First… blah blah blah,
I take no responsibility for the info or you messing up your camry by attempting any of this lol, do not get yourself into a project you can’t finish or can’t afford if you blow a motor… $$$
That said I would like to post this – since it helped me in building my turbo up – but really the majority of all information was from carl @
www.speed-source.net who is a master Toyota builder haha… he did all the fab work, and also jeff did a lot of parts finding before i bought the car, thanks to both!
I wanted to pull together REAL turbo camry info - to try and kill some of the repetitive questions we get and speculation on the setup...
But anyways, I need to first say that a lot of this post came from the base on
www.mr2oc.com (with permission from the admin) – I DID NOT WRITE IT ALL UP, so do not give me all the credit - i wanted to pass it on (i did edit a pretty good amount though) ... thanks to all contributing members on the community at mr2oc, and Bill Strong for letting me use it... I edited what i could to adjust for the camry guys, but the mr2oc boards are great for these turbo projects – to look and see what a lot of other people did on the 5sfte on the MR2s… lots more R&D than gets posted here…
To find the original post is under the MKII board – under hybrids, and building the 5sfte sticky…
This is not the cheap route to a 5sfe turbo in my book... i do not understand the point in cheap setups, unless you want yourself to have a lot of disapointment and hearache along the way... do it right the first time, and it will last you for much longer and give you more driving time than under the car time... ever hear of the tuner triangle? There is Fast-Reliable-Cheap... pick any 2 and the third one is not going to be there...
Couple of notes!!!
- LOTS of this stuff is opinion… use it to initiate discussion and bring yourself to where you need to be on a turbo camry project…
- I am not master of this project – I never claimed to be… but I want to spread as much “good” information as I can to the camry community – since we seem to get SO MANY of the same questions over and over again on the 5sfTe…
- a lot of this post was from an MR2 board, I tried to edit what I could for us, thus there are going to be a few things that need to be changed to go with the camry – if you can’t figure these out, haha probably you do not need this information
- PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE only contribute your setup if it is ON A WORKING CAR, having a bunch of parts is a great start, but believe me from personal expirence, that things change while you work – so let’s keep this information as RELIABLE as possible
- I will be editing this post a lot, so information might change... check back
- BUY A FIRE EXTINGUISHER!!! not just a crappy little show one - but a real one, that if you project catches fire you actually have time to PUT IT OUT! of course don't be stupid, when the car is ablaze, seek cover, but you can save yourself so much heartache by stopping something small with a good unit in the car
- Here is my setup -
– to see more you can check my site @
www.angelfire.com/oz2/teamhamster/sbc.html it is a working 5sfTE, I have thousands of miles on it – and it is going fine… others that have a COMPLETED WORKING SYSTEM feel free to add… but keep it to that, and not just the “plans”
Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Oil
TRD Shortshifter
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Spec Stage III Clutch (6 puck, still sprung)
Full Race Ported and Polished Head
Metal Toyota Headgasket
Unorthodox Underdrive Crank Pulley
NGK 6097 Spark Plugs gapped 0.030
Magnecor Competition KV85 Race Wires
HKS SS Blow-off Valve
Greddy Evo Custom Cat-back Exhaust 2.5 inch
Greddy Profec A Boost Controller
Greddy Turbo Timer
Greddy eManage piggy-back
Greddy eManage injector and timing harnesses
Greddy oil catch can
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
Under the hood fuel pressure gauge
Toyota - Lexus 2jzge injectors (from a GS300)
Toyota CT26 Turbo (WG set back to 5psi)
Generic filter (intake being made)
3SGTE Turbo Manifold
3SGTE Heatshield
Custom speed-source downpipe
Custom speed-source intercooler piping
Custom speed-source oil dipstick
Custom speed-source love
Front mount intercooler by Johnnyracecar
Lo-Tec A-pillar Gauge Pod
Autometer Pro Comp EGT gauge
Autometer Pro Comp Boost gauge
Autometer Pro Comp Oil Pressure gaugeA
AEM wideband O2 sensor and gauge
- extra vinyl stickers to give you more HP on the dyno...
