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post #1 of 14 Old 10-06-2006, 06:26 PM
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Are Camrys' Still as Well Make as in the past

My wife's Camry has been virtually trouble free.
With 136k we have done the expected,Timing belt,cam and crank seals, oil
pump O rings, plus transmittion oil change,coolant change ...etc.

But my 2002 Camry with only 40k has recently had to have the air/fuel sensor
and a/c mag.clutch relay replaced.

So, I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come around
to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers succumbed to.


 
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post #2 of 14 Old 10-06-2006, 07:44 PM
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Re: Are Camrys' Still as Well Make as in the past

No, they are not as well made as the pre-97s. Or even the highly
regarded 82-84 (nobody wants these anyway). Toyota is slowing the
introduction of new models just to address the quality issues they've
encountered. In 2005 about 10% of Toyotas were affected by recalls.
Only Ford did worse at 12%. Compared to 6% for GM.

That's why I say to wait on the 07 Camry to let the bugs work
themselves out. So far we know some of these transmissions, with 20%
fewer parts, skip gears after two months. I didn't know 20% of a
transmission's parts are optional ;) But if you can find a new 06 still
around at year-end clearance price it's probably the best bet.



lobo wrote:[color=blue]
> My wife's Camry has been virtually trouble free.
> With 136k we have done the expected,Timing belt,cam and crank seals, oil
> pump O rings, plus transmittion oil change,coolant change ...etc.
>
> But my 2002 Camry with only 40k has recently had to have the air/fuel sensor
> and a/c mag.clutch relay replaced.
>
> So, I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come around
> to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers succumbed to.[/color]

 
post #3 of 14 Old 10-06-2006, 09:37 PM
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Re: Are Camrys' Still as Well Make as in the past

Actualy in the last few years Toyota has Recallaed More cars than they
sold for one model year, their recall rate for the US was for one year
possibly a record,

So much for jap quality, now its jap crap.,

No im not biased , ive owned toys since 84

But crap is as crap does, break early.

 
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post #4 of 14 Old 10-06-2006, 10:43 PM
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Hmmm, just realized that both parts that failed were made by Denzo....


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> No, they are not as well made as the pre-97s. Or even the highly
> regarded 82-84 (nobody wants these anyway). Toyota is slowing the
> introduction of new models just to address the quality issues they've
> encountered. In 2005 about 10% of Toyotas were affected by recalls.
> Only Ford did worse at 12%. Compared to 6% for GM.
>
> That's why I say to wait on the 07 Camry to let the bugs work
> themselves out. So far we know some of these transmissions, with 20%
> fewer parts, skip gears after two months. I didn't know 20% of a
> transmission's parts are optional ;) But if you can find a new 06 still
> around at year-end clearance price it's probably the best bet.
>
>
>
> lobo wrote:[color=green]
>> My wife's Camry has been virtually trouble free.
>> With 136k we have done the expected,Timing belt,cam and crank seals, oil
>> pump O rings, plus transmittion oil change,coolant change ...etc.
>>
>> But my 2002 Camry with only 40k has recently had to have the air/fuel
>> sensor
>> and a/c mag.clutch relay replaced.
>>
>> So, I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come
>> around
>> to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers succumbed
>> to.[/color]
>[/color]


 
post #5 of 14 Old 10-07-2006, 12:06 AM
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When you say 20% fewer parts, are you referring to the 6 speed A/T with
sequential shift or the 5 speed A/T?

