22RE - problem - H2O in #2 cylnder and oil

Has any one had this problem and know how to fix it or what is going
on?

I’ve got a 92 pickup with a 22RE motor. I just rebuilt the entire
motor (bearings pistons chain head etc). I started the rebuild b/c I
was getting H2O out the tail pipe from what I thought was a blown
headgasket. I had everything redone and tested; ei the block and head
and valves. Now it is all back together and I have the SAME
problem........ It is running great no CEL, idles perfect, just I’m
getting coolant into the exhaust.

any ideas????????

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In article <1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@autoforu mz.com>
UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com "frankzao" writes:

> [water coming out of tailpipe]
>
> any ideas????????

This sounds normal. Combustion produces water, along with those
more notorious products. It dribbles out of most exhausts, until
they become hot enough that it emerges as invisible steam. HTH.

(BTW, one reason why short trips encourage corrosion back there.)
--
Andrew Stephenson

ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) wrote in
news:1114571231snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk:

> In article <1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@autoforu mz.com>
> UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com "frankzao" writes:
>
>> [water coming out of tailpipe]
>>
>> any ideas????????
>
> This sounds normal. Combustion produces water, along with those
> more notorious products. It dribbles out of most exhausts, until
> they become hot enough that it emerges as invisible steam. HTH.
>


Except that our young feller says:
"...I’m getting coolant into the exhaust."

This appears to mean he's getting much more than just water.

--
TeGGeR®

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

>ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) wrote in
>news:1114571231snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk:
>
>> In article <1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@autoforu mz.com>
>> UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com "frankzao" writes:
>>
>>> [water coming out of tailpipe]
>>>
>>> any ideas????????
>>
>> This sounds normal. Combustion produces water, along with those
>> more notorious products. It dribbles out of most exhausts, until
>> they become hot enough that it emerges as invisible steam. HTH.
>>
>
>
>Except that our young feller says:
>"...I’m getting coolant into the exhaust."
>
>This appears to mean he's getting much more than just water.

Perhaps he just thinks it's coolant (unless his coolant IS just
water?)

He DOES call it H2O, doesn't he? (sounds like water to me)

-Gord.

"I'm trying to get as old as I can,
and it must be working 'cause I'm
the oldest now that I've ever been"

"frankzao" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@aut oforumz.com...
> Has any one had this problem and know how to fix it or what is going
> on?
>
> I've got a 92 pickup with a 22RE motor. I just rebuilt the entire
> motor (bearings pistons chain head etc). I started the rebuild b/c I
> was getting H2O out the tail pipe from what I thought was a blown
> headgasket. I had everything redone and tested; ei the block and head
> and valves. Now it is all back together and I have the SAME
> problem........ It is running great no CEL, idles perfect, just I'm
> getting coolant into the exhaust.
>
> any ideas????????
>

When you originally pulled the head, did the HG show signs of leaking? How
were the block and head tested?
Were the tops of the pistons real clean? Was there coolant in the oil or
vice versa before the rebuild or now? Are coolant and engine oil levels
going up or down before the rebuild or now? If you pull the plugs, can you
smell coolant on any of them? Have you run the engine long enough after the
rebuild to get rid of any residual coolant in the exhaust?
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

Water in the cylinder and the oil is a sign of a blown head gasket. You
should have overheating problems too. If you don't have overheating problems
now, you will soon.

If you get water out the tail pipe on initial start up in the morning, or
anytime of day, then this is condensation that is being blown out. This is
not a problem.

I replied to the Subject line, then read the entire post. I see no reference
in your post to water in the engine or the oil, it's just in the exhaust
pipe as far as I can see. If this is accurate, then you have no worries,
except that the condensation in the exhaust system can cause you to need new
exhaust parts soon. I suspect you have leaks in it already, but that is
another topic.




"frankzao" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@aut oforumz.com...
> Has any one had this problem and know how to fix it or what is going
> on?
>
> I've got a 92 pickup with a 22RE motor. I just rebuilt the entire
> motor (bearings pistons chain head etc). I started the rebuild b/c I
> was getting H2O out the tail pipe from what I thought was a blown
> headgasket. I had everything redone and tested; ei the block and head
> and valves. Now it is all back together and I have the SAME
> problem........ It is running great no CEL, idles perfect, just I'm
> getting coolant into the exhaust.
>
> any ideas????????
>

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9644F05619D86tegger@207.14.113.17...
> ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) wrote in
> news:1114571231snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk:
>
> > In article <1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@autoforu mz.com>
> > UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com "frankzao" writes:
> >
> >> [water coming out of tailpipe]
> >>
> >> any ideas????????
> >
> > This sounds normal. Combustion produces water, along with those
> > more notorious products. It dribbles out of most exhausts, until
> > they become hot enough that it emerges as invisible steam. HTH.
> >
>
>
> Except that our young feller says:
> "...I'm getting coolant into the exhaust."
>

He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant or if
it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.

