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Old 07-09-2005, 08:27 PM   #1
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Some Recommendations(Car Audio Products)

This list is my personal OPINION on what I consider how manufacturers and their products rank. I have used some of the products listed, but most of these brands/models listed is what I have came across from years of research on the subject, and/or from first hand listening.


Amps:

Audiophile

McIntosh
Arc Audio SE
TRU
Audison VRx,
Brax
Milbert
Butler
Zapco C2K
Genesis Series 3
Sinfoni
Phass
Linear Power

Audiophile but a step down from the above
Genesis Profile Series
U.S. Amps Tube amps
Audison LRx
PPI Art amps
DLS A series
U.S. Amps(older)
Soundstream Reference, Class A
Helix
Xetec
Zapco Reference
Denon
Adcom
Diamond D7 and D9
Esoteric
Arc Audio CXL, XXK
Phoenix Gold Ti, Also Older MS and Limited Production amps(Anniversary Editions, etc)
ADS
MB Quart QAA4250, QAA2500, and QAA1000


Quality

JL Slash amps
PPI Powerclass (Pre DEI)
Elemental Designs (good warranty, underrated power too)
Diamond D5 and D3 (very cheap right now on ebay, good amps, esp. D5's, very flexible crossovers if you need onboard crossovers)
Arc Audio Kar
Phoenix Gold Tantrum
Memphis-Very compact
Alpine
Pioneer PRS (older line)
Orion-Pre DEI
XTant
MB Quart amps
Rockford Fosgate
Avionixx
MTX
Older Mobile ES Sony
Exile Audio, new company founded by former Phoenix Gold employees.
Xetec Xircuit and Vector Series amps

Value
MTX
Kicker
DEI
Clarion
Pioneer Amplifiers
Coustic
Crossfire
Infinity, and JBL amps (pretty mch same thing)
Hifonics


Poor
Audiobahn
Dual
Jensen
Boss
Volfenhag
American HiFi
Rockwood
Legacy
Kole
Pyramid
MA Audio
Kingwood
Newer Sony
Pyle
XPlore
Lanzar(Except Opti Drive amps. Those are pretty good actually)
Audiofonics
Rampage
Audiovox
New Soundstream
Phoenix Digital
Formula
Koiker
Nitro
Power Acoustik
Lightning Audio
Niche
Verge
Crunch

Next will be Speakers.

As I stated before, this is my OPINION Please do research heavily before you buy a certain product.

I am sure I have missed alot of brands, so if you think something should be represented here. Post it.
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Speakers: Every person has different listening tastes. Unfortuntely most of the stuff listed here you can't exactly go and audition somewhere. And if you could it would most likely be in a sound board and will sound alot different in an in-car environment anyways.

I always rec. wiring active if you have adequate processing, and amplification(one channel of power for each individual driver). BUT it's much easier to set up a passive component set. So results can differ.

If you have an amp that has flexible crossovers that include a bandpass then you can do the crossovers at the amp. Using a headunit with a 3 way crossover would be preffered as you will have more fine tuning capabiltiy. You can also use an electronic active crossover+eq with great results.

Some people prefer to get a component system that has passive crossovers. This can be good for the person that want's to run a 4 channel amp to power the front components and the sub(s) You can always go active afterwards.

Some of these options will vary and sound completely different. Some in the same group might sound better than another.

The most important thing is finding something that will work good in your application. Then installing it properly and tuning it properly. Plan on using an amplifier(s) for the speakers. Try to have at least 40-50 watts RMS per driver. If possible more. Alot of these speakers can handle a good amount of power. Some don't need that much. Just be sure to properly set the gains.

I plan on using about 150 watts rms to my mids, and about 75 watts rms to the tweeters.

Some if not most of these speakers are from home audio manufacturers but can be used in the car with great results. And in most cases these are some of the companys that make speakers for alot of the car audio offerings.

