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post #16 of 26 Old 07-08-2019, 02:25 PM
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I feel like that fuel line magnet is like... a passive fuel filter that magnetically captures metal particles... except those particles can't be removed and they just accumulate until it plugs the line... That is just my theory on how something like that would work. Otherwise I guess it could... bend the line due to weight...

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I feel like that fuel line magnet is like... a passive fuel filter that magnetically captures metal particles... except those particles can't be removed and they just accumulate until it plugs the line... That is just my theory on how something like that would work. Otherwise I guess it could... bend the line due to weight...
Except that's not what they are advertised to do.
They are advertised to "fracture" the petroleum molecule to promote more efficient combustion.

Taking it at face value, they are claiming that the magnet is breaking down gasoline (oversimplified, C8H18) into lighter molecules, such as methanol or ethanol (CH3OH and C2H5OH).
Kinda hard to do that without a source of hydrogen, since to convert gasoline into ethanol leaves you short by a couple of hydrogen atoms and four ionized oxygen/hydrogen pairs. Ya... 4 molecules of water could provide the raw materials... but that ain't gonna happen in your fuel line

And though methanol and ethanol may burn more cleanly, they also do not have the energy density of gasoline, so your fuel economy would actually worsen.

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Except that's not what they are advertised to do.
They are advertised to "fracture" the petroleum molecule to promote more efficient combustion.

Taking it at face value, they are claiming that the magnet is breaking down gasoline (oversimplified, C8H18) into lighter molecules, such as methanol or ethanol (CH3OH and C2H5OH).
Kinda hard to do that without a source of hydrogen, since to convert gasoline into ethanol leaves you short by a couple of hydrogen atoms and four ionized oxygen/hydrogen pairs. Ya... 4 molecules of water could provide the raw materials... but that ain't gonna happen in your fuel line

And though methanol and ethanol may burn more cleanly, they also do not have the energy density of gasoline, so your fuel economy would actually worsen.
I'd feel like it would be more of a "filter" than what they claim... All I see is a magnet...

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Has anyone tried any of the techniques on gaining mileage from George Wiseman's books ?
Thanks everyone for the opinions. Much appreciated.

However my question was whether "tried any of the techniques".

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I'd feel like it would be more of a "filter" than what they claim... All I see is a magnet...
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A good video on Hydrogen for fuel:
That is a great video and really shows some of the challenges to both technologies.

The fact remains that until alternative fuel sources are economically viable compared to fossil fuels, the market will drive the production and use of fossil fuels.
My next vehicle will likely be a hybrid Camry... not because I'm fooling myself into believing that I will save money... I won't, even at California prices and my driving of 25k/year... but because I would really like to get another 100 or so miles per tank so I can get away with refueling only once a week.

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Thanks everyone for the opinions. Much appreciated.

However my question was whether "tried any of the techniques".
Low RPM = more MPG
65mph at 2100 RPM is more mpg
88 at 3000 rpm is less mpg
At least that is how I see it...

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Thanks everyone for the opinions. Much appreciated.

However my question was whether "tried any of the techniques".
I hear ya. However, I'm not gonna try something I *KNOW* won't work. Like jumping off a roof with a pair of open umbrellas so I can fly. And I would strongly advise someone against trying something like that. As I'm advising against wasting money on fraudulent scams.

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A good video on Hydrogen for fuel:

https://youtu.be/f7MzFfuNOtY
Apparently Icelend uses hydrogen as a fuel because they split the water for free using the free electricity they get from their geothermal power. But that's not what I am asking about.

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I've heard from my sister's husband's brother in law that gas line magnets give a 30% improvement, give more HP, and they'll fix a car failing its emissions test into passing!

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Heck, throw a vortex booster in the intake and you'll have to empty fuel from your tank!




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Apparently Icelend uses hydrogen as a fuel because they split the water for free using the free electricity they get from their geothermal power. But that's not what I am asking about.
It's not exactly "free"
There is a LOT of maintenance, not to mention initial investment, in setting up a geothermal power station.
Same for any kind of power plant.
Nukes produce a lot of "free" electricity if you ignore the investment, maintenance, and disposal costs.
Solar power is likewise extremely costly.

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It's not exactly "free"
There is a LOT of maintenance, not to mention initial investment, in setting up a geothermal power station.
Same for any kind of power plant.
Nukes produce a lot of "free" electricity if you ignore the investment, maintenance, and disposal costs.
Solar power is likewise extremely costly.
You're right. PPL use the term 'free', not in the sense that it costs nothing but that it is free of the use of hydrocarbons. In the case of Iceland they have geothermal "steam geysers" or whatever they are called that are used to produce electricity and heating buildings. They were getting the electricity anyways so it was not a big problem to add the hydrogen production to the mix because in the night time electrical usage goes down.

I used to work with a lot on engineers when I worked at a massive hydroelectric facility in Northern Canada so I am familiar with the notion that electrical usage is lower at night and also that wind power is not reliable as it tends to swing up and down so much that using it for normal electrical grid is dicey at best. Sort of like if your car engine speeded up and slowed down constantly. Electrical devices need steady clean power.

I personally don't care the source of energy, but simply the cost of it. I have friends who are absolutely onboard with the Paris Climate Accord but keep their house heated to the point of being 'tropical'. The whole carbon thing is nonsense IMO and is being touted by PPL like Al Gore because he has a company on the LSE that trades Carbon Credits.

If you read GWs books you will see that there is a lot more to the various technologies than magnets and the other silliness that PPL have mentioned here.

Public ridicule doesn't count in my world. I had an enlarged prostate years ago and it was treated by someone who is now my friend. In one treatment he fixed it, for free (and it it is still fine) with no pain and no strain, and none of the horrible side affects that another (naysayer) friend of mine suffered by getting treated by the "medical establishment". My wife and I also had arthritis and now it's gone with alternative therapies. I had a liver issue (alinine transaminase too high) and now it's gone. I am 66 and only wear reading glasses occasionally thanks to an alternative medical therapy. I fix my wife's sciatica when she overdoes gardening. I fixed my hypothyroid drug free. I've fixed tennis elbow, the list goes on. My prostate is now fine and what a relief, so new ideas are something that I look past the garbage on the internet made up by naysayers. I seek out all the choices till I find one that works.

If I gotta spend 100 dollars on a book or a therapy, big deal. What would I spend on a lifetime of misery from a prostate surgery or a lifetime of pills for hypothyroid or a lifetime of living with a messed up liver or poor vision or a wife with arthritis and sciatica. I've fixed other stuff including tricking out my house to save electricity. It's just a challenge to me.

All I care about is hearing from PPL who have actually tried it and did it carefully so that it worked. Most therapies work but not necessarily with everyone or in every case.

Years ago I was having a hard time deciding whether I should buy a diesel rabbit when they first came out so a wise friend of mine said "just write down a list of the positives and negatives of the idea and then compare. If the positives are greater, then do it". Sometimes I try things that I lose money on, but more often than not I win big.

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