radial pull

badgolferman wrote:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?

There we go again with the broken search engines. Gotta get that fixed.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=q=%22radial+pull%22+tire

badgolferman wrote:
> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that
> are rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means

Douglas Tires are a private label brand sold by Wal-Mart.

Ernie Sty wrote:
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...
>
>> Questions:
>> What causes a radial pull?
>> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
>> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>
>
> Some info that might be helpful:
> http://www.alldata.com/techtips/2001/20010801e.html

I read that already. It doesn't really answer my first two questions.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...
> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
> rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
> Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
> tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
> They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
> the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>

"Radial pull" is a catch-all phrase used to describe the condition where a
tire rolls to the left or right rather than in a straight line. When
describing the tendency for a vehicle to move to the left or right, it is
described as "pull," not push.

Many things can cause the tire pull. If one tire shoulder has more rolling
resistance than the other shoulder, then the tire will pull towards the side
with less resistance. If the belts in the tire are not oriented properly,
it can pull. Uneven tread wear can theoretically cause pull.

Tire pull is sometimes less noticeable on the back than on the front so it
is certainly worth a try to put the offending tire on the back.

The shop that checked your alignment should give you a printout with before
and after alignment specifications so you should make sure that the "after"
printout is within the specifications listed.

As far as recommended tires, some posters recommend checking BBB, the
attorney general, doing background checks, etc. Dealership service
departments receive customer satisfaction ratings and I spent a lot of time
evaluating dealership service departments when I worked for Toyota. Even
without looking at all the reports, I could tell which dealers had good
scores and which ones had poor scores just by hanging around the cashier and
service advisor's desks when people came by to pick up their cars. Some
places always seem to have customers complaining or questioning something,
while some have customers who just thank the people who worked on their car.

When I need tires on my personal cars, I go to a reputable tire store and
buy a name brand tire that's on sale. I have not had personal good luck
with Firestone tires but have had good luck with Goodyear, Dunlop,
Bridgestone, Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, General, Cooper, etc.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

badgolferman wrote:

> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
> rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
> Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
> tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
> They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
> the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>
>
>

An educated comsumer is the best comsumer:

goto
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/ownersmanual.jsp

look in the window that says "Additional Tire Tech Articles"

read - become educated and minimize your chances are getting ripped off.

This site has more information on tires than you would ever want to know.

Question #3 - we have a 1999 Sienna and we are very happy with the
Dunlop Sport A2. We have Michelin Arctic Alpins for winter use.
Just remember to drive appropriately. Some people have complained about
how their Sienna does not handle like their Supra. Would you want to
guess why the Sienna would not handle like a Supra? Its just alittle too
obvious . . . here's your sign!

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37vcpeF5ik199U1@individual.net...
>> "Radial pull" is a catch-all phrase used to describe the condition
>> where a tire rolls to the left or right rather than in a straight
>> line. When describing the tendency for a vehicle to move to the left
>> or right, it is described as "pull," not push.
>>
>> Many things can cause the tire pull. If one tire shoulder has more
>> rolling resistance than the other shoulder, then the tire will pull
>> towards the side with less resistance. If the belts in the tire are
>> not oriented properly, it can pull. Uneven tread wear can
>> theoretically cause pull.
>>
>> Tire pull is sometimes less noticeable on the back than on the front
>> so it is certainly worth a try to put the offending tire on the back.
>>
>
> I think I'll do that.
>
>> The shop that checked your alignment should give you a printout with
>> before and after alignment specifications so you should make sure
>> that the "after" printout is within the specifications listed.
>>
>
> They did and it is.
>
>> As far as recommended tires, some posters recommend checking BBB, the
>> attorney general, doing background checks, etc. Dealership service
>> departments receive customer satisfaction ratings and I spent a lot
>> of time evaluating dealership service departments when I worked for
>> Toyota. Even without looking at all the reports, I could tell which
>> dealers had good scores and which ones had poor scores just by
>> hanging around the cashier and service advisor's desks when people
>> came by to pick up their cars. Some places always seem to have
>> customers complaining or questioning something, while some have
>> customers who just thank the people who worked on their car.
>>
>
> I don't buy tires from the dealer either. Last time I got them from Tire
> Rack, but I may try local store again this time.
>
>> When I need tires on my personal cars, I go to a reputable tire store
>> and buy a name brand tire that's on sale. I have not had personal
>> good luck with Firestone tires but have had good luck with Goodyear,
>> Dunlop, Bridgestone, Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, General, Cooper, etc.
>
> I have not had good tires from Firestone, Goodyear, Futura (Kelly?),
> General
> or Dunlop. I do like Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli. I might try Cooper
> this time. However, I was more interested in the actual model of tires
> for
> this van than the brand.
>
> Thank you Roy, that was an informative post.
>
You're welcome!
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.

