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Based on a current 5:1 ratio in 1/2 ton sales, NO HD's from Yota....not now...ever? And the fact that Tundra sales are falling short and likely will continue to now that people are going to wonder if they have a faulty camshaft, I don't think GM or Ford have anything to worry about, especially since they are making excellent trucks and next year's new F150 will likely trump both the GMT900's and the Tundra in typical leapfrog fashion. This is definetly Toyota's best attempt to enter the American truck market compared to the T100 and 1st gen Tundra, but it has still come up short, again.
You don't understand Toyota. They don't want, nor plan to, take over the truck market overnight. It's a multi decade project to have the best selling truck.
Like i said. Good luck with ever.
oh and the 3/4 ton is in developement now, and a diesel is comming too.
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I am very surprised to see a "Toyota official" here to reassure us that Toyota Corporate is on top of things. On the surface it seems genuine, yet I get an eerie feeling it is more "damage control" than "reassurance". Not one “Toyota official” response/post here on TN for engine sludge, 6-speed transmission flares, or mis-manufactured ball joints. . . . .yet we get a “we have things under control, move along” post concerning an issue that effects 67 thousandths of a percent of Toyota’s “most important vehicle launce ever” Tundra. . . . . . Am I the only cynic here?
.067% of the trucks sold with the 5.7l had a cam "snap", not a significant number. Toyota is doing the right thing by replacing the entire engine, so kudo’s them for going above and beyond what was expected (I would even go so far to say I doubt any other manufacture would do the same). Is this going to hurt sales? Probably not. Does this give domestic “fanboys” reason to cheer and fodder to poke fun that their co-workers who own new Tundra’s. . . .you bet. Toyota needed this launch to go flawless, and is has been anything but . . . . .
I give it 5 posts before Captain Toyota chimes in with his predictable “he’s a basher, never mind him” speech. C’mon captain, let’s here it. . . .
**EDIT** I apologize tmsusa, it seems you have responded to the faulty transmissions issue I referred to above. Thanks for being the voice of Toyota Corporate here on TN. Kudo's to TN for being influential enough to deserve a dedicated Toyota representative.
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You don't understand Toyota. They don't want, nor plan to, take over the truck market overnight. It's a multi decade project to have the best selling truck.
Like i said. Good luck with ever.
oh and the 3/4 ton is in developement now, and a diesel is comming too.
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And look how far they are after what? 2 decades? Barely any further than they were when they introduced the T100. At this rate, I don't care, I'll be long gone by the time they even get close. Also, they are up against a much fiercer foe this time, leapfrogging the domestic cars in the 70s and 80s was no great feat. Now they are up against far superior vehicles.
Let's see, by last count, I am still at ONE thing the Toyota can do that my truck can't...and that is 0.7 secs better in 0-60 time. BFD!!! How practical is that? Now, shall I begin counting the practical features in my truck that are not even available in a Tundra?
1. Onstar
2. Eaton rear Locking Diff.
3. FBF
4. Autotrac Automatic 4WD transfer case.
5. Heated washer fluid.
6. Rainsense Wipers.
7. 12 way dual power seats
8. 4mm Panel gaps (vs 8-10mm on Tundra). (Ok, not practical maybe, but an indicator of a better built truck with better fit-n-finish)
9. 5 star frontal crash test rating.
10. Better warranty (imagine that!! since Toyota is supposedly so much more reliable).
11. AFM
Plus, GM has more engine/drivetrain offerings (including E85 and Hybrids (classic bodystyle)). No exposed boltheads in bed (haven't had these since 1988).
I've heard the Tundra HD development is on HOLD. GM also has a 1/2 ton diesel coming (one M in coming BTW). And IF toyoyo adds a 3/4 ton, that's hardly an entry in HDs, how about 3500's (1 tons) and dually's? Those are the REAL workhorses.