Here is UFOZ setup, fully built 5s-fTe motor
Fully Built 5S-FE by Pass Racing
CP forged Pistons (8.5:1 CR)
Crower connecting rods
ARP head studs (from a 3SGTE, need slight modification)
Cometic metal headgasket (OEM size)
Ported and polished cylinder head
Top End Performance valve springs
Top End Performance valves
Three angle valve job
CT-26 turbo @ 16psi
3S-GTE manifold
Precision intercooler
HKS SSQV blow off valve
Custom downpipe
Custom IC pipes
Custom catback exhaust
Custom oil feed/return lines
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
Toyota 360cc injectors (2JZGE)
Accufab universal 1-1 fuel pressure regulator
Greddy oil catch can
Clutchnet Stage III 6 puck clutch
Greddy Profec B Spec II electronic boost controller
Apex'i S AFC II
Here is 5sfte's setup
Mobile 1 Fully Synthetic Oil
Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch
TRD Shortshifter (Gen4 Camry)
K&N Filter
HKS Pop Off Valve
3S-GTE Turbo Manifold
Custom Downpipe
CatCo Hi Flow Catalytic Converter
Greddy EVO cat-back Exhaust
Greddy FATT Turbo Timer
TRD Boost Gauge
Metal Toyota Headgasket
Toyota 360cc Green Top injectors (2JZ-GE)
Toyota 3S-GTE Spark Plugs
ARP Head Studs
Burien Toyota 5S-FE Oil pan
Had to modify the Oil Dipstick Port
Buren Toyota modified Garrett Turbo
Here is UltraSlowSolara's setup
He ran OBDII 5sfe <gen4 camry or solara> with over 45000 miles with turbo and i still get about 23-27mpg. The car idles smoothly and runs smooth too, currently has 78300 miles and still using the stock clutch.
dynoed 184hp and 187lb torque with 7psi (i think might had been 9psi)
Polished T3 turbo with .58 trim
Mandrel bent header
Blitz super sound blow off valve
Turbonuetics Deltagate Mark II wastegate
Spearco polished front mount intercooler
Custom Nicole plate piping and header
K&N air filter
3SGTE map sensor
Greddy oil catch can
Stainless steel oil lines, pressure pipes
Full custom 2.5” exhaust all the way
Magnecore 8,5mm spark wires
Denso Iridium IK22
RC engineering 310cc fuel injectors
Greddy E-manage fuel computer + injector& ignition harness
Greddy Profec E-01 boost controller
Custom 4 gauge ground kit with gold plated terminal
Complete fuel system modification
Custom Earl stainless steel radiator pipe
Thrmowrap heat shield
Walbro 255 lph high flow fuel pump
valve cover vent modification--> for relase pressure, it shoots oil too
dyno tunning @ autolink
Brand new 5sfe OEM oil pan (i dont like 3sgte oill pan because they dont have as much oil capacity as 5s)
From the MR2 guys….
BASIC RELIABLE TURBO SETUP INCLUDES, NOT NECESSARILY SPARING EXPENSE
I changed parts/deleted information form the MR2 post here…
-Turbo (ct26 or other)
-Manifold (factory 3sgte is good with the ct-26)
-Intercooler – 3s is not going to work on the camry – buying a good front mount will serve you well in time
-Piping - this needs to be custom made… you can go the massive silicon coupler route, but welding hard pipes is going to make connections stronger
-Injectors (Supra NA) PART # 23250-70080 are often used – a 360cc+ will be good and Toyota has a few stock models there
-2bar MAP SENSOR(factory 3s) Part # 84420-17030
-Custom Downpipe must be made, the 3s downpipe does NOT WORK ON THE CAMRY with the location of the motor mount on a camry vs. mr2…)
- Blow Off Valve to fight compressor surge
- Boost Gauge – even though creep is not big on the ct-26, helps out
- Exhaust work to match to DP/Cat assembly, custom fab again
- Oil, Water/Coolant lines to and from turbo (3s if using ct26/mani, these can be ordered and custom fabbed though)
- tapping the oil pan for oil return – Ufoz also said you CAN swap to the 3sgte pan - if you are a non-cali 5sfe
- Misc. Rubber/Silicon hose for turbo fiitings…
- 1:1 FPR for the camry’s
- some sort of tuning management – I opted for the greddy emange, others are out there, seems like a good deal of people have the Apexi SAFC (AF) + MSD BTM (timing) to tune… this is virtal to keeping the system alive
- new spark plugs, colder heat range ( see the bottom of the post)
Options you are going to want
- Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge (wideband is what you want to tune, great investment- narrow band is not really helpful)
- EGT gauge helps for tuning also, especially in conjunction with the AF monitoring
- Oil pressure gauge (more monitoring the better)
- Boost Contoller (electronic seems to be a good investment, don’t get stupid on stock internals)
- Turbo Timer for controlled shut down of car
- oil catch can - avoid the nasty oil burn out the exhaust, catch the blowback
- Metal head gasket (Toyota 5sfe metal is good)
-Aftermarket Clutch..THIS SHOULD BE A MUST! – trust me my stage I was not very good at first…
- Building the motor is great, Internals, Pistons, Rods, rings etc. (if you have access to a separate 5s… a buildup outside the car will be good, then drop it in later after you have finished that up, so less downtime on the car)
Good information from camryman97 on the OBDII system found in gen4's
Few things I have learned about doing this in a Gen 4 Camry with OBD2:
1. The wastegate actuator can also be modified similair to Nathans by cutting the rod in a straight section, threading it with a fine thread pitch die, and threading both ends back into a hex coupler with two lock nuts on either side. This allows you to change the length of the rod by small increments and therefore adjust preload on the wastegate flapper. Longer rod will yield lower base pressure, shorter will yield higher base pressure. I picked this up from a friend who has been running this setup on a old mazda for a few years.