Questions:
What causes a radial pull?
Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?

badgolferman wrote:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?

There we go again with the broken search engines. Gotta get that fixed.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=q=%22radial+pull%22+tire

Travis Jordan wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>> What causes a radial pull?
>> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
>
> There we go again with the broken search engines. Gotta get that
> fixed. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=q=%22radial+pull%22+tire

You're too helpful. If you don't have experience to share then just listen
to others who are willing to do so.

badgolferman wrote:
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?

What are your driving conditions? What's most important to you -
handling, tire life, traction, or road noise?

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:38:10 -0500, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

>My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
>rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
>Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
>tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
>They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
>the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
>Questions:
>What causes a radial pull?
>Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
>What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>

IMHO:

On tv there was a task force that targeted business's who scammed
elderly customers. An undercover old lady went into a mechanic shop
with one tire deflated, complaining about the steering was off-center.
And the scammers claimed she had radial pull, first charged her for a
new set of tires and alignment. She only started with a mis-matched
tire pressure.

Not saying this is the case with you, but if you think the tires are
at fault, having proof of such with the itemized bill, then you need
to contact the tire manufacture about it. You might not get anything
out of it, other than helping their quality control department.

BTW, you did do a BBB check on the dealership before ever getting work
done there, right?

later,

tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com

I experienced that same issue when a tire was replaced a few months ago. The
shop I bought it from didn't believe the new tire was faulty until I asked
them to switch the front tires. Then the car started pulling to the right
instead of the left. They replaced it again and that solved the issue.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in news:
37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...
> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
> rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
> Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
> tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
> They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
> the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>
>



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badgolferman wrote:
> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that
> are rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means

Douglas Tires are a private label brand sold by Wal-Mart.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:08:57 -0500, tom
<newsgroups01NOSPAM@intertainia.com> wrote:

>BTW, you did do a BBB check on the dealership before ever getting work
>done there, right?


No, he's pissed by 20-20 hindside.

But the shop charged for alignment checking, which require specialized
equipment. As the saying goes in my village, put that$ down for lesson
school.

BTW, I just spend nearly $300 for smog. Apparently the new SMOG II
spec requires more testing, more specialized equipment so the shop
charged me $90 bux for each test. Amazingly enough I did not question
this at the time, thinking oh well, it's goverment mandated and so all
shops must had raised their prices.... NO! I found later on, other
shops were doing it much, much cheaper..... Now that was one hunk of
a change for nu'thing, but it was my fault and no one else's for being
trusty.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...

> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?


Some info that might be helpful:
http://www.alldata.com/techtips/2001/20010801e.html

Ernie Sty wrote:
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...
>
>> Questions:
>> What causes a radial pull?
>> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
>> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>
>
> Some info that might be helpful:
> http://www.alldata.com/techtips/2001/20010801e.html

I read that already. It doesn't really answer my first two questions.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37ukjsF5i6d89U1@individual.net...
> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
> rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
> Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
> tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
> They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
> the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>

"Radial pull" is a catch-all phrase used to describe the condition where a
tire rolls to the left or right rather than in a straight line. When
describing the tendency for a vehicle to move to the left or right, it is
described as "pull," not push.

Many things can cause the tire pull. If one tire shoulder has more rolling
resistance than the other shoulder, then the tire will pull towards the side
with less resistance. If the belts in the tire are not oriented properly,
it can pull. Uneven tread wear can theoretically cause pull.

Tire pull is sometimes less noticeable on the back than on the front so it
is certainly worth a try to put the offending tire on the back.

The shop that checked your alignment should give you a printout with before
and after alignment specifications so you should make sure that the "after"
printout is within the specifications listed.

As far as recommended tires, some posters recommend checking BBB, the
attorney general, doing background checks, etc. Dealership service
departments receive customer satisfaction ratings and I spent a lot of time
evaluating dealership service departments when I worked for Toyota. Even
without looking at all the reports, I could tell which dealers had good
scores and which ones had poor scores just by hanging around the cashier and
service advisor's desks when people came by to pick up their cars. Some
places always seem to have customers complaining or questioning something,
while some have customers who just thank the people who worked on their car.

When I need tires on my personal cars, I go to a reputable tire store and
buy a name brand tire that's on sale. I have not had personal good luck
with Firestone tires but have had good luck with Goodyear, Dunlop,
Bridgestone, Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, General, Cooper, etc.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

badgolferman wrote:

> My recently bought 2000 Sienna came with Douglas Touring tires that are
> rather new. I never heard of them before but I guess that means nothing.
> Anyway, the van was pulling to the right and after an alignment the dealer
> tells me the tire has a radial pull. Other than the pull they ride okay.
> They diagnosed that after doing the alignment and then moving the tire to
> the other side. They charged me for the alignment and that pissed me off.
>
> Questions:
> What causes a radial pull?
> Well it help if I move the tire to the back?
> What tires do you recommend for 2000 Sienna LE?
>
>
>

An educated comsumer is the best comsumer:

goto
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/ownersmanual.jsp

look in the window that says "Additional Tire Tech Articles"

read - become educated and minimize your chances are getting ripped off.