1. Onstar
2. Eaton rear Locking Diff.
3. FBF
4. Autotrac Automatic 4WD transfer case.
5. Heated washer fluid.
6. Rainsense Wipers.
7. 12 way dual power seats
8. 4mm Panel gaps (vs 8-10mm on Tundra). (Ok, not practical maybe, but an indicator of a better built truck with better fit-n-finish)
9. 5 star frontal crash test rating.
10. Better warranty (imagine that!! since Toyota is supposedly so much more reliable).
11. AFM
1. Onstar isn't bad until you start paying for it, same for XM.
2. Hate to break it to you, but the G80 is garbage.
3. Full box frame...I'll give you that one.
4. Useless, autotrac belongs on a minivan, not a full size pick up
5. Useless, once the washer fluid hits a freezing cold windshield, it is no longer warm.
Just one more thing you indirectly paid for and didn't need.
6. Useless, my eyes have rainsense.
7. Pretty cool, no doubt.
8. Irrelevent.
9. Impressive, Toyota will try to improve on this.
10. Chevys are historically less reliable and the customers know this, thats why
they needed to increase the warranty. Toyotas are historically reliable.
11. AFM? Quite a few people that have it have said that active fuel management kills
throttle response.
And look how far they are after what? 2 decades? Barely any further than they were when they introduced the T100. At this rate, I don't care, I'll be long gone by the time they even get close. Also, they are up against a much fiercer foe this time, leapfrogging the domestic cars in the 70s and 80s was no great feat. Now they are up against far superior vehicles.
Let's see, by last count, I am still at ONE thing the Toyota can do that my truck can't...and that is 0.7 secs better in 0-60 time. BFD!!! How practical is that? Now, shall I begin counting the practical features in my truck that are not even available in a Tundra?
1. Onstar
2. Eaton rear Locking Diff.
3. FBF
4. Autotrac Automatic 4WD transfer case.
5. Heated washer fluid.
6. Rainsense Wipers.
7. 12 way dual power seats
8. 4mm Panel gaps (vs 8-10mm on Tundra). (Ok, not practical maybe, but an indicator of a better built truck with better fit-n-finish)
9. 5 star frontal crash test rating.
10. Better warranty (imagine that!! since Toyota is supposedly so much more reliable).
11. AFM
Plus, GM has more engine/drivetrain offerings (including E85 and Hybrids (classic bodystyle)). No exposed boltheads in bed (haven't had these since 1988).
I've heard the Tundra HD development is on HOLD. GM also has a 1/2 ton diesel coming (one M in coming BTW). And IF toyoyo adds a 3/4 ton, that's hardly an entry in HDs, how about 3500's (1 tons) and dually's? Those are the REAL workhorses.
Dude, why even bother. You are not going to convince me you have a better truck.
I am very surprised to see a "Toyota official" here to reassure us that Toyota Corporate is on top of things. On the surface it seems genuine, yet I get an eerie feeling it is more "damage control" than "reassurance". Not one “Toyota official” response/post here on TN for engine sludge, 6-speed transmission flares, or mis-manufactured ball joints. . . . .yet we get a “we have things under control, move along” post concerning an issue that effects 67 thousandths of a percent of Toyota’s “most important vehicle launce ever” Tundra. . . . . . Am I the only cynic here?
.067% of the trucks sold with the 5.7l had a cam "snap", not a significant number. Toyota is doing the right thing by replacing the entire engine, so kudo’s them for going above and beyond what was expected (I would even go so far to say I doubt any other manufacture would do the same). Is this going to hurt sales? Probably not. Does this give domestic “fanboys” reason to cheer and fodder to poke fun that their co-workers who own new Tundra’s. . . .you bet. Toyota needed this launch to go flawless, and is has been anything but . . . . .
I give it 5 posts before Captain Toyota chimes in with his predictable “he’s a basher, never mind him” speech. C’mon captain, let’s here it. . . .
**EDIT** I apologize tmsusa, it seems you have responded to the faulty transmissions issue I referred to above. Thanks for being the voice of Toyota Corporate here on TN. Kudo's to TN for being influential enough to deserve a dedicated Toyota representative.
