Toyota Launch New F1 Car - TF105

Toyota was the first team to launch their 2005 F1 car car today. Nothing too radical from the pictures. It's the first car designed under Mike Gascoyne, former Renault technical director.

Link to Story (http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=31859)

Some Pics...

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/team-toyota/diapo_104.jpg

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/team-toyota/diapo_111.jpg

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/team-toyota/diapo_170.jpg

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/team-toyota/diapo_175.jpg

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Nice to see that they got rid of the barge boards.

Hopefully the achieve some results in 05.

Can't wait for the season to begin.

I can't wait either !!! And I want one of those rain lights for my V-10 Corolla. :lol:

go RALF SCHUMACHER!!:clap:

We were directly behind the section where he crashed at Indy, It happened so fast it was over quickly. I was quite worried about him sitting in the front straight, at the speed they travel it could have been horrific. The amount of debris was incredible. He will kick some butt upon returning. Glad that he is o.k.

what's wrong with barge boards? :confused:

yeah, i was over near turn 3/4 at indy this year. couldn't really see what happened to ralf, but it was really scary there for a while. it was a relief to learn he was alright.

i think ralf and jarno will be a good team pairing. the only thing that worries me is consistency. jarno isn't too consistent over a race weekend (qualifying to race), while ralf isn't consistent from weekend to weekend. but i certainly think the team is moving forward (hehehe, toyota's new slogan here in the states... :D )

Hopefully Toyota can finish in the top 4 in the manufactrue's standing this year. I hope Ralf or Trulli can get some podium finishes. I read somewhere that if Toyota doesn't show improvement on the poduim they might yank there team from F1 :( :thumbdown

here is the link:

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_story.asp?ID=110011&hubName=

Hopefully Toyota can finish in the top 4 in the manufactrue's standing this year. I hope Ralf or Trulli can get some podium finishes. I read somewhere that if Toyota doesn't show improvement on the poduim they might yank there team from F1 :( :thumbdown

here is the link:

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_story.asp?ID=110011&hubName=

It's never been the drivers who are incapable of giving them the results; it's the cars that were a piece of shit. The TF104 was MILES behind everyone else last season.

Salo and McNish weren't slow. Salo was awesome in 99 when he filled in for MS after the latter broke his legs. One look at McNish's achievements at Audi and you can see he has plenty of speed.

CDM isn't that bad of a driver. 03 Silverstone proofed that point at least for parts of the race. You dont' win a top tier open wheel racing series if u'r slow ;) and he WAS a CART champ before jumping over to F1.

I somehow think their failure is caused more by administrative side than it is the actual drivers. 8 million bucks to hire Gazza isn't exactly chump change and he ISN'T even close to the leagues of Ross Brawn who earns only HALF of what Mike's charging toyota.

well, more bad news for toyota's f1 team unfortunately. seems the car likes to eat up the rear tires rather quickly...

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32023

the good news is that lots of teams are having trouble coping with the new regulations. bar honda has already admitted a lack of downforce and the hondas keep blowing up before two race distances (engines must last for two weekends under the 2005 rules.). sauber has also said their having some trouble with their new chassis.

luckily, mclaren is back on form. renault also looks good, and of course ferrari will still be up there. should be a good season.

These new rules suck. It's gonna be orver-regulated just like government.

Let em play dangit!

These new rules suck. It's gonna be orver-regulated just like government.

Let em play dangit!

how are they not letting em play? :lol:

I think these new rules are great. More constraints for the engineers to work under and STILL make the car go as fast as late 03, early 04 season would be an AWESOME engineering feat.

The current third edition of the TF105 is quite different with the wings in front of the side intakes.

With Trulli on P2 it starts well in Melbourne. Can't say the same for the Schumacher brothers. Are anyone else gonna see the race in couple of hours?

I saw this at Melbourne Grand Prix. It ran second on the time attack

I missed the Melbourne race, its being aired again tomorrow on TSN. So i will be watching it tomorrow. Hopefully better results for Panasonic Toyota Racing this new season.

That was a disappointing race. :thumbdown

It was good until he had to pit. I think coming out in the start of the 2nd stint just ate up the tires due to the drop in pressure when he was in the pits and he just went backwards from there.

That car looks HOT! Hoepfully they do some good with it.

9th and 12th. Disappointing.
But a WOW WOW WOW! goes out to Renault. Perhaps the playing field has been evened up this year? Taht would be good news for everyone sick and tired of Shumie winning every race. :clap:

It was good until he had to pit. I think coming out in the start of the 2nd stint just ate up the tires due to the drop in pressure when he was in the pits and he just went backwards from there. Yeah. The rounds after the pit rounds were catastophic! The car ate the tyres like hotcakes! But take a loot at RBR, those cars are the Jaguars from last year, can you believe it!?

And then there's Honda. Exploiding a hole in the rules so they can get new engines for the next GP :disappoin

9th and 12th. Disappointing.
But a WOW WOW WOW! goes out to Renault. Perhaps the playing field has been evened up this year? Taht would be good news for everyone sick and tired of Shumie winning every race. :clap:


considering the fact rubens came from 10th to come up to 2nd, i think the rest of the field should keep sweating ;)

It was good until he had to pit. I think coming out in the start of the 2nd stint just ate up the tires due to the drop in pressure when he was in the pits and he just went backwards from there.

I have to agree it was nice seeing a Toyota up front :) :thumbup: It was depressing after his first pit stuff. So if Toyota can keep this up they should have a better year this season :)

They need to work on the pace. Pretty demoralizing to see Fisi literally just walk from Trulli at the first stint.

He wasn't pushing that hard and he was easily in the 26s. 4 laps to the end on USED tires he did a couple of high 25s.

Still lacking pace and I'm certain Gascoyne is way overrated.

heres my two cents.. Im kinda tired of everyone attacking schumi, Im not really a huge fan, but I do respect his talent. Actually I dont really have a fav. team or driver, but the way I see it, all the other drivers should just be better. Mikes awsome, even without Ferrari. Its the other drivers that need to pick up the pace. and I think Mike would probaly agree, Im sure hes probaly tired of having no compition. there thats my 2 cents and a half. :hi: i just love the smilies!!

I'm not a schumi hater, because what he did in the past few seasons is pretty impressive. Notably Magny Cours last season.

I will say this however:

He's gotta stop thinking that it's ok to ram the bastards off thet rack when they challenge for position. This is the 2nd time in 5 races.

Last time was in Shanghai 04 when he came out of NOWHERE and punted Klein's car (damaging the latter and forcing him to DNF) when he started almost deadlast due to his qualifying fuckup.

He's fine when he's up front. When you put him in a position in traffic where he has to EARN his positions, sometimes he look mediocre at best.

Heidfeld was over the gras and didn't have full control of the car. I don't think you should put all the blame on Schumi.

There are two interesting articles on TSN. One is about Cristiano da Matta says Toyota's Formula One team are "completely lost.

Here is the link for that: http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_Story.asp?ID=117836

The other article is about Toyota acting like a bunch of winny b*****'s. Which is starting to piss me of. If Toyota's F1 team can't deliver and compete than they should just leave Forumula One.

Here is the article on that:
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formula_one/news_story.asp?ID=118467&hubName=auto_racing-formula_one

The smart ones intepret the rules as they see fit.

the dumb ones follow em literally.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Guess the tires they used really crapped out on them in melbourne

Trulli 2nd
RSC 5th

awesome!

I hope it continues.
Jarno Trulli 2nd
Ralf S. 5th
:clap:

i think it was only a matter of time before our team was on the podium. with the faltering F1 program, Gascoyne and crew were under serious pressure from the brass at Toyota. i think there was actually an announcer (motorsport mundial) who hit the nail on the head when he said <paraphrased i think> 'with the new policy on a two race engine, reliability comes into question, and reliability is the game that Toyota knows best'. sorry if that was chopped all to hell, but i was up early!

but, man! how about that qualifying round? Trulli looked ridiculously fast, didn't he? i mean compared to the rest of the field and everything!