This site has more information on tires than you would ever want to know.

Question #3 - we have a 1999 Sienna and we are very happy with the
Dunlop Sport A2. We have Michelin Arctic Alpins for winter use.
Just remember to drive appropriately. Some people have complained about
how their Sienna does not handle like their Supra. Would you want to
guess why the Sienna would not handle like a Supra? Its just alittle too
obvious . . . here's your sign!

> "Radial pull" is a catch-all phrase used to describe the condition
> where a tire rolls to the left or right rather than in a straight
> line. When describing the tendency for a vehicle to move to the left
> or right, it is described as "pull," not push.
>
> Many things can cause the tire pull. If one tire shoulder has more
> rolling resistance than the other shoulder, then the tire will pull
> towards the side with less resistance. If the belts in the tire are
> not oriented properly, it can pull. Uneven tread wear can
> theoretically cause pull.
>
> Tire pull is sometimes less noticeable on the back than on the front
> so it is certainly worth a try to put the offending tire on the back.
>

I think I'll do that.

> The shop that checked your alignment should give you a printout with
> before and after alignment specifications so you should make sure
> that the "after" printout is within the specifications listed.
>

They did and it is.

> As far as recommended tires, some posters recommend checking BBB, the
> attorney general, doing background checks, etc. Dealership service
> departments receive customer satisfaction ratings and I spent a lot
> of time evaluating dealership service departments when I worked for
> Toyota. Even without looking at all the reports, I could tell which
> dealers had good scores and which ones had poor scores just by
> hanging around the cashier and service advisor's desks when people
> came by to pick up their cars. Some places always seem to have
> customers complaining or questioning something, while some have
> customers who just thank the people who worked on their car.
>

I don't buy tires from the dealer either. Last time I got them from Tire
Rack, but I may try local store again this time.

> When I need tires on my personal cars, I go to a reputable tire store
> and buy a name brand tire that's on sale. I have not had personal
> good luck with Firestone tires but have had good luck with Goodyear,
> Dunlop, Bridgestone, Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, General, Cooper, etc.

I have not had good tires from Firestone, Goodyear, Futura (Kelly?), General
or Dunlop. I do like Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli. I might try Cooper
this time. However, I was more interested in the actual model of tires for
this van than the brand.

Thank you Roy, that was an informative post.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37vcpeF5ik199U1@individual.net...
>> "Radial pull" is a catch-all phrase used to describe the condition
>> where a tire rolls to the left or right rather than in a straight
>> line. When describing the tendency for a vehicle to move to the left
>> or right, it is described as "pull," not push.
>>
>> Many things can cause the tire pull. If one tire shoulder has more
>> rolling resistance than the other shoulder, then the tire will pull
>> towards the side with less resistance. If the belts in the tire are
>> not oriented properly, it can pull. Uneven tread wear can
>> theoretically cause pull.
>>
>> Tire pull is sometimes less noticeable on the back than on the front
>> so it is certainly worth a try to put the offending tire on the back.
>>
>
> I think I'll do that.
>
>> The shop that checked your alignment should give you a printout with
>> before and after alignment specifications so you should make sure
>> that the "after" printout is within the specifications listed.
>>
>
> They did and it is.
>
>> As far as recommended tires, some posters recommend checking BBB, the
>> attorney general, doing background checks, etc. Dealership service
>> departments receive customer satisfaction ratings and I spent a lot
>> of time evaluating dealership service departments when I worked for
>> Toyota. Even without looking at all the reports, I could tell which
>> dealers had good scores and which ones had poor scores just by
>> hanging around the cashier and service advisor's desks when people
>> came by to pick up their cars. Some places always seem to have
>> customers complaining or questioning something, while some have
>> customers who just thank the people who worked on their car.
>>
>
> I don't buy tires from the dealer either. Last time I got them from Tire
> Rack, but I may try local store again this time.
>
>> When I need tires on my personal cars, I go to a reputable tire store
>> and buy a name brand tire that's on sale. I have not had personal
>> good luck with Firestone tires but have had good luck with Goodyear,
>> Dunlop, Bridgestone, Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, General, Cooper, etc.
>
> I have not had good tires from Firestone, Goodyear, Futura (Kelly?),
> General
> or Dunlop. I do like Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli. I might try Cooper
> this time. However, I was more interested in the actual model of tires
> for
> this van than the brand.
>
> Thank you Roy, that was an informative post.
>
You're welcome!
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply