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Toyota Reveals How Many Manual Transmissions It Sells


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Unsurprisingly, the number isn't very large.

It's no secret that manual transmissions are a dying breed, and many automakers refuse to even build them anymore. Even though enthusiasts love to claim they'd one car or another as long as it had a manual, very few buyers are actually putting their money where their mouth is, and the sales numbers prove it. Toyota is one of a handful of car companies that continues to offer a manual option on several of its cars. The Corolla sedan and hatchback, Tacoma, Yaris sedan, and 86 are still offered with manuals, but the take rates are very low. Speaking with Toyota at the launch event for the new Supra, CarBuzz learned just how low.

While sitting at dinner, the topic of manual transmissions came up and we asked to see exactly what percentage of new Toyota cars come with a manual. "I can find you that," said Toyota spokesperson Nancy Hubbell, before showing CarBuzz an email detailing the breakdown of manual take rates across the lineup.

The Corolla lineup has the lowest take rate at less than 1%. With around 280,000 Corollas sold in the United States in 2018, this means less than 2,800 were delivered with a manual transmission. "It's not very high for the Corolla as a whole, but it is better if you just count the hatchback," Hubbell said.

If you only count the Corolla hatchback, which was developed with an all-new six-speed manual transmission, the take rate is much higher at 15%, though hatchback sales pale in comparison to the sedan. The outlook for manuals in the Tacoma and Yaris isn't much better, with buyers of both cars opting for them around 5% of the time. Since the take rate on the Mazda-built Yaris sedan was so low, Toyota decided not to offer the new 2020 Yaris hatchback with a manual option.


Although the Corolla, Tacoma, and Yaris manual take rates are somewhat worrying, the 86 should make up for it...right? Well, we expected a sports car like the 86 to have a much higher take rate than the mainstream cars, but the number is only around 33%. This means two-thirds of 86 buyers are opting for the six-speed automatic in a car that desperately cries out for a manual. If you had any doubt that the manual transmission is dying, the proof is in the sales numbers.
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As much as it pains us to say it, manual transmissions are on their way out. While car enthusiasts bemoan the matter incessantly, as we just did, the reality is that most drivers aren’t interested in owning something with a stick. It’s gotten to a point where many automakers no longer offer vehicles with a manual transmission, or just keep one high-performance model around with an optional clutch pedal just to appease a subset of their customer base.

Toyota, which sells more manual models than most, recently spilled its guts to CarBuzz after the outlet requested the company reveal the percentage of its new cars still sold with a manual while attending the Supra launch event.

The resulting figures are about what you’d expect.

At the time of this writing, Toyota still sells manual variants of the Yaris, Corolla, 86 coupe, and Tacoma pickup — albeit not in every trim. However, the world’s most prolific automobile (the Corolla) saw less than 1 percent of U.S. buyers opt for a manual transmission in 2018. Toyota spokesperson Nancy Hubbell said that breaks down to roughly 2,800 vehicles. “It’s not very high for the Corolla as a whole, but it is better if you just count the hatchback,” Hubbell said, adding that roughly 15 percent were sold with a stick.

Once again, hatchback owners prove themselves to be the real automotive enthusiast — or perhaps this author’s disgusting bias is showing. Still, it should be said that Toyota intentionally positioned the new-for-2019 hatch as the more performance-oriented choice, even if we were to go by looks alone. It’s possible the company could boost those manual numbers a bit if it found a way to run with the hatch’s diet-performance image while adding some power, but without breaking the bank.

The 86, which you might expect to have a more even split, as it is quite literally an enthusiast car, only saw a third of its brethren shipped with a stick in 2018. Considering that a six-speed manual was supposed to be part of its overall appeal, and that stick-shift models actually boast five additional horsepower, this was quite the surprise.

Meanwhile, the Yaris and Tacoma saw around 5 percent of U.S. customers choosing to row their own gears in 2018. That breaks down to about 12,280 pickups and just 97 examples of the itty-bitty hatchback.

With that in mind, it should be no surprise as to why Toyota decided against providing the Yaris with a manual option for the 2020 model year and has already relegated clutch pedals to well-equipped Tacoma TRDs with the beefier V6.

Yeah, yeah. We know you hate it. But the manual is living on borrowed time, continuing to lose prominence as fewer and fewer adults bother to learn how to drive stick. We’re just glad some manufacturers still bothering providing them, as there’s not much of a financial case to be made anymore.

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As with manual transmissions, common sense and intelligence are also dying breeds.

Every year you can read about car thieves or carjackers that can't drive a manual transmission and get caught.

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I think everyone learning to drive should start out with a manual. Harder to find these days.

I learned to drive when I was 14 in a ‘66 C10 with three on the tree. Later learned to drive farm trucks with manuals and 2-spd axles, which are fun.

My now nearly 40 YO son learned to drive in a ‘92 Ranger with a 5spd, and now he’s a die hard manual driver. He almost won’t consider getting anything with an auto.

A while back I borrowed his 3-series BMW with a stick for about a week, thinking it would be fun. I didn’t hate it, but I found it tedious to stir my own gears.

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This is first time in my life i dont own a manual trans. Out of 30 cars ive owned probably 23 or them have been stick. After the kids are grown i plan on having a fun weekend car that will be stick. I had my corolla that was a 5 speed was the most recent and i have bad knees and just couldnt do it any more on a daily. But I agree everyone learning to drive should start on a manual trans. I remember when my dad was teaching me. Had my first car was an 87 pontiac fiero and he basically took me to the steepest hill and said figure it out lol. Granted at time i had basic knowledge but i still drifted back and such and all that but i learned pretty quick that day lol


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Wife's Camry Hybrid is an automatic, my Miata is a stick. I think I read 76% of Miata owners drive stick.
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I think everyone learning to drive should start out with a manual.
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Too hard for kids these days to drive a stick. I can’t imagine trying to juggle one hand on the wheel, one on the stick, and one holding a phone.
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Too hard for kids these days to drive a stick. I can’t imagine trying to juggle one hand on the wheel, one on the stick, and one holding a phone.
This. But it's not just the kids. It's the grown ups too. People just don't treat driving as a serious responsibility. Driver training in the US is a total joke.

Also, I have said in another thread about this topic that this situation is a catch 22/chicken before the egg thing. Dealers are not ordering cars with manuals. People tend not to want to wait for a car optioned the way they want to be delivered. So most buyers will just buy what's on the lot. Add to it, less and less models having the option to buy one with a manual. And you arrive to where we are now.

Unfortunately, both of my cars are now auto-tragics. I had no choice with my C-HR. Only one trans and a CVT at that...ugh.... My 135i is a DCT. Would rather have gotten the 6 speed manual but when I was in the market for that car, BMW had ceased production. In my area, if I wanted a new black 135i, it was the car I got. There was no inventory of any new black 135i cars across 4 states in my area. This has been a change from after my first car which was an auto. Every car since then till the recent two were manuals. Well, at least I have my two sport bikes which are sequential manuals.
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Too hard for kids these days to drive a stick. I can’t imagine trying to juggle one hand on the wheel, one on the stick, and one holding a phone.
Given our enlightened times , I'm sure there's a certain segment of the population that looks at using a manual shift as a sign of the patriarchy forcing people to simulate male masturbation due to the phallic nature of the stick shift. Nothing surprises me anymore.



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