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Aisin is OEM. So you're essentially getting a Toyota pump without the Toyota price. Others can be hit and miss. If they rebox, which Aisin also does for parts it doesn't produce, then you look for price. Don't know Melling. Besides, Aisin is $10 cheaper! If you're taking that area apart, I'd just put in an Aisin and go from there.

If it doesn't come with a gasket, then get Fel-Pro TCS45920 crankshaft seal kit, $3.41 (verify your application). Personally I'd coat the paper gaskets with Permatex Ultra Black. Allow 24 hrs to fully cure. Or you can use Permatex Right Stuff for immediate return to service. Fel-Pro should come with two oil pickup tube gaskets, one paper and one metal. Use the metal one without RTV if the mating surfaces are pristine; otherwise use paper and RTV for better seal.


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Is Melling known for great quality? How does it compare to say Aisin?
This melling looks like its a whole plate or what do you mean by whole plate?
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Guys much thanx for this info - very clear concise to the point.

Aisin for sure. I rememember reading about scratching off due to...extra stock?

The price on that kit is amazing, thanx for the pointer!

Guys whats your opinion on STP oil filters, its brand new, 5 minutes old during last test. Keeper or replace?

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Aisin is OEM. So you're essentially getting a Toyota pump without the Toyota price.




Look at all those seals and gaskets for this oil pump... lol

I WISH the 5sfe had the oil-pump run off the crankshaft like nearly ALL 4-bangers of this era did... then you'd only have one gasket and no o-rings and oilpump shaft seals and the like to leak on you...

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Newby question...is there a way to replace oil pump by itself or its just one way ie gotta remove water pump timming belt cover etc?

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Look at all those seals and gaskets for this oil pump... lol

I WISH the 5sfe had the oil-pump run off the crankshaft like nearly ALL 4-bangers of this era did... then you'd only have one gasket and no o-rings and oilpump shaft seals and the like to leak on you...

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Guys whats your opinion on STP oil filters? Keeper or a gonner?
That timing cover, water pump, etc have to come off to replace oil pump or can you get it from the bottom? Sorry guys if it's a weird question.

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Newby question...is there a way to replace oil pump by itself or its just one way ie gotta remove water pump timming belt cover etc?

^ All this AND you gotta drop the oil-pan..



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Guys whats your opinion on STP oil filters? Keeper or a gonner?

You have a golden-era Toyota... ONLY use TOYOTA oem oil-filters (Amazon)...
I use Toyota filters and change the oil every 10,000 miles with REGULAR oil .. car is at 250,000m all original including the clutch.. lol!


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You have a golden-era Toyota... ONLY use TOYOTA oem oil-filters (Amazon)...
I use Toyota filters and change the oil every 10,000 miles with REGULAR oil .. car is at 250,000m all original including the clutch.. lol!


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That's impressive! But now you got me curious - regular... as in dino oil, 10k miles...how? I thought by 7k that's water thin, back to black original color, yada yada yada...no?

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I wouldn't run conventional oil to 10k, especially not in a gen4. Vs. the gen3, gen4 head runs hotter for emissions purposes and is more prone to sludging. If you're going to reseal for oil (except the RMS), take this opportunity to start running full synthetic. I mean, the Supertech (Walmart store brand) full synthetic is $17 for a 5-quart jug.

I think any quality/highly-regarded filter will do you good (check the sticky). I primarily use Wix and Denso (buy them in 12-packs from RockAuto when I'm placing other parts orders). I believe the Denso is literally the OEM filter, just without the Toyota printing on it. Nice-feeling and -looking filter, too: heavy, has the "torque stopper" thing where you can't overtighten it, and painted matte black.

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I wouldn't run conventional oil to 10k, especially not in a gen4. Vs. the gen3, gen4 head runs hotter for emissions purposes and is more prone to sludging. If you're going to reseal for oil (except the RMS), take this opportunity to start running full synthetic. I mean, the Supertech (Walmart store brand) full synthetic is $17 for a 5-quart jug.