"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
snip

>He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant or if
>it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.
>

OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...

--

--Gord
(use gordon in email)

"Without detonation, your car won't
move. That's what makes engines go".

"In my car, the high octane fuel detonates
better than the lower octane grades.
Fortunately for me, it doesn't PREVENT DETONATION".

-Burnore.

>Yes, Detonation is a normal condition and
>it occurs every time you have ignition,


-Josh

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant or
if
> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.
> >
>
> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>

Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?

I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe on
start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but based
on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.

"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:

>
>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>> snip
>>
>> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant or
>if
>> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.
>> >
>>
>> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>>
>
>Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
>straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?
>
>I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe on
>start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but based
>on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.
>
That's my gut feeling too...

-Gord.

"I'm trying to get as old as I can,
and it must be working 'cause I'm
the oldest now that I've ever been"

In article <H5adnamnrfyjXfLfRVn-tg@ez2.net>
spamcatcher@yahoo.net "Jeff Strickland" writes:

> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9644F05619D86tegger@207.14.113.17...
> > ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) wrote in
> > news:1114571231snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk:
> >
> > > In article <1_570061_99dad883bf12a3344d73efe59ec498f6@autoforu mz.com>
> > > UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com "frankzao" writes:
> > >
> > >> [water coming out of tailpipe]
> > >>
> > >> any ideas????????
> > >
> > > This sounds normal. Combustion produces water, along with those
> > > more notorious products. It dribbles out of most exhausts, until
> > > they become hot enough that it emerges as invisible steam. HTH.
> >
> > Except that our young feller says:
> > "...I'm getting coolant into the exhaust."
>
> He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is
> coolant or if it is normal water vapor that comes out when a
> cold engine is started.

You're right; he did; zot. My apologies if I set the dogs on the
wrong scent trail.
--
Andrew Stephenson

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:842071d0nflteritidanrm9o1e78lmor55@4ax.com...
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant
>>> >or
>>if
>>> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.
>>> >
>>>
>>> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>>>
>>
>>Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
>>straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?
>>
>>I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe on
>>start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but
>>based
>>on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.
>>
> That's my gut feeling too...
>
> -Gord.
>
I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all, how
may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that mechanically
inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with his
own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:

>
>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:842071d0nflteritidanrm9o1e78lmor55@4ax.com...
>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant
>>>> >or
>>>if
>>>> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is started.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
>>>straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?
>>>
>>>I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe on
>>>start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but
>>>based
>>>on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.
>>>
>> That's my gut feeling too...
>>
>> -Gord.
>>
>I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all, how
>may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
>rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that mechanically
>inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
>exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with his
>own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.

Don't think so Ray...read his first post carefully, I think he
paid to have it done...not the brightest decision ever made by
mankind I'd say (if I'm right)
--

-Gord

"Old age is not for sissies"

-Art Linkletter(?)

Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in
news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com:

> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> snip
>
>>He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant
>>or if it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is
>>started.
>>
>
> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>


OR... Maybe his coolant is akka-haul. :)

--
TeGGeR®

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:lcb071l5m3eh9jvcu6mmchoqigiuj4s5en@4ax.com...
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:842071d0nflteritidanrm9o1e78lmor55@4ax.com...
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
>>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant
>>>>> >or
>>>>if
>>>>> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is
>>>>> >started.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
>>>>straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>>I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe
>>>>on
>>>>start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but
>>>>based
>>>>on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.
>>>>
>>> That's my gut feeling too...
>>>
>>> -Gord.
>>>
>>I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all,
>>how
>>may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
>>rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that
>>mechanically
>>inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
>>exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with
>>his
>>own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.
>
> Don't think so Ray...read his first post carefully, I think he
> paid to have it done...not the brightest decision ever made by
> mankind I'd say (if I'm right)
> --
>
> -Gord
>
I've lost the first post. Anyone that would pay to overhaul an engine that
old probably wouldn't know the difference between coolant and water. Of
course, someone accepting money for the job might not be the most scrupulous
tech out there so who knows if the work was even done?
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

It would be nice if the original querant now posted a comment on
our subsequent discussion: to help things along, as it were. Or
was it a drive-by posting?
--
Andrew Stephenson

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message
news:d4a6f$42701c26$44a4a10d$18223@msgid.meganewss ervers.com...
>
> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
> news:842071d0nflteritidanrm9o1e78lmor55@4ax.com...
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:a9rv61pm06rnhm440i2339c1hq7q1oaeph@4ax.com...
> >>> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >>> snip
> >>>
> >>> >He said "coolant", but we can't really tell if he knows it is coolant
> >>> >or
> >>if
> >>> >it is normal water vapor that comes out when a cold engine is
started.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> OR... maybe his coolant IS water?...
> >>>
> >>
> >>Well, while that is entirely possible, I suspect it is not true. Isn't
> >>straight water in an aluminum engine a bad thing?
> >>
> >>I suspect he is seeing normal condensation coming out of the tail pipe
on
> >>start up. I hope not, because he rebuilt the engine because of it, but
> >>based
> >>on what we know so far, this is my guess and I'm sticking to it.
> >>
> > That's my gut feeling too...
> >
> > -Gord.
> >
> I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all,
how
> may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
> rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that
mechanically
> inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
> exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with
his
> own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.
> --


It's comforting to think that if one actually HAS the ability to rebuild a
motor, then he or she would recognize normal condensation dripping from the
tail pipe on start up. But the description, without any further detail,
sounds like condensation dripping out the tail pipe, and not like anything
that demands rebuilding the motor.

