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Old 03-21-2007, 09:45 AM   #1
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Hybrids are Eco-Friendly...right?

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March 7, 2007
Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
By Chris Demorro
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The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.

Before we delve into the seedy underworld of hybrids, you must first understand how a hybrid works. For this, we will use the most popular hybrid on the market, the Toyota Prius.

The Prius is powered by not one, but two engines: a standard 76 horsepower, 1.5-liter gas engine found in most cars today and a battery- powered engine that deals out 67 horsepower and a whooping 295ft/lbs of torque, below 2000 revolutions per minute. Essentially, the Toyota Synergy Drive system, as it is so called, propels the car from a dead stop to up to 30mph. This is where the largest percent of gas is consumed. As any physics major can tell you, it takes more energy to get an object moving than to keep it moving. The battery is recharged through the braking system, as well as when the gasoline engine takes over anywhere north of 30mph. It seems like a great energy efficient and environmentally sound car, right?

You would be right if you went by the old government EPA estimates, which netted the Prius an incredible 60 miles per gallon in the city and 51 miles per gallon on the highway. Unfortunately for Toyota, the government realized how unrealistic their EPA tests were, which consisted of highway speeds limited to 55mph and acceleration of only 3.3 mph per second. The new tests which affect all 2008 models give a much more realistic rating with highway speeds of 80mph and acceleration of 8mph per second. This has dropped the Prius’s EPA down by 25 percent to an average of 45mpg. This now puts the Toyota within spitting distance of cars like the Chevy Aveo, which costs less then half what the Prius costs.

However, if that was the only issue with the Prius, I wouldn’t be writing this article. It gets much worse.

Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.

“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.

All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?

Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.

When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist - ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available - a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage - buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.

These have been my opinions and views of hybrids since the first ones hit the streets... and here it is coming from someone more qualified than I.

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

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Old 03-21-2007, 11:23 AM   #2
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Interesting report..
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The two nickel smelters in Sudbury put in acid plants years ago which convert the SO2 into sulphuric acid or liquid SO2. The liquid SO2 keeps your apples fresh. The high stacks are still there but very little SO2 gets out. The vegetation has grown back around Sudbury at a remarkable rate since the acid plants went in.
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That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
That's misleading, how can they say a Hummer will last 3 times as long as a prius? Doesn't sound like apples to apples on that one.
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That article has been debunked so many times in the past few months. I expect it to end up on Snopes one of these days.
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Old 03-21-2007, 01:58 PM   #6
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So the person more qualified than the original poster is ...
someone writing an opinion piece for a small college newspaper?
The whole article is garbage, that this moron wrote in a half-hour.

1. Take the "spitting distance" mileage, for example. The new EPA combined mileage put the Chevy Aveo at 26 mpg, the Toyota Prius at 46 mpg. So I guess 20 miles more per gallon is "spitting distance."

2. The "Dust-to-dust" study is from a marketing firm, not a science journal. It arrives at an artificially high cost for the Prius by assigning it an arbitrary lifespan of 100k miles, and a Hummer 300k miles. There's Prius being used as cabs that have 200k on them now (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/ ). And, insofar as a car lasting, what car do you expect to repair less? A Toyota Prius or a GM Hummer? You can check Consumer Reports for the answer to that one.

3. The Sudbury info is seriously outdated, and the comment about moon buggies (like, when did Nasa test moon buggies — early 1970’s) ought to give you a clue. Sudbury was polluted by a century of mining. In fact, some of Sudbury’s nickel went into making the Statue of Liberty. Currently, the mine is owned by INCO (not Toyota), and produces 100,000 tons of nickel a year, of which Toyota buys 1000 tons. Nickel, by the way, is primarily used to make stainless steel. The Mail on Sunday newspaper, which ran the story the college article is a thin re-write of (visible here http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417227&in_page_id=1770 ), used a stock photo from 1994 to illustrate the pollution (visible here http://www.photoboy.com/bin/Cklb?vmo=1173985067754 ). There, ahem, were as yet 0 Prius built in 1994.


Sudbury is no longer as polluted, as INCO and the city have planted over 8 million trees there since 1979. You can see reports on that on the Sudbury city website at http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/cms/index.cfm?app=div_landreclamation&lang=en

The acid rain problem David Martin of Greenpeace is talking about in is the situation pre 1972!

INCO on regreening and SO2 emissions
http://www.inco.com/development/community/profiles/sudbury/default.aspx
INCO on hybrids batteries
http://www.inco.com/newscentre/featurestories/apr1305.aspx

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So the person more qualified than the original poster is ...
someone writing an opinion piece for a small college newspaper?
The whole article is garbage, that this moron wrote in a half-hour.

1. Take the "spitting distance" mileage, for example. The new EPA combined mileage put the Chevy Aveo at 26 mpg, the Toyota Prius at 46 mpg. So I guess 20 miles more per gallon is "spitting distance."

2. The "Dust-to-dust" study is from a marketing firm, not a science journal. It arrives at an artificially high cost for the Prius by assigning it an arbitrary lifespan of 100k miles, and a Hummer 300k miles. There's Prius being used as cabs that have 200k on them now (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/ ). And, insofar as a car lasting, what car do you expect to repair less? A Toyota Prius or a GM Hummer? You can check Consumer Reports for the answer to that one.

3. The Sudbury info is seriously outdated, and the comment about moon buggies (like, when did Nasa test moon buggies — early 1970’s) ought to give you a clue. Sudbury was polluted by a century of mining. In fact, some of Sudbury’s nickel went into making the Statue of Liberty. Currently, the mine is owned by INCO (not Toyota), and produces 100,000 tons of nickel a year, of which Toyota buys 1000 tons. Nickel, by the way, is primarily used to make stainless steel. The Mail on Sunday newspaper, which ran the story the college article is a thin re-write of (visible here http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417227&in_page_id=1770 ), used a stock photo from 1994 to illustrate the pollution (visible here http://www.photoboy.com/bin/Cklb?vmo=1173985067754 ). There, ahem, were as yet 0 Prius built in 1994.


Sudbury is no longer as polluted, as INCO and the city have planted over 8 million trees there since 1979. You can see reports on that on the Sudbury city website at http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/cms/index.cfm?app=div_landreclamation&lang=en

The acid rain problem David Martin of Greenpeace is talking about in is the situation pre 1972!

INCO on regreening and SO2 emissions
http://www.inco.com/development/community/profiles/sudbury/default.aspx
INCO on hybrids batteries
http://www.inco.com/newscentre/featu...s/apr1305.aspx
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That's misleading, how can they say a Hummer will last 3 times as long as a prius? Doesn't sound like apples to apples on that one.
It would be much more of a comparison say, the Camry I4 to the Camry Hybrid.
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This article was brought up before on TN. I think the authors point was the Hummer technology is old; the hybrid is new. Creating new technology brings on its own issues. Thus we should all be driving Hummers (or Model T’s) and stating we are saving the environment, might be a good sales pitch (joking here).
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