warranty? You 100% sure. I mean it's a genuine Toyota product made for the car. Just for example: if my genuine Toyota oil filter caused my engine to blow (for what ever reason) in my new Scion would it not be covered under warranty because I installed it not the dealer. Same should be with the SC. Also does Toyota reprogram the ECU or do they "*reprogram*" it by just giving you a new one like many others do? If so, how do you know this?

not sure on the last couple questions, but if u install your own TRD parts, it's only covered liek 6 months, instead of one yr or the remainder of factory warranty, whichever is longer.

:D Wait to see what we have coming out for SEMA :lol:

In the new Scion Magazine/Brochure, it list TRD options for the xA, xB, and tC. Says Supercharger for the tC. Does say Available Nov 2004!!!

February folks. The supercharger has been pushed back to Feb:(
the dealer tests have shown 225 at the wheels, but expects they'll tune it down.
whatever they do, it better stay competitive with the rsx. one of the joys of this supercharger will be smoking the rsx at a comfortable 4500 rpm while they are winding away at 7000:p:

Supposedly most of the new options to be available have been put back 2 months or more by Scion... why? I think it's kind of lame considering they promise more options.

I'm waiting for the available Wing-type Spoiler... supp. coming late this year???

Anybody know about that?

Supposedly it's being pushed back to April now... :(

I'm glad you provided a link to pics of yout tC, ScionicXTC (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?u=13164). When I order my tC, I was pretty sure I wanted the Indigo Ink Pearl; now I'm sure I do! :thumbup:

hey since everyones talking about things to come, i have a quick ?. I am a reservist in the military and im getting activated and deployed and wont be able to get a new car till jan '06, do u think the scion will be a good car to get and mod around this time, or should i be looking at the cars of '06 ie, the new '06 eclipse?

hey since everyones talking about things to come, i have a quick ?. I am a reservist in the military and im getting activated and deployed and wont be able to get a new car till jan '06, do u think the scion will be a good car to get and mod around this time, or should i be looking at the cars of '06 ie, the new '06 eclipse?

What car you got now?

right now i have a '01 ford focus with the basic mods, but its been giving me problems, i think the tranny is going out on me, i've pushed the poor car to the limit. lol

Do you know how much longer until you deploy?
And where do you deploy to?

The TC will have lots of modding potential.
There are already like I believe a few Superchargers out. (Blitz, And the TRD one will be coming out too)
There will be lots of turbo's too. Greddy included.


Im sure the eclipse may get lots of stuff too, but holy crap. The parts for the TC seem to have boomed. So many big name company's have jumped on modding the TC.

The Tc will last you a lot longer for sure.

the tc was built as the sports car of the scion class and know that there will be much more to come

hey since everyones talking about things to come, i have a quick ?. I am a reservist in the military and im getting activated and deployed and wont be able to get a new car till jan '06, do u think the scion will be a good car to get and mod around this time, or should i be looking at the cars of '06 ie, the new '06 eclipse?By 06' you shouldnt have to wait to get a Tc(5spd at least). And Mitsu... you think they'll be in biz in 06?! Just wait til then and while your deplyed have your sig other or friends back home send you the latest mags and keep up here on the board!

Peace

im going to Somalia in March, well i hope the scion will be ready to mod when i get back in Jan! thanks!

February folks. The supercharger has been pushed back to Feb:(
the dealer tests have shown 225 at the wheels, but expects they'll tune it down.
whatever they do, it better stay competitive with the rsx. one of the joys of this supercharger will be smoking the rsx at a comfortable 4500 rpm while they are winding away at 7000:p:
What are you going to do to overcome the 210hp typeS with an extra gear in the tranny?

Peace

What are you going to do to overcome the 210hp typeS with an extra gear in the tranny?

Peace

The tC is geared very short, the 5th gear on the tC is really not an over drive. The 6th gear on the RSX is, top speed in the RSX would be more or less reached in 5th gear. The short gearing on the tC is responsable for realtivly poor fuel economy but makes the tC much faster. (relitive to other 5-speeds)

true, 6th gear in the S is just an overdrive (and 5th is an overdrvie in the base models :mad: )


i've never raced a tC, but i bet a manual could easily take me, not sure about the auto though, that'd be interesting to find out :D

The tC is geared very short, the 5th gear on the tC is really not an over drive. The 6th gear on the RSX is, top speed in the RSX would be more or less reached in 5th gear. The short gearing on the tC is responsable for realtivly poor fuel economy but makes the tC much faster. (relitive to other 5-speeds)

typeS Tc
1 gear 3.267 3.54
2 gear 2.130 2.05
3 gear 1.517 1.33
4 gear 1.147 .97
5 gear .921 .78
6 gear .738 NA

Final Drv 4.765 4.2xx
(Can someone fill in the final drive on the Tc for me so I can edit this post...thx)
I dunno the gearing isnt all that diff and the final drive is better in the RSX... Since the RSX has a higher rev range theoretically you wouldnt have to shift the RSX as much or as soon... since a shift takes lets say .1-.4 (1/4 mile time)... lets see… lauching the RSX might be easier a torque happy SC'd 2.4l! hmmm I dunno. Its a drivers race

Peace

i believe those are the gear ratios of the 05's. pre-05's had a worse fd, though i can't think of the exact number, i wanna say it was around the same as teh tC, somewhere in teh 4.2 range. for 05, they got the Type-R fd.