I think any quality/highly-regarded filter will do you good (check the sticky). I primarily use Wix and Denso (buy them in 12-packs from RockAuto when I'm placing other parts orders). I believe the Denso is literally the OEM filter, just without the Toyota printing on it. Nice-feeling and -looking filter, too: heavy, has the "torque stopper" thing where you can't overtighten it, and painted matte black.
Yeah not heard of that on these Toyos, thus my curiosity. I use wally synthetic, ez price, ez choice.

While working around oil pump, anything else likely needed in this area that I should consider to go ahead order?

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That's impressive! But now you got me curious - regular... as in dino oil, 10k miles...how? I thought by 7k that's water thin, back to black original color, yada yada yada...no?

Back in the 1980's anything Japanese, from Honda motorcycles to compact cars had 7.5k to 10k oil change intervals on REGULAR oil... 10k on a Toyota filter is what I do.. 7.5k factor interval is VERY conservative.. 10k is fine... even mah 2006 Mazda5 calls for 7.5k oil intervals on REGUALR oil.. again I do 10k on that too.. the key is to use a GOOD (factory) filter.. not some $2 STP/walmart filter..


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I wouldn't run conventional oil to 10k, especially not in a gen4. Vs. the gen3, gen4 head runs hotter for emissions purposes and is more prone to sludging. If you're going to reseal for oil (except the RMS), take this opportunity to start running full synthetic. I mean, the Supertech (Walmart store brand) full synthetic is $17 for a 5-quart jug.

I think any quality/highly-regarded filter will do you good (check the sticky). I primarily use Wix and Denso (buy them in 12-packs from RockAuto when I'm placing other parts orders). I believe the Denso is literally the OEM filter, just without the Toyota printing on it. Nice-feeling and -looking filter, too: heavy, has the "torque stopper" thing where you can't overtighten it, and painted matte black.
Pretty much every car from the 80's until 2017 that uses regular oil has 7.5k intervals... that's conservative, so I go to 10k without problems.. but that's me I know theres billions who change at 3k.. whatever... yes Denso is OEM for filters... good filter, regular oil, and the oil will be barley dark brown at 10k... cheap filter and the oil is nearly black by 3k.... mah 50 centz naturally...

the whole oil thing is overrated/mythology.. overseas 10k is normal for regular oil...





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Back in the 1980's anything Japanese, from Honda motorcycles to compact cars had 7.5k to 10k oil change intervals on REGULAR oil... 10k on a Toyota filter is what I do.. 7.5k factor interval is VERY conservative.. 10k is fine... even mah 2006 Mazda5 calls for 7.5k oil intervals on REGUALR oil.. again I do 10k on that too.. the key is to use a GOOD (factory) filter.. not some $2 STP/walmart filter..


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Yeah not heard of that on these Toyos, thus my curiosity. I use wally synthetic, ez price, ez choice.

While working around oil pump, anything else likely needed in this area that I should consider to go ahead order?
John's seal kit pretty much covers it. Just remember that the oil pump shaft seal should be flush with the outside of the housing, not pushed all the way in - there's a little hole that you'll block if you push it all the way in. In fact you shouldn't even need to do that, because if the Aisin pump comes with the pulley, there'll already be a shaft seal installed.

Oh yeah, about the pump housing-to-block gasket. The Fel-Pro kit indeed comes with a paper gasket, and I do the same as John, smear it with a thin coat of black RTV. However, the OEM gasket and the aftermarket Mahle gasket are metal crush gaskets. Same advice applies, if the surfaces are very clean and flat, the metal gasket will be a more...elegant solution.

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Wally syn oil should be fine. So are major brands like Castrol Titanium, Penn Platinum. I'm moving away from Mobil 1 for a while to Castrol Titanium. Penn Plat also ran very well with the gas-to-liquid oils. You can probably use Supertech filters too, as long as they don't use the plastic el cheapo center tube made by Champion Labs and used in many GM filters. : Also consider Bosch Premium on rockauto too among the choices.

Does your oil filter drain empty after stopping for a while? What pump do you have in there now?


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