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Old 03-20-2008, 03:04 AM   #1
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DOA Timing Kit

To anyone with experience,

I have a 1989 Toyota Pickup 4cyl 5 speed extended cab 4wd with a 22R-E motor. The motor has 345,000 kilometres on it. I began to lose power and hesitate and jump during acceleration so I did a tune up, put a new fuel filter on, new ignition coil, all to no avail. I went to the dealership and the mechanic said the fuel pressure and air flow meter are okay, but he can't set the timing properly or the tps will not not allow base idle for timing set.

The timing chain is noisy and spark advance improper and he thinks the timing chain guides have broken and the the timing chain has jumped. I bought a DOA timing set with the metal guides.

My question is, if the timing chain has already jumped, how difficult will it be to set the timing when installing the new timing set? I can still drive the truck, but it's rattling like a diesel and has no power at all. Is it worth it to put the new timing set on my motor, or should I get a motor with less mileage on it and put the timing set on that? Any input would be much appreciated.

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Joe
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You don't need the DOA timing chain kit for the 1985-95 Toyota 22R-E engines found in the 1985 Celica and 1985-95 Toyota 4-Runners and pickups as they are "heavy duty" and cost more unless you are hard on your engine or do serious off-roading then is no need to spend the extra money.

Your engine probably has jumped a timing chain tooth and when replacing the timing chain kit it's very easy to set timing,see links below for full details.I suggest you keep your existing engine and just change the timing chain kit and headgasket.These engines are some of the best ever made and will give you 1 million miles.

Most engine wear on any engine occurs at startup with that said the R series Toyota engines such as the 18R,20R and 22R all use a timing chain which it's tension is supplied by hydraulically driven timing chain tensioner which has it's oil pressure build up few seconds after the engine has started therefore the timing chain rubs on the driver's side brown colored nylon/plastic timing chain dampener or guide and after so many miles (140-170 000 miles in the city with the average 4 starts per day) the driver's side guide breaks through causing the chain to rub on the timing chain cover for the first few seconds upon startup and when driving in 5th gear and letting off the gas.

Usually by this point the other timing components such as the camshaft sprocket, crankshaft sprocket and chain have their specs out of tolerance and hence must be replaced as well. The tensioner sometimes sticks due to dirt build up and other problems arise as well and must be replaced as well, all of those parts are sold in the aftermarket world as a "timing chain kit" which also include gaskets and a front oil crankshaft seal. Toyota on the other hand for some reason does not sell the parts as a kit but as individual parts which would cost around $400+ and from all of the reading I have done on many Toyota 4-Runner/pickup discussion sites I have come to the conclusion that many experienced off-roaders who cannot afford to buy all of the genuine Toyota timing parts instead buy the chain and tensioner from Toyota and the other parts from aftermarket as a kit but of course don't use the aftermarket chain or tensioner.

The best brand of aftermarket timing chain parts to use on the 20R & 22R series Toyota motors are:

http://www.engnbldr.com
http://www.22r.biz
http://www.mizumoauto.com
http://www.rpmrons.com/toyotatiming.html

and if you choose to buy from Toyota these places have the best prices in the USA & probably the whole world:

http://www.toyotapartsales.com (1-866-221-4696)
http://www.1sttoyotaparts.com/partscat.html (10% shipping by Fed Ex or free shipping with $100 & over speak to Roger at 1-888-271-3948)
http://www.toyotadiscountparts.com (free shipping with $100 & up)
http://www.toyotapartsandservice.com (part # lookup)

Other ways to check timing chain wear are:

http://www.misterfixit.com/chanslop.htm

you can also remove the valve cover and take a flashlight and see if the driver's side timing chain dampener or guide wore through.

You can bend 1 to all 8 valves and have timing cover eaten through if you wait and then coolant and oil mix together to give you butterflies in your stomach. You can do a fluid analysis on your engine oil by going to any Caterpillar and buying a fluid analysis kit for around $15-20 and taking a sample of your old oil.

Finally these sites explain the timing chain replacement well:

http://yotarepair.com/22R%20timingchain.html
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ingChain.shtml
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/timingchain
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/reviews/doatimingchain

Make sure you use 50% Toyota long life red low silicates radiator coolant to reduce corrosion build up on the tiny water bypass passages found in the aluminum cylinder head and preferably 50% distilled water, rain water or snow water.

I would pour the mixed coolant & water combination into the thermostat hole until full then install new stat and stat cover/hose tighten up. Start the truck on an incline or car ramps and start pouring mixed coolant & water combo into radiator almost to the neck wait for stat to open which is about 10 minutes of idling then turn your heater on to high and hot (as well as your back seat heater controls for those with 4-Runners) and rev the engine back and forth but not too high. Re-top the coolant and continue to do so for one or more stat cycles.

Finally turn the heater control from hot to cold repeatedly and from high to low and place about half mixed coolant & water into overflow bottle and place stat cap back on, take for a test drive.Once engine has cooled off check the rad level and overflow bottle.

