Avalon new HP (under new SAE standards)

***silver04rollas*** · 08-12-2005, 11:28 PM

Avalon is now rated at 268 HP and 248 ft lbs of torque in 06.

sciguy0504 · 08-15-2005, 09:48 AM

Do you know if that's with regular or premium fuel?

These testing changes, along with the fact that Toyota uses HP numbers with premium fuel instead of the much more popular regular, irritates me. The Camry now has under 200HP with a V6, a joke in the midsize sedan world. The only cars in that category with less HP are the Verona and Optima, jokes themselves.

From what I've seen, Toyota has had the biggest drops in power due to these new SAE standards. It just makes Toyota look bad. The general public doesn't understand or care about HP standards, all they care about is how much HP their car has.

Toyota has to start testing their engines with regular fuel, none of this premium fuel crap. Leave that to Lexus and the rest of the luxo manufacturers whose engines actually need premium fuel.

91MR2quickNA · 08-19-2005, 08:17 AM

Some of the power loss can be chalked up to using regular unleaded, but the majority of it is because of new testing standards that are more stringent than before. When the rest of the automakers release their 2006 models, similar power losses will occur.

Acura has since pulled the 210 hp RSX Type-S ad, since it now only puts out 201 hp under the new SAE standards.

situman · 08-21-2005, 02:31 PM

only 248ft-lb of torque from a 3.5L? they kidding right?

Bakemono · 08-21-2005, 04:39 PM

That makes the Ford 500 look good, it makes 2 more hp than the RSX Type-S and only 7 hp less than the V6 Camry, so much for the 500 being underpowered, I guess.

Cap'n

***silver04rollas*** · 08-21-2005, 07:48 PM

You can't compare RSX Type S to a Ford 500. Ford 500 weight ranges from 3600 lbs - 3800 lbs depending on the model while Type S weighs 2868 lbs. Performance wise it is of no comparison to the other two cars in question i.e Camry and Ford 500.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Toyota

That makes the Ford 500 look good, it makes 2 more hp than the RSX Type-S and only 7 hp less than the V6 Camry, so much for the 500 being underpowered, I guess.

Cap'n

avalon01 · 08-25-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver04rollas

Avalon is now rated at 268 HP and 248 ft lbs of torque in 06.

for those of us that dont have all the HP ratings memorized, what was the Avalon rated at?

Tideland Prius · 08-25-2005, 05:37 PM

280hp under old standard

84Cressida · 08-25-2005, 10:28 PM

Screw the SAE the Avalon still has 280 hp.

Tideland Prius · 08-26-2005, 12:26 AM

Not at the wheel.

dsmnick · 08-26-2005, 01:01 AM

So far, both Honda and Toyota have had the largest losses. Nissan has stayed fairly level, GM is recertifying all its '06 cars and most have stayed level or increased slightly except for the Pontiac Vibe, and Ford is saying that they aren't planning on recertifying until new engines are introduced due to costs, but that they expect changes to be minimal. The Fusion has been SAE certified and is still putting out 221 hp out of the Duratec 30. I have yet to hear anything about DCX.

Toyota and Honda were caught with their hand in the cookie jar on this one...they'll just have to face up to it. Be glad they have a good reputation otherwise...if this had happened to GM and Ford, the media would have had a field day with it.

Here's a thread someone started over at GMI compiling all the horsepower changes into one post.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ght=horsepower

Bakemono · 08-26-2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver04rollas

You can't compare RSX Type S to a Ford 500. Ford 500 weight ranges from 3600 lbs - 3800 lbs depending on the model while Type S weighs 2868 lbs. Performance wise it is of no comparison to the other two cars in question i.e Camry and Ford 500.

I wasnt talking about weight, I was talking strictly about power.
Cap'n

84Cressida · 08-26-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmnick

So far, both Honda and Toyota have had the largest losses. Nissan has stayed fairly level, GM is recertifying all its '06 cars and most have stayed level or increased slightly except for the Pontiac Vibe, and Ford is saying that they aren't planning on recertifying until new engines are introduced due to costs, but that they expect changes to be minimal. The Fusion has been SAE certified and is still putting out 221 hp out of the Duratec 30. I have yet to hear anything about DCX.

Toyota and Honda were caught with their hand in the cookie jar on this one...they'll just have to face up to it. Be glad they have a good reputation otherwise...if this had happened to GM and Ford, the media would have had a field day with it.

Here's a thread someone started over at GMI compiling all the horsepower changes into one post.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ght=horsepower

Toyota in NO way lied about their ratings. I find it funny that Ford won't retest their engines, as it seems they've got something to hide no?

Bakemono · 08-26-2005, 10:00 PM

Lied, no. However, they didnt use the same standard. From what I understand, the SAE system tests the engine with a/c and power steering so that it better represents the real-world power the engine will produce.
As far as Ford, what do they have to hide? Yet another blatant bash of the domestics by 84Cress.

Personally, I think this whole new testing standard is BS. However, it does seem like it puts all the manufacturers on a level playing field. That way, they cant test a model with no a/c and make it look like its producing more power than the competition.
I think they should just put the car on a chassis dyno and show how much power gets lost through the tranny. Tranny efficiency can make a big difference in how much power actually gets to the ground.
Cap'n

dexter_5000 · 09-02-2005, 07:53 AM

avalon isn't the only car to to take a hit. the 06 corolla, echo, scion xa, xb, and i'll assume the camry all took hits. i hate that the there smallest engine in the echo and scion cars took such a hit with it being arleady low powered but if its a better representation that is a good thing.