 
post #6 of 14 Old 10-07-2006, 01:07 AM
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on the later models the trany has be fixed it was the early 07's but we will
have to wait an see.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> No, they are not as well made as the pre-97s. Or even the highly
> regarded 82-84 (nobody wants these anyway). Toyota is slowing the
> introduction of new models just to address the quality issues they've
> encountered. In 2005 about 10% of Toyotas were affected by recalls.
> Only Ford did worse at 12%. Compared to 6% for GM.
>
> That's why I say to wait on the 07 Camry to let the bugs work
> themselves out. So far we know some of these transmissions, with 20%
> fewer parts, skip gears after two months. I didn't know 20% of a
> transmission's parts are optional ;) But if you can find a new 06 still
> around at year-end clearance price it's probably the best bet.
>
>
>
> lobo wrote:[color=green]
>> My wife's Camry has been virtually trouble free.
>> With 136k we have done the expected,Timing belt,cam and crank seals, oil
>> pump O rings, plus transmittion oil change,coolant change ...etc.
>>
>> But my 2002 Camry with only 40k has recently had to have the air/fuel
>> sensor
>> and a/c mag.clutch relay replaced.
>>
>> So, I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come
>> around
>> to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers succumbed
>> to.[/color]
>[/color]


 
post #7 of 14 Old 10-07-2006, 12:00 PM
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lobo wrote:
I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come
around[color=blue]
> to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers succumbed to.[/color]
=================
Toyota is a victim of their own success.
Fortune magazine had a feature article last year in an article
describing them as one of the best run companies in the world but also
having some difficulty translating their long standing concept of
"kaizen" or continuous improvement to new workers.
They were sending management people to the United States to try to
instill the manufacturing culture that created such durable and popular
vehicles.
Simultaneously they are improving production time and profit.
So they are striving to maximize efficiency on various fronts
simultaneously.
I think this is quite different from American manufacturers in the past
deciding that by frivolously creating change and short product life,
consumers would purchase more.
Actually, the philosophies are opposites.

 
post #8 of 14 Old 10-08-2006, 07:43 AM
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Yeah go buy a Chrysler or GM even a NISSAN and drive for a couple of
years --- then you'll be back for Yota quality. I had stuff fixed free (AC
on 12 year old 4Rnr) from Toyota - Special Service Campaign) many years past
warranty. New cars are very complicated - stuff does break - but Yota
stands behind fixing them (take the purported sludging of engines - they
extended warranty). Plus price seems to remain pretty constant with new
features added. You can still get a new Camry for $18k!

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> My wife's Camry has been virtually trouble free.
> With 136k we have done the expected,Timing belt,cam and crank seals, oil
> pump O rings, plus transmittion oil change,coolant change ...etc.
>
> But my 2002 Camry with only 40k has recently had to have the air/fuel
> sensor and a/c mag.clutch relay replaced.
>
> So, I'm wondering if this is a sign of things to come.Has Toyota come
> around to the planned obsolesance that the American car manufacturers
> succumbed to.
>[/color]


 
post #9 of 14 Old 10-09-2006, 08:09 AM
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In 05 Toy recalled more cars than sold in the US, 2.38 million recalled,
2.26 million sold. Toy quality isnt what it used to be

 
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The best Toyotas were made during 70s. These cars were easy to fix and service, had less plastic and rubber parts, were creatively designed and well build. While new, they still were able to go 25 mpg (corolla 1.6, 2TC).
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Yeah if you don't mind them rusting away. New ones don't seem to rust.

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The 70's car where indeed simple to maintain. Just imagine, those cars
dont have electronic sensors, EFI and ABS and all those things cars
have today. Now you need fault codes, special tools, etc.

I really don't remember my family having to talk about MPG in the 70's,
what was important was MPH.

 
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Pardon my ignorance about the rust problem because I am living in California.
However, the hatch doors on 82-85 Celicas and Supras are developing huge rust gashes around the glass.
Also, on my 87 Camry Wagon I have found primed, but unpainted area above the rear door opening around the hinges.
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Camrys are now manufactured in Kentuckey, no longer
in Japan and exported to U.S. With my 2003 up on a
lift for regular maintenance at my local dealer, I
popped the question to my salesman about upgrading
to a 2007 model. His reply..."Although I could
make lots of money selling you a new one, keep the
one that you have. Not only is yours in excellent
condition with low mileage, but it is the last year
for the Japanese built version in North America.
Although the U.S. built car is quite good, I have noticed
certain things about this model that don't live up to the standards of the
past."
From the lips of babes???

 
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