Toyota Pickup Found in Alaska River, Runs!:

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/novelti...uns-136733.php

1991 Toyota 2wd pickup with over 1 million miles:

http://www.racetoretirement.org

In North America the 22R & 22R-E s are used in the following:

22R
1981-82 Toyota Corona
1981-83 Celica
1981-87 Toyota pickup (up to 1990 on 2wd)
1984-87 Toyota 4-Runner

22R-E (22REC=California emissions=extra charcoal canister)
1983-85 Celica
1985-95 Toyota pickup
1985-95 Toyota 4-Runner

22RTE (Turbo EFI)
1985-87 Toyota pickup
1985-87 Toyota 4-Runner

Any Public Library in your area would have the Factory service manual, Haynes,Chiltons,Mitchells,Clymers, Bentley and Toyota repair books.For the Dartmouth/Halifax area:

http://www.halifaxpubliclibraries.ca...nt/view/29/49/
http://find.galegroup.com/menu/start...main&prod=CHLL
http://www.chiltonlibrary.com/Index.aspx

Free AutoZone service manuals at:

http://www1.autozone.com/servlet/UiB...pair_guide.jsp

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Hi Sidney,

Thanks very much for all the information. Extremely helpful. I'm going to stick with my engine and instal the new DOA timing kit since I already bought it. I might as well replace the head gasket too. I see you're in Dartmouth. I'm in Halifax. Can you recommend any mechanics in the metro area that know toyotas well and will do this job for me without charging dealership prices? I'm keen to get the truck ship shape for fishing season.

Thanks again,

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Hi Sidney,

Thanks very much for all the information. Extremely helpful. I'm going to stick with my engine and instal the new DOA timing kit since I already bought it. I might as well replace the head gasket too. I see you're in Dartmouth. I'm in Halifax. Can you recommend any mechanics in the metro area that know toyotas well and will do this job for me without charging dealership prices? I'm keen to get the truck ship shape for fishing season.

Thanks again,

Joe
Around here many people HIGHLY RECOMMEND two garages:

Laurie's Complete Automotive Service
219 Wyse Rd
Dartmouth
466-1444

Hydrostone Auto Repair (new location)
5684 West Street at Agricola St (across from the Fire Station)
Halifax,NS B3K 1H7
Ph:454-9773

Wayne Rawding was voted best (most honest) mechanic by "The Coast"
magazine year after year I believe from 2000 up to 2003:

http://www.thecoast.ca/issues/061103/feature.html

I copied & pasted the reviews:

"Best mechanic
Wayne Rawding
Hydrostone Auto, 5516 Kaye, 454-9773

With 20 years experience under his tool belt, Wayne Rawding is your choice for who to take your car to when it's making those strange noises. Best of all, Rawding guarantees his work. He worked at the Shell Station on Young and the Gulf Station on Inglis before settling down at Hydrostone Auto. A good mechanic is hard to find, that's why Rawding's customers follow him wherever he goes and voted him best car doctor in the HRM this year."

For more references:

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.ge...94f 8e95378ae

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.fo...52b478f5fea2f4

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.ge...efcfed4377e3e5

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.ge...5d4 175350cf6

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.fo...371 fe69b6296

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.fo...57a f5a53ba3d

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.ge...3f2 c0a80499e

http://groups.google.ca/group/hfx.ge...409 de74b4749

http://groups.google.com/group/hfx.g...da6fc56a9e444d

http://groups.google.com/group/hfx.g...9c0c278651d187

I deal with Laurie's Automotive for repairs I can't do and for yearly MVI inspections,they are very honest,both garages don't specialize in Toyotas but the 22R & 22R-E engines have been around for a very long time so they have experience in them.How much do they charge for timing chain replacement? my wild guess would be $600-800+tx since you already have the parts,I know it's alot but cost of living around here keeps rising everyday besides it's a very time consuming repair that is the downfall to the famous 22R series of Toyota engines is the big job in replacing the timing chain kit.

I suggest you place a free wanted ad in the local free buy & sell classified papers,websites and community cork/tack boards found in public places like ferry terminal,libraries,banks,shopping malls,etc and look for someone who off-roads their Toyota 4-Runner or pickup as they would replace your timing chain kit for a couple cases of beer no joke or trade services with you, what do you do for a living?. If you need the list of free classifieds just let me know and I will post it here.

By the way edit your profile to include the city you are in and for local fishing discussion sites:

http://sportfishing.mynovascotia.net
http://www.novascotiafishing.com/forum
http://www.novascotiahunting.com/forum
http://www.animatedknots.com

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Hey Sidney,

Thanks a lot for all your help. I'm looking into finding someone who is into offroading toyotas but I may bite the bullet and pay for the job to be done. I live near the hydrostone so I'm going tomorrow to ask if Wayne can do it. I'm a writer by trade, so I'm not sure what services are of interest to toyota experts, but you never know. I just bought my truck about six months ago and love it. I don't have a garage but I'm having fun learning and doing what I can outside. Can't wait for the weather to warm up. I'm also going to update my profile tonight.

Again, thanks for the advice and the wealth of knowledge. If you ever need something written or edited, let me know.

Take care,

Joe
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