2. The front bumper support needs a section cut out to accomodate a front mount intercooler. Without doing this even a 6 inch high core would hang nearly an inch and a half out the bottom. By cutting out the bottom half an 8 inch core tucks up in there nicely. Yes it is illegal, yes there is still some support, and no there is no airbag sensors around for you to hit. You can reweld a piece of steel to the top of the bumper support and beef it up even more than before if you want (what I did) it really helps to have a powered hacksaw and know how to weld various metals. A few more things need to be trimmed back to fit intercooler piping but it really isnt too bad.
- note on my gen3 - probably would have also had this problem as i have the 6inch cooler - BUT i also have the rodmillen front lip - if you have a body kit, you front end is going to be dropped down a good deal - which can accomodate an intercooler without cutting - this is a simple test, just hold up the cooler and see where it will mount - this can help you get an idea for IC pipe routing anyways
3. The ignition system is a distributorless wasted spark system which means that the MSD BTM is not an option. Also the igniter is incorporated in the coil pack so MSD's DIS-2 will not work, nor will anything else. MSD says its impossible to adjust timing on a DIS with out seperate ignitors. It also appears the EManage will not work either for this reason. I have yet to find a method of timing control besides a full stand alone which will keep you from passing emissions in my state.
4. The good news is that you can buy a Dynojet wideband commander and it sets up very easily in a Camry. I have the system installed as of today and will be posting up a thread soon with pictures. It will read A/F ratios with its own sensor, throttle position, rpms, and map sensor, plus it has a autometer gauge with built in warning light and it links up with a laptop and graphs out a/f over rpm, time and displays throttle and boost as well. It has onboard memory for 10 minutes and can be setup to control water injection or nitrous at set A/F parameters, rpm, and boost dependent. Software is very user friendly and support is amazing. I got it all for $350 which is a steal.
5. Bad news, the 97 up camry's have a returnless fuel system. Fuel pressure regulator will not work. You need a return fuel line and a fuel rail with AFPR from a 96 or earlier camry. Also some custom fittings and disable the in tank reg. Be careful when upping pressure on MR2 injectors they are designed to run at 38 psi fuel pressure, run them too high and you risk having them go static or at the very least shortening their lifespan significantly.
6. So I have been a little depressed lately, my car is OBD2 with a coil and igniter in one solid unit for the ignition. Since the igniter is in the coil I can not use the MSD BTM or the EManage to tune my timing under boost. This means I am limited to around 4-5 psi and even then it might not be safe. But after searching for awhile I have found something, the Split Second TMC1! The split second TMC1 retards timing based on boost much like an MSD BTM but it alters the crank angle sensor and camshaft position sensor signals instead of the wire between igniter and coils. This allows for the whole ignition system to be left untouched and functioning as normal. The 4 wires from the two sensors go into the unit, 4 wires come out and return to the ECU. Two wire supply 12volts power to the unit, a vaccum hose for boost reference, and there is even a wire for dash lighst so it lights up on your dash at night. Knob adjustment, low and high rpm adjustment, and reterd per pound of boost. Looks like I will be testing this out! It was originally meant for Toyota ECUs and the tacoma supercharged guys use it a lot aparently.
http://www.splitsec.com/
Good information from silverstreakin on the turbo setup and the auto tranny woes
rebuilt ct26
3s mani
custom dp
custom oil supply and return. (interesting fact here, there is, at least in the 93 blocks, a plug that is in the fwd oil gallery. i used a fitting from an old intake and put a -4an fitting on it with silver soulder for oil supply. on the return i used -10 fittings and hoses. drilled the pan and welded in a fitting.)
using 360cc injectors with 87 supra fuel pump, and fuel pressure regulator and restrictor.
blitz super sound bov
fmic with hard pipes. shitty job, but it works
3s 2 bar map
set the base timing to 8 btdc
serioulsy that is all we did. just amazing that the thing runs so well. i drove it around enough to get the computer used to the engine in boost last week, it was stumbling at 2-3k rpm at light throttle for a few, but went away. when i was fitting the turbo , i ended up getting a hammer, and malletizing the wastegate and hard lines. the wastegate regulates at 10 psi on the money. kinda scary since there is no electronics at all on the car. as far as the slushbox tranny. if you have an aged one...dont turbo it. straight up, youll get a few good pulls out of it, then you can count it out. cause its done... remember that automatics will boost all the time, even when the tranny is shifting. to kinda go around that, terry would let off when the tranny started to shift. its just postponing the death. if you wanted to research a stronger tranny, that would be ideal, if not, at least a good rebuild would be in order. preferably a performance upgrade. i know someone out there would be able to do it, for the right price. tony has his auto tranny upgraded. or possibly swapping in the v6 camry trans.