Apology accepted--thank you. And the post was not meant to imply that this was an issue of such insignificance that we hoped--in so posting what was intended to be a message of reassurance to our customers--consumers would stop talking about it and move on to something less "embarrassing" to us. Far from it. As you note, tmsusa did engage online with TN members and members of a few other influential enthusiast sites re the Camry tranny issue. That dialog proved to be helpful to the interested Toyota posters and especially helpful to us as we listened and gathered more information directly from the most credible source possible--our own customers experiencing the problem.
While the Tundra camshaft issue is quite different from the snap ring problem we discovered on the new 07 Camry last year, we thought it appropriate to go back online with the Tundra and share what we know about what happened, provide some level of confidence to our Tundra owners that we discovered the problem early enough in the production run to correct it before the flawed parts were put into many trucks and, perhaps most importantly, to be alert to the discussion and feedback obtained from members such as yourself to aid us in our ongoing investigation.
That's not damage control. We know we are going to take a lot of heat--particularly from the anti-Toyota crowd in this hotly competitive full-size truck market--that our quality is going right down the toilet, we've grown too fast, etc. That's why tms usa wears a bullet-proof vest to work these days. But if we do the right thing in being open with our communication about an issue that we would rather not have had to deal with, take the time to listen and respond swiftly and appropriately to any customers who have been impacted, the real damage then, hopefully, should be only to our egos.
Thank you for your input.
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1. Onstar isn't bad until you start paying for it, same for XM.
2. Hate to break it to you, but the G80 is garbage.
3. Full box frame...I'll give you that one.
4. Useless, autotrac belongs on a minivan, not a full size pick up
5. Useless, once the washer fluid hits a freezing cold windshield, it is no longer warm.
Just one more thing you indirectly paid for and didn't need.
6. Useless, my eyes have rainsense.
7. Pretty cool, no doubt.
8. Irrelevent.
9. Impressive, Toyota will try to improve on this.
10. Chevys are historically less reliable and the customers know this, thats why
they needed to increase the warranty. Toyotas are historically reliable.
11. AFM? Quite a few people that have it have said that active fuel management kills
throttle response.
By the way welcome to TN, seriously
Eaton G80 is NOT garbage!!!
Autotrac is very nice, had it on my 2000 and used it all the time, don't knock it until you've had it.
Washer fluid heats to 175 deg F. It WILL melt ice from your windshield. In MN it is a nice feature, in southern states, not so much. But It does take bug splatter off pretty good too.
Rainsense, I thought the same thing until I found out how it works. It is basically an automatic intermittent wiper feature. No more clicking up and down the frequency based on rain intensity. 90% of the time I use my wipers they are on intermittent, it is nice not to have to keep fidgeting the frequency up and down constantly.
Reliabilty? Based on my experience with GM's for the past 24 years of driving (I am 40), I have no reason to consider anything else. 24 yrs of driving and I have NEVER, EVER, not even once broken down or needed a tow or any major repairs. Just brakes, tires, and other routine maintenance. Same goes for the wife's vehicles (16 years married). Can you say that about your Toyotas? (oh and BTW, I drive my vehicles a LONG time, so don't think that it's because I always drive newer vehicles.) Yes, I do consider myself lucky, but until GM lets me down, they have my loyalty.
AFM has nothing to do with throttle response (TM does that). And I do agree that it's mpg advantage is minimal at best, but at least they have it.
If reliability was an issue, they would not have increased their warranty, it would cost them dearly. They know they have a great powertrain, that is why they up'd te warranty.
no brand is perfect, so stop trying to defend their fuck ups...
unless it's your fault that the camshafts broke, let Toyota handle it, they don't need your help...
