AE86 revival?

[Gekko]

Yeah, I fully agree with wath Razo-E says.

I do not drive a Toyota because they (by the opinion of some people) make the best cars. I mean. If the Italians could make cars that didn't break down after 150k, i would drive a Italian car. If the germans make a car that is normal priced and have better MPG compared with the competition I would drive a german car.

I bought a Toyota because people say they don't break down as often as other cars.

Just filling in the answer for those guys who are going to say: why didn't you choose another Japanes brand. The simple answer is that Toyota (try to) enforce there quality on there non-Japanese plants. Cars that are build in britain of turkey should have the same quality as those build in Japan. As for other manufactures, cars build in other countries (as example Nissans build in britain) had the reputation of beeing of less qualitity. Never seen figures on that, but hey... ...when do you guys not go on tips from friends and family. My whole family is driving Toyota (except the imported family members like my brother in law.. ..Ford fanatic..) and never had a bad experience with them.

[ECHOKnight2000]

Originally Posted by Christian87N

as for the stupid comments about IF lexus pops out the F series, go to clublexus.com and check out their section about it. Look for the link with the IS-F video and shut up. Better yet, let me give it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjD1C1PEqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAURv...related&search=

you want to talk about power, forget the cars, talk about the engines that power them. You want apples to apples, then compare the Corvette engine in the C6 to the engine in the IS-F. 400 horsepower each, sure, but look at how power is produced. Vette engine producing 400 hp out of a 6liter compared to an IS-F engine producing 400hp out of a 5 liter. You want to keep talking mess?

That IS-F is damn sexy! I'm soooooo happy Lexus is bringing out a true sports car or performance car, can't wait for the reviews. I had to take a cold shower after that into video

[Razo-E]

yeah, Toyota's definitely nice, my Supra's nearly at 241,000 miles, and I still haul ass daily, and it keeps coming back for more..

But i know my car is my car, and anything else put out by them is it's own vehicle..

Bragging about car companies is like bragging about your friend's hot girlfriend, yeah nice for him, but it doesn't benefit you in anyway...

[DougDangger]

Originally Posted by Christian87N

Isn't this supposed to be the forum where we talk about the rumors of an upcoming AE86? Since when does name calling and comparisons with other cars have anything to do with the 86?

as for the stupid comments about IF lexus pops out the F series, go to clublexus.com and check out their section about it. Look for the link with the IS-F video and shut up. Better yet, let me give it to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjD1C1PEqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAURv...related&search=

Ooooh, "sounds" intimidating. Wake me up when it actually runs.

you want to talk about power, forget the cars, talk about the engines that power them. You want apples to apples, then compare the Corvette engine in the C6 to the engine in the IS-F. 400 horsepower each, sure, but look at how power is produced. Vette engine producing 400 hp out of a 6liter compared to an IS-F engine producing 400hp out of a 5 liter. You want to keep talking mess?

The C6 produces 400hp and 400ft-lbs of torque. You toyota is 50ft-lbs less. Oh, by the way, you can get a C6 for $44,000 and your Lexus will run you in the high $50K. Awww... how sad. You mean the CHEAPER 3 year old CTS-V will still eat your late comer Lexus alive?

[DougDangger]

Originally Posted by Razo-E

2nd, Toyota doesn't NEED to do shit, except what they've been doing since they started because obviously it's working...

You mean putting people to sleep? You got that right.

3rd, Horsepower doesn't mean shit if the car sucks, or is not sporty.

Your 108hp Yaris will certainly outlast an Enzo, it doesn't mean it'll raise adrenaline levels.

4th, The AE86 GTS was never a sports car, it was a better version of the Corolla, just like the XRS, except the XRS is front-wheel drive, and offers no torque.

The Corolla XRS is a pathetic attempt for Toyota to compete with the other "real" sports sedans. $20,000 for a 165hp Corolla?
Atleast the 1986 Corolla 3dr offered RWD and "good" performance in its time. The XRS Corolla didn't run any quicker than some soccer mom suv or minivans. Not to mention there are many other cars that perform better. The 86 Corolla also was a great deal in its time, not the XRS Corolla. Toyota just didn't try hard enough.

5th, Toyota has the money and the knowledge, and the ability to blow everyone else out the water, but THEY DON'T, why? Who the fuck knows, but it sure as hell isnt going to get the nut-swingers a new car built...

Because they are fucking idiots. Toyota has no balls just like majority of their fanboys.

as for the 3s-gte, there were 2 hp ratings..

180~190 for the ST165 Celica All-Trac, and 200 or so for the MR2 turbo/ST185 All-Trac..

Thank you captain obvious, so what was your point?

Im also tired of people bitching about 'let's see it take a corner'

Let's see a Japanese car at the drag strip. Saying a car doesn't need to accelerate fast because it can take a corner better is like saying it doesnt matter if your dick's tiny, cause you have a huge cum shot..

"I may have a small penis, but I shoot out a gallon" That's quite sad.

please, Corvette Z06' and Viper Coupes were made for the tracks, end of discussion..

They also eat ANYTHING up to 3X their price tag on or off the track.

Just because you drive a car made by a Japanese company doesn't mean you've been chosen as the ambassador to Japan, and need to defend it to the death...