I just saw the race. How can I consentrate to my exam tomorrow! This is wild!

i think it was only a matter of time before our team was on the podium. with the faltering F1 program, Gascoyne and crew were under serious pressure from the brass at Toyota. i think there was actually an announcer (motorsport mundial) who hit the nail on the head when he said <paraphrased i think> 'with the new policy on a two race engine, reliability comes into question, and reliability is the game that Toyota knows best'. sorry if that was chopped all to hell, but i was up early!

but, man! how about that qualifying round? Trulli looked ridiculously fast, didn't he? i mean compared to the rest of the field and everything!

when you dump more cash than anyone else on the grid, of course it's only a matter of "time"

the problem is why did it take this long :lol:

I hope it continues.
Jarno Trulli 2nd
Ralf S. 5th
:clap:

I have been waiting for this day to happen for along time, To see a Toyota driver on the podium. This is awesome!!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :eek: :D :clap: :clap: :thumbsup: :chug:

well, this IS the only car that Mike Gascoyne had full control over...

you also have to remember that the other teams have been established for awhile now.

well, this IS the only car that Mike Gascoyne had full control over...

you also have to remember that the other teams have been established for awhile now.

sorry, there's no excuse to having only beat jordan and minardis prior to this season.

they can't even beat BAR before 04 for god's sakes; and the latter was just AWFUL before.

sorry, there's no excuse to having only beat jordan and minardis prior to this season.

they can't even beat BAR before 04 for god's sakes; and the latter was just AWFUL before.
i believe the excuse is called "doing something for the first time" ? as horrible as BAR might have been, you can dump as much money as you want, but unless you outright buy out an existing team, a new team will take some years to get into the swing of things. and especially a new team that's making its own engine and chassis. there's a reason people have been repeating this over, and over, and over. because some people (*cough*) don't seem to understand it.

I was watching an interview the other day during the qualifier round for the last race, apparently Toyota is not the only one that will join F1.. they said expect to see Nissan and Honda Joining F1 soon too. And apparently Toyota will also consider to run under Lexus.

well done for toyota. i'm glad they stuck with F1 and continued to put serious money into (unlike ford/jaguar for example). i think they made a good move in picking up trulli and schumacher, two drivers who are pretty consistent and fast. it really was something else to see a toyota driver on the podium.

did anyone else think jarno was about to pass out on the podium?

oh Oh OH OHHHH WHAT A FEELING!!! TOYOTA! :D

Finally we can hold our heads high and bask in the glory. I was getting a bit tired of being the only one at races wearing a Panasonic-Toyota F1 shirt. Now there will be more! Yahoo!!

i believe the excuse is called "doing something for the first time" ? as horrible as BAR might have been, you can dump as much money as you want, but unless you outright buy out an existing team, a new team will take some years to get into the swing of things. and especially a new team that's making its own engine and chassis. there's a reason people have been repeating this over, and over, and over. because some people (*cough*) don't seem to understand it.

from 03 to 04, they moved backwards

It's hardly doing something for the first time.

They moved in the wrong direction; which lead them to beat just Jordan and Minardi.

I'm a toyota fan, but i'm not willing to say everything is rosy / give them time when it's damned apparent that they weren't progressing in the right direction in the past.

F1 is amazing! I saw the malaysia race the other night! hells yea second place, its not first, renault is doing quite well! i think they said something along th lines of yota hasn't had a podem position in a number of seasons blah blah, i dont remember how long was said, but it was a considerable amount of time!! Anyways go toyota!!!!

They've never had a podium position since they entered F1.

from 03 to 04, they moved backwards

It's hardly doing something for the first time.

They moved in the wrong direction; which lead them to beat just Jordan and Minardi.

I'm a toyota fan, but i'm not willing to say everything is rosy / give them time when it's damned apparent that they weren't progressing in the right direction in the past.
funny, jordan and minardi were semi established teams already...i think that some research into stats will have to tell the tale. i don't know of any race team who goes out and wins a championship in a matter of 3 years.