I know I am missing alot, but some good stuff to look into:

Audiophile

Seas Lotus Reference
Seas Excel
Rainbow
Focal Utopia, K2P
Morel
Dynaudio
Hiquphon tweeters
MB Quart QSD
Scan Speak
Alpine F1 Status (similar to Scan Speak Revelators, but tweaked for Alpine)
Arc ACS
DLS Iridium, UR
Beyma
Image Dynamics HLCD's
RS Audio
AVI
LCY
ACCUTON
Fountek
CDT HD, Eurosports and 07 model lineup.
Boston Z6
Diamond D9
Polk SR6500
Ascendant Audio Arco


Quality Passive Component systems Keep in mind, all these can be wired active.

MB Quart QSD
MB Quart PCE216 6.5" set Or PCE210 if you need 4" components. (also can be a nice 3 way active set with midbass addon)
JL XR
Alpine Type-X SPX-177R
Image Dynamics Chameleons
CDT EF, HD, they make slim mounting depth variants.
Elemental Designs eDi6500s eDi6000s are ok for the money.
Phoenix Gold TI 6 Elite (Morel)
Boston Pro Series
ADS
Exile Audio Components are pretty good for the money, not an audiophile speaker, but definitely good quality. VERY shallow mounting depth if you need it, and very lighweight too if you are building a race car and need evey weight of ounce shaved, but still want some tunes.
Diamond Hex


DIY Components
Mids: 7"
Seas CA18RNX, G18RNX - 55 each
DAYTON RS180S-8 - 33 each (deep driver though check clearance) Nice mid Debucked, 4 ohm car version available shortly
Peerless HDS Exclusive 7" LOVE MINE!!!
Adire Audio Extremis 6.8 99.00 each
For more choices and quick reviews, go here.
http://ldsg.snippets.org/sect-12-bass.php3#BASS6.5-
and of course www.diymobileaudio.com
Seas Lotus/Excel $ but awesome.




Tweeters:

LPG 25NFA (silk) 26NA(Aluminum) The aluminum is best suited for people that like sharper highs. These are 37 each. Not rec. under 2.5khz

Dayton Neo domes- 5.00 each
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=275-030
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=275-035

Dayton RS28A(large outer diameter though)

Seas 27TBFC/G (H1212) (large outer diameter) 30.00 each

Vifa XT

MB Quart QTC25

Focal TN-51, TN-52

Hiquphon OW2 (99 each though)

Seas Lotus Reference

Midrange:

Domes:
-Usher 9845 3" Textile
LPG 51AT(Aluminum), LPG 50FA(textile) 64 each
DLS UR2.5(-+75 bucks each), Iridium 3
DAYTON DC50F-8 2" 28.00 each

Cones:
Seas Excel W15
MB Quart QSD213
Vifa 10BGS aka MG10
Vifa M10
Audax HM100Z0
Vifa PL
Eton 4-300 hex

Remeber to check mounting depths, and plan on using a 1/2" to 3/4" baffle to mount the speaker to the door. That will give you some extra mounting depth. Also check clearance from the speaker to the door panel.

Most importantly, do as much research you can before deciding to buy. These are just certain things to get you looking in the right direction. There's alot of other good stuff out there, and there are 10X more bad stuff out there. Research is the key.

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SUBS

When shopping for a subwoofer, you first need to do some planning on how you want to set up the install. The amount of subs, power rating, ohm configurations, enclosure size, and subwoofer size can make for alot of different variables.

You also need to consider your electrical system. If you're going to run over 400-600 watts rms, you should consider an upgraded alternator. (not to mention a stronger battery, and Big 3 upgrade)

These two links are good to check out before picking out a subwoofer.

http://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ult...;f=11;t=069893


Some subs are designed to work better in certain enclosures. There are purpose built subs that are made fro SPL. There are subs that are made purely for sound quality. Theres also "SQL" subs. These are sort of a mix of a SQ driver and a SPL driver.

