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Is there a difference between 1st and 2nd gen 5efe ?

I've been reading up on on 5efe engines I have a dis style 5efe and was reading that the first gen 5efe motors have thicker rods the same ones as the 5efhe ? Is this true and if not where could you buy OEM 5efhe connecting rods and pistons ? And are they a drop in replacement in a 5efe dis engine

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Well I found this it should help. :

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/communi...d-4efte.83088/

And you can pretty much forget finding the top end, anything from a 5efhe, they were "tuff" to find back in the day and most likely impossible to find now?? But ... it "seems" like the first gen Toyota Paseo, had a 5efhe bottom end, in there 5efe??? And those are still to be found.
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I seen this but wasn't sure if it was true because after I read that I also read someone with the years he was talking about had a bent 5efe rod and it looked like every other one. But I did happen to find a site that sells all the 5efhe stuff ! OEM Toyota https://www.nengun.com/oem/toyota/cynos-el54-83984

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Well thanks for that site. I don't seem to be able to navigate, my browser I suppose. But I did find this. :

Tercel 1987-91 1456cc 3E engine
1.5L Carb. 12-valve SOHC 4 connecting rod - CRTO26 $79.25
Tercel 1990-94 1456cc 3EE engine
1.5L F.I. 12-valve SOHC 4 connecting rod - CRTO26 $79.25
Paseo 1992-95 1497cc 5EFE engine
1.5L F.I. 16-valve DOHC 4 connecting rod - CRTO26 $79.25
Tercel, Paseo 1995-98 1497cc 5EFE engine
1.5L F.I. 16-valve DOHC 4 connecting rod - CRTO26 $79.25 (95-96)
1.5L F.I. 16-valve DOHC 4 connecting rod - CRTO32 $80.60 (97-98)

So in the US, the 3e,3ee, and 5efe (first generation) all use the same rods. The second gen 5efe with no return fuel line and DIS, use a thinner rod.

I think I've seen a 5efhe rod before ... on Tercelonline ... and I thought it was different?? The best way to check, short of having one, would be to see if it is the same P/N as the others.?? But I don't know car a 5efhe came in??

Hmm maybe a Cynos, or a Corsa?? I have no idea what those are???



And that bent rod?? Well you don't know what happened there, unless it was your car?? But it takes power to bend a rod ... normally but to much timing and or lack of fuel ie poor tuning can wreck a motor in the blink of an eye! Pre-ignition, Detonation & Knock and such.

http://www.masterenginetuner.com/pre...etonation.html

Don't blame the motor blame the tuner. A properly tuned 4efte/5efe (first gen anyway) with all stock internals can live making 300 hp, IF, tuned properly.
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5efhe is only JDM never was here , I'm looking to get the thicker rods I want to eventually go 200 + horse power and maybe turbo it down the road and apparently I have the model with the worst rods that came in them , the difference is a thicker rods and both the first gen 5efe and 5efhe have dome shaped pistons as where mine is flat top I'm not sure if my piston will work with the 5efhe rod I'm not sure why it wouldn't though

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Well, if you want beefy rods, you pretty much have to go aftermarket: Carrillo, Pauter, etc.
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I just want something a little bit strong don't really want to go after market forged from what I've read the 5efhe rods can handle quite a bit of abuse. Now I found some part numbers for the rods


1993-Toyota Part No.: 13201-19087

1997-Toyota Part No.: 13201-19117

1995- 5efhe-13201-19117

It seems that the later year rods are the same as the 5efhe. When I pull my engine to take it apart I'll also get an older motor and see if my rods are different between the two

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I just want something a little bit strong don't really want to go after market forged from what I've read the 5efhe rods can handle quite a bit of abuse. Now I found some part numbers for the rods


1993-Toyota Part No.: 13201-19087

1997-Toyota Part No.: 13201-19117

1995- 5efhe-13201-19117

It seems that the later year rods are the same as the 5efhe. When I pull my engine to take it apart I'll also get an older motor and see if my rods are different between the two

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Well that makes no sense?? I'm pretty sure the 97 5efe is DIS?? I have one but it's not apart ...yet. And the DIS 5efe does have the thinner rods. But if 5efe's were not DIS motors in 97 ... then never mind.
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They were dis also but apparently after 96 they put back in stronger rods ? That's why it's kinda confusing aleast that's what someone has said in another discussion i guess I'll find out soon enough , they said dis 95-96 used weaker then 97 and up went to thicker

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