I have to admit that I am a bit confused here. The Subject Line talks about
water in the oil and in a cylinder, and this points to a cracked head and/or
a head gasket problem, but the story he told makes no mention of these
issues and only points out the water dripping out of the tail pipe. given
the Subject Line, rebuilding the motor is a reasonable approach, but given
the story told in the body of the message, I am not sure that rebuilding was
the correct approach at all.

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:lcb071l5m3eh9jvcu6mmchoqigiuj4s5en@4ax.com...
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
> >>
> >I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all,
how
> >may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
> >rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that
mechanically
> >inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
> >exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with
his
> >own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.
>
> Don't think so Ray...read his first post carefully, I think he
> paid to have it done...not the brightest decision ever made by
> mankind I'd say (if I'm right)
> --


I'm with Ray on this one. I got the impression the OP did the work himself.
It appears he took the head out for inspection, but I got the feeling that
he took the motor apart and put it back together.

Not that this makes the decision any brighter, by the way.

"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:

>
>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:lcb071l5m3eh9jvcu6mmchoqigiuj4s5en@4ax.com...
>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >I got the impression that the OP rebuilt the engine himself. After all,
>how
>> >may people would pay to rebuild an engine that old? Assuming that the OP
>> >rebuilt the engine him or herself, how many people who are that
>mechanically
>> >inclined don't know the difference between normal condensation in the
>> >exhaust and coolant? That's like saying a guy who built his house with
>his
>> >own hands doesn't know the difference between a drywall and wood screw.
>>
>> Don't think so Ray...read his first post carefully, I think he
>> paid to have it done...not the brightest decision ever made by
>> mankind I'd say (if I'm right)
>> --
>
>
>I'm with Ray on this one. I got the impression the OP did the work himself.
>It appears he took the head out for inspection, but I got the feeling that
>he took the motor apart and put it back together.
>
>Not that this makes the decision any brighter, by the way.
>
>
>
Could be...in any case we don't really have a lot of info...

--

--Gord
(use gordon in email)

"Without detonation, your car won't
move. That's what makes engines go".

"In my car, the high octane fuel detonates
better than the lower octane grades.
Fortunately for me, it doesn't PREVENT DETONATION".

-Burnore.

>Yes, Detonation is a normal condition and
>it occurs every time you have ignition,


-Josh

"frankzao" wrote:
> Has any one had this problem and know how to fix it or what is
> going on?
>
> I've got a 92 pickup with a 22RE motor. I just rebuilt the
> entire motor (bearings pistons chain head etc). I started the
> rebuild b/c I was getting H2O out the tail pipe from what I
> thought was a blown headgasket. I had everything redone and
> tested; ei the block and head and valves. Now it is all back
> together and I have the SAME problem........ It is running
> great no CEL, idles perfect, just I'm getting coolant into the
> exhaust.
>
> any ideas????????

I have a similar problem with my 90 pick-up 22re... Started out as a
strange idle anomally and progressed to chocolate milkshake
surprise... I am currently in trthe process of a rebuild and I can
sypathize... If i copmplete my rebuild it it showed the slightest
signs of a relapse I probably would douce the fucker in gasoline and
mover on with my life... But I love my little truck and i love that
motor... here are my concerns/questions. 1. did you have the block
checked for cracks or damage? 2. was there damage to your timing chain
sprockets or cheap plastic guides? 3. did you pull you pan off and
check for debris in your oil pickup??? 4 when you pulled the head
bolts out were they soaked in oil or coolant or exhaust carbon? This
is the doosie... If water or coolent as you say is still getting
passed your rings or head gasket then first of all your idle would be
interupted(water dosnt like to burn) water burning would come out as
smoke or steam. If it was leaking pass4ed the rings there woiuld be
oil as well which would also caused a bit of a cough in yoiur
exhaust... Water itself dripping out of your exhaust (is a bitch) is a
common problem... I hate the idea myself cause i know its eating away
at that brand new custm exhaust and rusting away my new muffler. It is
nomal... look around. Look at cabs or courier cars they always have
water comin out... because they spend so much time idling and only
driving short distances... dont give up... If it turns out to be nomal
water try asking your local muffler expert about making your exhaust
water free.
Love your toyota
wanker