So when is Toyota going to handle the rediculous BLOWN HEAD GASKET problem for the 7M-GE/7M-GTE motors? 13 motors later, and these BHGs followed by rodknocks is getting rediculously common. Almost every single 7M powered vehicle is having a BHG issue. I mentioned this BHG problem in another forum and the Toyota rep just disappeared. Most people I talked to say that the 7M-GTE blows hg's cuz of excessive boost or an old engine being overpowered by a turbo. Ok, I tried to digest that, but what about the 7M-GE in the Cressidas.. a luxury car and its blowing hgs and it doesn't have a turbo. HMMM. I've owned 5M-GE powered vehicles with well over 300,000 miles that run like a dream. How come the similarly engineered 7M has problems? This is the engine thats supposed to teach the rest of the M series engine who's daddy. I mean, the least Toyota could do would send a complete excellent quality Toyota Genuine head gasket kit to every Supra and Cressida owner with new headbolts and crankshaft seals. Guess the Cressida and Supra, Toyota's flagship vehicles of their day should be tossed out of the picture, right?
Other than that, Toyota is fine by my books. Havent had any other issues, and being an FJ-Cruiser owner, first year vehicle and not one problem. I wheel it and I thrash it and it just handles it really good.
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Obviously not, after all, you have been stricken with the "virus". But that's ok, at least I know I do. That's all that really matters, right?
Good luck with that Cam!!! Maybe hang a rabbits foot from your rear view mirror?
Vmax2007, do you have anything exciting to do in your life other than trolling on Toyota forums? In GMi, your trash talk is accepted because its a GM forum and if anyont trys to defend Toyota, its not accepted by you. Welcome to a Toyota forum, your Toyota trash talk isn't accepted here. Defend GM, you wont get bashed, trash talk Toyota, expect getting flammed.
PS, doesn't an engineer or whatever you claim to be have some engineering to do other than picking fights on the internet forum?
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Eaton G80 is NOT garbage!!!
Autotrac is very nice, had it on my 2000 and used it all the time, don't knock it until you've had it.
If reliability was an issue, they would not have increased their warranty, it would cost them dearly. They know they have a great powertrain, that is why they up'd te warranty.
G80 is garbage, I owned one in my last Z71. Personally I didn't have any problems with it, but I used to be quite active on a few Chevy websites and there is ALOT of threads about the G80 blowing up.
As for Autotrac, once again I had that also, it was useless. Almost all trucks are catering to soccer moms.....I remember my first truck had manual locking hubs, I actually had to get off my butt, get outside the truck and lock the hubs....times were tough back then.
As for the warranty, everyone knows Chevy makes a decent powertrain, very good actually...but its everything else that is the problem...
So when is Toyota going to handle the rediculous BLOWN HEAD GASKET problem for the 7M-GE/7M-GTE motors? 13 motors later, and these BHGs followed by rodknocks is getting rediculously common. Almost every single 7M powered vehicle is having a BHG issue. I mentioned this BHG problem in another forum and the Toyota rep just disappeared. Most people I talked to say that the 7M-GTE blows hg's cuz of excessive boost or an old engine being overpowered by a turbo. Ok, I tried to digest that, but what about the 7M-GE in the Cressidas.. a luxury car and its blowing hgs and it doesn't have a turbo. HMMM. I've owned 5M-GE powered vehicles with well over 300,000 miles that run like a dream. How come the similarly engineered 7M has problems? This is the engine thats supposed to teach the rest of the M series engine who's daddy. I mean, the least Toyota could do would send a complete excellent quality Toyota Genuine head gasket kit to every Supra and Cressida owner with new headbolts and crankshaft seals. Guess the Cressida and Supra, Toyota's flagship vehicles of their day should be tossed out of the picture, right?
Other than that, Toyota is fine by my books. Havent had any other issues, and being an FJ-Cruiser owner, first year vehicle and not one problem. I wheel it and I thrash it and it just handles it really good.
Fair point in terms of the 7M, but how old was that, like 15 years ago?
Beside that, the question to ask is, why does a gabage collector who drives a nice pickup have such bad breath?
On the other hand, CEO of Paper Plane Industries yells out company slogan: "We soar higher with each piece of paper!"
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