^

5th and 6th are overdrive on the type s

5th is overdrive on tc

overdrive doesn't mean "last gear"

^^ Yeah, you're right.

Overdrive simply means that any gear below a 1:1 ratio is "over" driven. You also have to take into account the differential gear ratio which also alters gear ratios without changing out the gears. Hence the term "changing out the rear end" for RWD cars.

The Type S's 4.765 final drive is significantly shorter than the tC's 4.285 final drive by about 12%, where higher = shorter. The shorter differential ratio basically raises each gear by 12% in comparison to the tC.

That would make the Type S's 1st gear 3.659, 2nd gear 2.386 ... 5th gear 1.031, and 6th gear 0.826 in comparison to the tC's 4.285 final drive. The 6th gear of 0.826 is very similar to the 5th gear of my 1991 MR2 N/A. Basically, the person who pulls the hardest with the least amount of shifting will win. So a S/C tC with 210lb-ft of torque at 4000rpm vs. an RSX Type S with 143lb-ft at 7000rpm. The gears in the tC will keep it at its peak torque range where the Type S will have to rev to get to its after shifting.

The RSX and stock tC are also drag limited, so neither can redline in their respective overdrive gears because the engine's power falls flat and can no longer pull the weight of the car against the force of air.

EDIT: Sorry, the tC's E351 uses a 4.235 ratio not 4.285.

^^ Yeah, you're right.

Overdrive simply means that any gear below a 1:1 ratio is "over" driven. You also have to take into account the differential gear ratio which also alters gear ratios without changing out the gears. Hence the term "changing out the rear end" for RWD cars.

The Type S's 4.765 final drive is significantly shorter than the tC's 4.285 final drive by about 12%, where higher = shorter. The shorter differential ratio basically raises each gear by 12% in comparison to the tC.

That would make the Type S's 1st gear 3.659, 2nd gear 2.386 ... 5th gear 1.031, and 6th gear 0.826 in comparison to the tC's 4.285 final drive. The 6th gear of 0.826 is very similar to the 5th gear of my 1991 MR2 N/A. Basically, the person who pulls the hardest with the least amount of shifting will win. So a S/C tC with 210lb-ft of torque at 4000rpm vs. an RSX Type S with 143lb-ft at 7000rpm. The gears in the tC will keep it at its peak torque range where the Type S will have to rev to get to its after shifting.

The RSX and stock tC are also drag limited, so neither can redline in their respective overdrive gears because the engine's power falls flat and can no longer pull the weight of the car against the force of air.
Great info! ^ :thumbup:
You still have to take into consideration launching(with that 210lb/ft torque and not just wasting tires!) and the fact that despite the S gears being shorter it has alot more rpm to work with so the amount of shifting may not be that different. No matter where the torque peak occurs gearing is usually setup to be shifted at redline and as a byproduct be kept around the torque peak. I'm still thinking its a drivers race...

Peace

As the earlier posts say - when? how much - cost / power?

Any news yet on when the date is? I've tried to talk with a local sales guy and he didn't know (not sure if he didn't know what I was talking about or if he just didn't know the date).

Need to replace my old car, I'd go with the tC if I could get the factory supercharger.

thanks,
Chris

Heres some more info on performance and durability on the tC's supercharger

http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=447&Part_cat=3&parts_id=634

Thanks for the info. So...two more months? But based on what I've seen there's a really big schedule creep. When I first started looking, it was supposedly ready last May, then in winter, then early '05, now April. I'd be more than annoyed to wait for a car two more months and then find out that the date has moved once again. :-(

Yeah, I know there are alternatives, however, the factory warranty is a big deal with me after my last car.

Thanks though for the info. Got to decide if I can put off a car purchase for at least two more months...

thanks,
Chris

I'm going to buy a scion tc for sure, but not until the TRD dealer installed supercharger is available. I've been keeping tabs on this for QUITE some time now, and all i've seen is the release date get pushed further, and further back. So now it's April 1st? Is that a joke? No pun intended. Well, what I'm wondering is if i buy a tc now, can i bring it back to the dealer and have it installed with the same warranty I'd get if I were to wait and have it come with the car if i bought it later?

:confused:

^ yes

And it might be a better idea to get the car first and the supercharger later anyways. Probably better to not boost on a brand new engine.

Well, FWIW, talked with someone in sales (I guess) from TRD and he said late April, if then. He gave 0% confidence that it would be out then. I know this exists, or I've read about it, just no one seems to know when it will really get released.

While I too wanted to make it a "package", but I'm starting to really wonder about this. Maybe there are problems with it or something else? Why would they keep pushing it out if it was really ready.

-Chris

Well I for one am really tired of waiting. IMO, the stock engine is plenty for now. I plan on buying my flint mica 5speed tC sometime this week (whenever i can sneak out of work to get to a dealer, lol) even with the supercharger not being an option atm. I say just buy your car now, break her in, and then upgrade to the SC later in life.