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Old 04-01-2007, 04:09 PM   #1
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UCA's

Disclaimer!!

Please understand that a set of UCA's are "NOT" required!!
But if you want to lift your truck correctly? then please read.


OR? If your truck feels "Squirrelly", feels like it "Floats" at high speed, and your steering feels a bit loose after a 3" lift??
Then this is for you!!



Sometime I feel like a broken record. So I figured I'd just make a post that people who search can find and read:

A lot of people seem to think that lifting a truck only involves buying spacers, or coils?

But what they don't seem to realize is that when you change the ride height of your truck? You put your suspension in a position it was never meant to be in for extended periods of time.

Because YES! the suspension is designed to articulate into this position! But it is not meant the be driven for extended period of time at these new angles.

It's like a women walking around all day on the tip of her toes. (To be 3 inches taller) Yes! Her foot is designed to articulate into this position. But overtime she will have some serious problems. Because her feet wern't designed to walk that way, for extended periods of time!

But do it correctly? And give her a comfortable pair of pumps to wear? Now she is 3" taller and the risk of injury or complications is now greatly reduced!

Remember this phrase? Good enough? Is NEVER good!!

Do it right the first time and you will save yourself a lot of headaches in the future!!
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If you plan on installing a 3" lift then be aware to do it correctly you need a good set of UCA's in order to have your alignment set at the "ideal" settings.
(It doesn't matter which lift you choose, Toytec, All Pro, DR's, Or some type of spacers?)

I highly recommend "Total Chaos" UCA's only because of my personal experience with both Camburg and TC.
(As for All Pro?? I cannot comment because I have never had the pleasure of using a set on my truck)

This is an example of what to look for when having your alignment done:


This is from my truck. And as you can see I personally selected the optimum settings for my driving.

Camber you would like to have it set at, or near 0*
Caster you would ideally want it set at 2.4* (Optimum) Too low and your truck will wander. To High and you will have "Bump steer.

To understand Alignment better here is a link:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4

http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm

Hopefully this will help??

Here's why I know Camburg won't work!!
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t171670.html

Comparison:
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...ght=camburg+tc

Some people may tell you that their truck drives good with a 3" lift and the stock UCA's. And that their alignment #'s are in factory spec.

But! They don't actually know how good their trucks can drive.
And just being in factory specs isn't always good.

For example:
If your alignment #'s are at the minimum, or the maximum? Then your truck is just barely drivable by the factory standards.

The best handling you will have is to set the truck at the "ideal" settings.

Now this "ideal" will change! Depending on the tire size, and your driving habits.

Ideal Camber for the average driver is 0*.
If you like to corner, and take turns fast? Then you would like your Camber a bit more negative. /---\

Ideal Caster: (Now this will change depending on tire size)

-Stock tires "ideal" would be 2.1*Positive Caster

-33" tires "ideal" would be 2.4* Positive Caster

-35" tires "ideal" would be 3.0* Positive Caster

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Old 04-01-2007, 04:25 PM   #2
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you are one sick man toku. i'm deeply concerned, i'm suggesting that you be sedated immediately and undergo a full psychological evaluation.

oh yeah, i knew this already, good for you to post this up though. HAHA.
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Old 04-01-2007, 04:30 PM   #3
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you are one sick man toku. i'm deeply concerned, i'm suggesting that you be sedated immediately and undergo a full psychological evaluation.
Thanks Doc!! From you I take that as a compliment!!!
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It's like a women walking around all day on the tip of her toes. (To be 3 inches taller) Yes! Her foot is designed to articulate into this position. But overtime she will have some serious problems. Because her feet wern't designed to walk that way, for extended periods of time!

But do it correctly? And give her a comfortable pair of pumps to wear? Now she is 3" taller and the risk of injury or complications is now greatly reduced!
Toku- TN's very own orthopaedic surgeon. Better send this notice out to all those pretty little ladies wearing those clear heels.
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Old 04-01-2007, 05:16 PM   #5
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Toku- TN's very own orthopaedic surgeon. Better send this notice out to all those pretty little ladies wearing those clear heels.
LOL!!! To be honest?? I don't really know what PUMPs are???
I knew I'd catch some ribb'n for this thread!!
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:55 AM   #6
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I understand, sex is way better with a partner!
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:27 AM   #7
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I'm going to sell my lift and use the funds to get laid.
Thanks for the practical advice, Toku!
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:37 PM   #8
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what about sex with a doll? is that like a lift with some crappy UCAs?
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:27 PM   #9
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what about sex with a doll? is that like a lift with some crappy UCAs?
It's probably indiscernible from a set of rear airbags. Just my guess, though. I haven't tried either one.
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I just bought a set of Bilstien 5100's from downsouthmotorsports (ebay) and plan on lifting the front end 2" to level it out and give my tires a little more clearance. I have 265 muds that rub if going over a bump in a hard turn.

My question is would the TC UCA's be a big improvement over the stock handeling with just the 5100 lift?

When I changed the stock tires to the mud tires I noticed a lot more wheel "feedback" in the steering wheel. And the truck seems to float around the road a bit more. I'm not sure how much of this is just the tire, and/or how much it could be improved with the UCAs. I know they help, but how much?

I guess my question is would you put the TCs on a stock truck? Or with 5100 2" leveling kit vs Toytec or Coilovers 3".

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An aftermarket UCA will not improve on steering or wander so long as you have or will have your truck aligned properly. Problem with going up to around 3" of lift is you can only get the alignment specs so close to ideal, which of course results in road wander. At only 2" of lift you should be able to have your truck aligned properly without the need for them. Tire size and tread pattern do not effect your alignment but can effect road feel, most likely what you have noticed. Aftermarket UCA's will not change that.

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Old 08-27-2007, 04:05 PM   #12
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I can confirm with 2-1/2" of lift the caster is way off. Camber is also just out of spec.
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thanks AdventureNorth!
maybe someday if I have extra $ to burn...or when I get another spell of upgradeitus.
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Is the caster adjustable on our trucks? When I got my alignment done after the 5100's at 2.5", the caster is the only spec that was off and they said they could not adjust it on our trucks. Right now it's set at 0.55 degrees and 0.75 degrees, so it's about a full degree less than it should be. From reading the tech article on Tire Rack, this is why I have the slight wandering and decreased stearing effort at highway speeds. Is the TC UCA the only way to adjust caster back to where it should be or is there something else we can do on our trucks?
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Is the caster adjustable on our trucks? When I got my alignment done after the 5100's at 2.5", the caster is the only spec that was off and they said they could not adjust it on our trucks. Right now it's set at 0.55 degrees and 0.75 degrees, so it's about a full degree less than it should be. From reading the tech article on Tire Rack, this is why I have the slight wandering and decreased stearing effort at highway speeds. Is the TC UCA the only way to adjust caster back to where it should be or is there something else we can do on our trucks?
The Caster is adjustable. TC UCA's are one way All Pro UCA's are another.
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