Toyota taking over the 05 scene

Considering the fact that Minardi is still running on chassis that are 3 years old, then I think if they don't beat Minardi, they should seriously pack it up and go home.

Established? They might have been around as mobile chicanes; but that's hardly an establishment.

I'm not asking htem to win a championship in 3 years; at least show some progress after dumping in all that cash. They did not show progress in 2004; they showed regress.

you're somewhat contradicting yourself. although the TTE Team hasn't been doing too well, i think the tides are turning. you expect a bunch from the Toyota team, that's fine.

Hardly contradicting myself.

They lauched their first car in 2001
They spent the ENTIRE season testing in 2001. Smart move, but the car really wasn't at all competitive in 02

in 03, they scored 16 points. Heck, CDM led part of the 2nd stint of the British GP before being leap frogged by Kimi.

in 04 they scored 8 points.

you call this progress? I don't

Yes they're turning the tides now; (tho i still tihnk it's too early to tell as they had one horrific race and one pretty good race) but they've been lagging for the entire 2004 season.

how is minardi running a 3 year old chassis? they've run a modified version of the ps04 with a 2005 aero package for both races. that's what the whole disagrement in austrailia was over (they wanted to run last year's aero, but ferrari wouldn't let them).

anyways, back on topic, minardi/jordan is a totally different deal than toyota. both of those teams have been around for a long time, but have very small budgets. toyota on the other hand has been around for a short period, but has a massive budget compared to them. so which team should do better? obviously toyota should.

one of the main reasons toyota did so poor in '04 is because michelin dropped the ball big time. look at '03 too when michelin was on par with bridgestone and they scored more points than '04. this year, michelin has a huge advantage over bridgestone because they've got so many more testing miles because they supply more teams. and look at their results so far. along with running last year's car, that's also why ferrari has been doing so poor thus far.

in the end, the fact is that toyota is willing to front the cash it takes to be competitive in formula one, and in this sport, that's what counts...

I seriously doubt that the new FIArrari car will make THAT much of a difference, no matter how good the car you can't expect to obtain the Pole position after you've been starting from 14th position and back. Hell, even M.S. has said that the new F2005 is an improvement over the 2004 car but he does not expect any miracles

how is minardi running a 3 year old chassis? they've run a modified version of the ps04 with a 2005 aero package for both races. that's what the whole disagrement in austrailia was over (they wanted to run last year's aero, but ferrari wouldn't let them).

anyways, back on topic, minardi/jordan is a totally different deal than toyota. both of those teams have been around for a long time, but have very small budgets. toyota on the other hand has been around for a short period, but has a massive budget compared to them. so which team should do better? obviously toyota should.

one of the main reasons toyota did so poor in '04 is because michelin dropped the ball big time. look at '03 too when michelin was on par with bridgestone and they scored more points than '04. this year, michelin has a huge advantage over bridgestone because they've got so many more testing miles because they supply more teams. and look at their results so far. along with running last year's car, that's also why ferrari has been doing so poor thus far.

in the end, the fact is that toyota is willing to front the cash it takes to be competitive in formula one, and in this sport, that's what counts...


aero is not part of the chassis.

the 2004 car is bought from the leftover inventory when Aarows went out of business.

Michelin might've dropped the ball; but Toyota DID have the most powerful engine on the grid; only at suzuka did HOnda have the upper hand.

Don't blame the Michelins; BAR had no problems being the best of the rest.

just goes to show you how much driver is a factor and total hp is NOT.

In your opinion, who's a better driver:

between Sato and Panis
Sato and CDM
and Sato and Trulli.

you can also replace Sato with Massa if you like :D

Sato seems to have more heart. Panis is probably age-out material soon.
i dunno much about CDM
Trulli all the way!

see, i think luring drivers away from their current/ perspective teams is a difficult thing.

Only if htey're unhappy at the current team or if the team that's doing the luring seems like a better prospect at giving the driver a title / more success.

see, i think we agree at least on some levels! LOL