SPL subs are generally designed to be installed in a large ported enclosure. SQ and SQL subs can typically be put in both with good results. Sealed typically yeilds better sound quality and accuracy, also with a sealed enclosure the amount of airspace needed is lessened. This can be good if you are trying to do a small or stealth enclosure.

One advantage of using a ported enclosure is that the same sub can get louder off of less power than the sub in the sealed enclosure. In most cases you give up some accuracy by going to a ported enclosure. But you can get very good results out of using a ported enclosure.

A similar install would be an Infinite Baffle install. AKA IB. This type of install also requires less power than a sealed enclosure and can yeild very good results too.

Infinite Baffle can be great for people that don't want to give up any space in their trunk. But space saving isn't the only reason to go this route. IB can sound very VERY good too if properly implemented.

If you do decide to do an IB install, you need to carefully pick a subwoofer that can be used in an IB install. Do some searching on the www.buwaldahybrids.com and www.talkaudio.uk forums. IB installs are very popular there and there's a ton of info on it.

When picking any sub/enclosure you need to take into consideration how much power you have avaialable. Some subs are more efficient than others, and work well off low power. Some require a certain amount of power to get moving. SPL subs typically require and work better off of more power. A sq sub is typically designed to work well off 100-400 watts rms.

Another subject worth bringing up is the use of different types of amplifiers. The two most common types are Class D and Class AB(there's also tube amps, class T, Class A and other types, but we won't go into those)

Class AB power is less efficient than class D. However class AB is prefered over class D for better sound quality. If you are going to do a sound quality sub install, and don't require more than400-500 watts rms, then you can probably get away with using class AB and your electrical system should be able to handle it. If you are more into SPL you can use a class D amp and a ported enclosure and get considerably louder than the sq install with the same draw on the electrical system. At some point you have to upgrade the alternator though.

A very big SPL or SQL install will require more power.


Here's some things to check out, be sure to do plenty of your own research before picking a sub.

TC Sounds TC2+/Soundsplinter RL-i www.oaudio.com www.soundsplinter.com These subs are known for great sound quality and having the capability of getting very loud. In a sealed enclosure 400+ watts rms should be used.

TC SOunds TC9/Soundsplinter RL-p SQL/SPL subs. These are also great subs. Send lots of power though

Image Dynamics IDQ, old design, but hasn't been changed for a reason. Great SQ subs. For ID on the internet go to www.sounddomain. Pretty efficient subs and don't need too much power. These subs work great in sealed or ported. 100-350 watts rms is all that's needed, the 12"s and the 15"s can handle 400-500 watts rms.

Image Dynamics ID, still a great sq sub, but designed to get louder than the IDQ's, 100-400 watts rms. The ID8V3 is also a great 8" sub.

Image Dynamics IDMAX, very popular SQL sub. Works well off 600-1,000 watts rms.

All Image Dynamics subs work well in IB installs.

Peerless XLS and XXLS. There is a home version and a car version. The car version has lower ohms. These also work great in freeair installs.

Diamond D6 sub great sub with 600+ wrms.

Arc Audio D series, very similar to IDQ

Arc Flatline, very nice SQL sub.

Dayton Audio Titanic, good SQL sub

Dayton Reference Subs

Adire Audio makes good subs across their whole lineup. The Brahma is a popular sub, but very power hungry, needs over 1K watts rms.

RE Audio makes subs that cater to everyone, SE has good sq, and get's loud. XXX is a great SQL sub. RE MT is a dedicated SPL sub, handles lots of power.

Soundstream Exact's are nice SQ subs, and fairly inexspensive.

Digital Designs makes great subs, most of DD is designed for SPL, but very nice sounding subs though.

Elemental Designs- eD is very comparable to ID.

Treo makes good SPL subs.

Older PPI flatcone subs were really nice.