Real car enthusiasts will acknowledge the strengths and weakness of cars, fanboys remain blind.

[Razo-E]

exactly..

I'd take a 68 Camaro over a MKIV Supra any day of the week...

I love American cars as much, if not more than imports..

the only difference is I personally own an import at the moment..

I dont buy into that 'Us vs Them" shit, if I love the car, then I love the car, it doesn't matter where it originates from...

[Christian87N]

Originally Posted by DougDangger

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Real car enthusiasts will acknowledge the strengths and weakness of cars, fanboys remain blind.

You speak the truth there when you say that. And just like Razo, at the present time i own an import which is my RX300 AWD which to this day has not ever let me down. BUT i am also considering one of two right now which is either a last gen z06 that a friend is selling or an 04/05 Lexus IS300. Whichever one i get will be decided on not who it originates from, but how it fits me right now, and to tell the truth, they are both equal right now.

[Wraith]

lol... I like that saying Toyota has gone Buick...
kinda sad but its true

[majortom1981]

in relation to the is-f

how much of the corvettes hp gets to its wheels?

I thought the engines hp ment nothing if only say 75 percent of that hp got to the wheels.

Remember the corvette is mainly a sports car .The lexus will be a luxury car with that performance. In the lexus you will get slightly less performance then a corvette but with more features then the corvette.

ALSO for me this has one thing going over a corvette, its a four door meaning i can sit 4 (maybe 5) in the car . -

[Bugmenot]

Originally Posted by DougDangger

Ooooh, "sounds" intimidating. Wake me up when it actually runs.


The C6 produces 400hp and 400ft-lbs of torque. You toyota is 50ft-lbs less. Oh, by the way, you can get a C6 for $44,000 and your Lexus will run you in the high $50K. Awww... how sad. You mean the CHEAPER 3 year old CTS-V will still eat your late comer Lexus alive?

Dude, it's not always about going in a straight line. It also has to do turns too. In fact I think the Corvette is over priced. Even with its pushrod old tech engine, cheap interior, leaf springs, Gm should be able to assemble the car very cheaply and yet they charge 44 grand. If Lexus had to build a 6L engine they can probably get it to around 500HP and maybe 430lb-ft.

I hope you get your CTS-V and run into this situation:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...a500aa04d9.htm

with high depreciation rate and money down the drain.

Also, about the Corvette 6L getting that 18/28 fuel consumption? They cheated by using a system called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) where the transmission purposely upshifts from 1st directly to 4th without getting the gears in between. Wow, I never thought a car company would do something this low to deceive someone like DougDangger. I feel sad for you, pal.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by DougDangger

You obviously don't know jack shit about off roading.

You obviously don't know jack shit about life. Go on youtube and look up "trail rated jeep". You'll see a good "off roader" literally fall apart right before your eyes.

[Razo-E]

Originally Posted by Bugmenot

Also, about the Corvette 6L getting that 18/28 fuel consumption? They cheated by using a system called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) where the transmission purposely upshifts from 1st directly to 4th without getting the gears in between. Wow, I never thought a car company would do something this low to deceive someone like DougDangger. I feel sad for you, pal.

and OBVIOUSLY it works, now doesn't it? You don't have to peel the fuck out at every damn stop-light. What's so different between this system and Toyota using hybrid technology? They're using a battery, to power the car, to get better gas mileage. Oh my goodness, i never thought a car company would do something that low, to get better gas mileage. Why go hybrid when diesels get the same if not better gas mileage? Your argument holds no water other than to just disagree with DougDangger....

[Bugmenot]

Originally Posted by Razo-E

and OBVIOUSLY it works, now doesn't it? You don't have to peel the fuck out at every damn stop-light. What's so different between this system and Toyota using hybrid technology? They're using a battery, to power the car, to get better gas mileage. Oh my goodness, i never thought a car company would do something that low, to get better gas mileage. Why go hybrid when diesels get the same if not better gas mileage? Your argument holds no water other than to just disagree with DougDangger....

I'm just trying to proof a point that its nothing special, some of these guys are making it sound like the Corvette actually get that kind of mpg in real world driving. It's all in the gear ratio in the transmission. Do you think that people who can buy a Corvette likes to drive at 19mph all the time? They buy it to go fast and I'm sure they don't like it when the transmission upshifts two gears for them. That is why you see alot of owners try to disable the thing. If the IS-F or any high displacement sports cars were to do the same thing we will all be getting 35mpg sports cars.

For this I stand by my argument.

[Bugmenot]

Razo-E, your point about Toyota's hybrid. I agree, Lexus shouldn't of advertised it's hybrid technology as a fuel saver in its models but instead promote it as a performance enhancement feature because it does improve on performance without sacrificing too much on fuel economy. Though, Hybrids can improve on fuel economy with great examples like the Prius and Camry because they use smaller displacement efficient engines, keeping weight down and rely more on the generators.

[Razo-E]

Originally Posted by Bugmenot

Do you think that people who can buy a Corvette likes to drive at 19mph all the time? They buy it to go fast and I'm sure they don't like it when the transmission upshifts two gears for them. That is why you see alot of owners try to disable the thing.

YES, they do drive like Grandma's...

my neighbor has an 04 Z06, and he babies the damn thing, never peeling out, or driving crazy, and he rarely fills up...