Illusion Audio made really nice SQ subs that are very shallow(but still require good airspace), they just recently went back into business.

Asceendant Audio is coming out with a new lineup.

www.diymobileaudio.com NPDANG is coming out with a really nice sub that should be great and only 150 bucks


If I think of more I'll add them later.

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+Sony Mobile ES line to the "Quality" category.
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+Sony Mobile ES line to the "Quality" category.
I'll add it to the Headunit's list when it comes up. The CDX-C90 and XDP-4000EQ definitely are Audiophile.

The Older Mobil ES line of amps was really good, particularly the XM2000R
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ult...2;t=041017;p=6

Half way down.

The newer Mobil ES headunit's have nice specs, but I'd still take a Pioneer.
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I'll add it to the Headunit's list when it comes up. The CDX-C90 and XDP-4000EQ definitely are Audiophile.

The Older Mobil ES line of amps was really good, particularly the XM2000R
http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ult...2;t=041017;p=6

Half way down.

The newer Mobil ES headunit's have nice specs, but I'd still take a Pioneer.
I'm going to try to convince my uncle to let me have his Mobile ES indash minidisc head unit. Then add a 10-disc to the back. Very good head unit from what I can remember.
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Where's MTX stack up with those as far as amps go?
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Ah, forgot about MTX. I'd put them between the quality/Value group. They're strong amps. Pretty reliable too. You can pick up the '04 models pretty inexspensive now.

Working on component speakers list right now...
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How bad are those Lighting Audio amps? Define "poor", arent all amps the same?

I'm about to buy a LA amp from my friend, but i mightnot anymore.

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I wouldn't say they were as bad as some of the other brands listed in the same group. As long as it works and does close to it's rated power, without adding extra turn on noises or any background noise then it'll work fine.

Lightning Audio is/was a sub division of Rockford Fosgate.

LA makes some very nice Battery Terminals I was thinking about using them for that. On amps though, unless you're getting a smokin deal, you can probably do better for the money.
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Just out've pure curiosity, where does Planet Audio rank? I've never heard any of their stuff, but I seem to hear some good things about 'em.
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Just out've pure curiosity, where does Planet Audio rank? I've never heard any of their stuff, but I seem to hear some good things about 'em.
Zed Audio used to make planet audio amps. I don't think they do anymore. Check out this thread for some amp internal pics. The newer stuff, I'd probably rank them the same as newer Lanzar, and other useable, but imo poor quality. THe older Zed built amps, I'd say they were quality amps.

Lanzar Opti's were also made by Zed, so I'd put them between quality and value.

U.S. Acoustics are/were made by Zed and are a good value. They do put out alot of power.


http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ult...c;f=2;t=041017

There's a few Planet Audio's in there made by Zed that were Hybrid Tube amps.

I wouldn't mess with any of the new stuff.
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^ Thanks bud. I was just curious, 'cause I see it a lot in sigs over in caraudio.com forums...

You should also add Phoenix Gold Titanium under "Quality" perhaps even 'Audphile'....veryyy underrated clean power.
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Id definatly have to disagree with the new Kicker amps in the quality range. I went through 2 of them in a year, one with blown mosefet circuits and the other was undiaganosed, but i was sick of dealing with the damn thing cutting out.

I went to a few car audio joints and talked to them about it, and got the same answer, they are having a lot of problems with reliablity lately, and most the shops have actually stopped carrying them for this reason. stuff kept having to be sent in for warranty.
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Id definatly have to disagree with the new Kicker amps in the quality range. I went through 2 of them in a year, one with blown mosefet circuits and the other was undiaganosed, but i was sick of dealing with the damn thing cutting out.

I went to a few car audio joints and talked to them about it, and got the same answer, they are having a lot of problems with reliablity lately, and most the shops have actually stopped carrying them for this reason. stuff kept having to be sent in for warranty.
Agreed, the older stuff is pretty good, the newer stuff- I'd take something else myself too.
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