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post #271 of 371 Old 05-23-2019, 02:13 PM
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Yes, sales are horrible for the 5th Gen compared to the 4th Gen. Now I know why my salesperson said the ‘19 HV would be rare.

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I picked up my Avalon Limited Hybrid with Advanced Safety last Saturday, and I think it is a great car. I came from two Lexus ES300h's and am very pleased with my purchase.


Usually when one gets a new car, you begin to see other versions of it on the road. Other than one I saw in Tucson in March, I have not seen another Avalon of any trim level (other than on a dealer lot). Is anyone else experiencing this?

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Usually when one gets a new car, you begin to see other versions of it on the road. Other than one I saw in Tucson in March, I have not seen another Avalon of any trim level (other than on a dealer lot). Is anyone else experiencing this?

That's why this thread started.


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Shortly after I bought my 2019 Avalon in August 2018 we made a 1000 mile round-trip to Northern NY and back. Saw one on the way up and two more on the way back as we crossed PA on I81.

I usually see at least one a month while driving in the Northern Virginia area. Two people in the neighborhood also have 2019 Limiteds they got after the first of the year. So far, mine is the only one I've seen on the road that is Harbor Gray Metallic.

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I picked up my Avalon Limited Hybrid with Advanced Safety last Saturday, and I think it is a great car. I came from two Lexus ES300h's and am very pleased with my purchase.


Usually when one gets a new car, you begin to see other versions of it on the road. Other than one I saw in Tucson in March, I have not seen another Avalon of any trim level (other than on a dealer lot). Is anyone else experiencing this?
I see two on the road locally. Both were bought early in the model year. Local dealerships (3) have 22 Avalons currently in stock, and the place that takes care of my 2011 has some nice incentives on offer. On the other hand, this end of town is overrun with new Highlanders.
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I understand that many people are buying SUV's but I haven't seen even one Avalon in 9 days. It is such a great car, I don't know why I haven't seen even one. In my case, dealers around here would not trade Avalons with other dealers if the car was a particular color (mine is Wind Chill Pearl) or have the Advanced Safety Package, but they still can't sell what they have. I had to rive over 100 miles to pick up mine.



I know this is the wrong thread for this; however, I have found that the new SAT radio and/or the JBL sound system works great. I am able to drive the entire length of the Lincoln Tunnel into NYC from NJ and never lose the SAT signal. My 2016 Lexus ES300h and my wife's 2017 Lexus RX450h can't do that. The receiver is also able to keep a station where there were dead zones around her that my other cars encountered. Anyone else have this good luck?

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I picked up my Avalon Limited Hybrid with Advanced Safety last Saturday, and I think it is a great car. I came from two Lexus ES300h's and am very pleased with my purchase.


Usually when one gets a new car, you begin to see other versions of it on the road. Other than one I saw in Tucson in March, I have not seen another Avalon of any trim level (other than on a dealer lot). Is anyone else experiencing this?
Bear up!! I am having a hard time believing that there are new avalons in tucson. LOL

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I have had mine for about two months I think. I have not seen any others let alone a Touring in the Portland Area and I drive about 2-3hrs a day. I am OK with that bc it makes my car unique. I am sure they are out there just haven't seen them. I'm driving the Black Swan I guess.

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I have had mine for about two months I think. I have not seen any others let alone a Touring in the Portland Area and I drive about 2-3hrs a day. I am OK with that bc it makes my car unique. I am sure they are out there just haven't seen them. I'm driving the Black Swan I guess.
Portlandia? I think of Prius and Subaru being the most popular there.
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Portlandia? I think of Prius and Subaru being the most popular there.
Yeah that's about right.

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traditionally Camry was the default car, ES the car for status fiends and Avalon for rich folks in retirement communities ...

Camry and ES are still that and still sell ( sure they lost some to SUVs but they sell well for their class of vehicle )

Avalon though lost its way ... it is too expensive and not sporty enough to go after Nissan Maxima crowd and too cramped and not luxurious enough to convince the traditional Avalon buyer ...

it also doesn't help that Lexus ES is beautiful inside and out and has better lease deals than Avalon due to having better resale value ...

it also doesn't help that you can get much of what Avalon offers ( like Ventilated seats and a choice of performance or hybrid drivetrains ) in a Honda Accord Touring for a lot less money ...

between Camry, ES and Accord ( all excellent cars ) it's a tight squeeze ...

why is panoramic roof standard on Camry V6 but not available on Avalon in any trim ?

in my opinion it is NOT the grille that is driving people away ... it's that with the squashed roofline Avalon now competes not with LaCrosse but with Maxima and Accord and it's priced too high to compete with them ...

Toyota already realized their mistake and is offering steep discounts but without good lease offers the sales will remain low ...

perhaps Toyota is OK with this ... perhaps they want Avalon to remain the exclusive choice and anybody who wants value can go for the Camry ...

but i think it would have been smarter to take some sales from Maxima and Accord Touring by offering good leases on the Avalon ... but Toyota is afraid if they did this they would hurt the ES sales ...

or perhaps if you consider that current gen Camry is bigger than previous gen Avalon it shouldn't be surprising at all that there simply isn't as much space left ABOVE the Camry for the Avalon ...

finally advertisement is a factor - Camry ads on TV all the time and i seen ES ads on TV as well but not Avalon ads ... granted i haven't had a TV in over a decade but my gym has plenty of TVs ...

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Very interesting comments. I drove the Accord Touring and Camry XLS V6 back to back. What I didnt like about the Camry was interior room and the Panoramic roof that only goes back about 2/3 of the way and lots of wind noise when open.. Trans clunked when shifting, no cooled seats.. Did have a Good stereo and a real gear shifter. The Accord was bigger inside, horrible button shifter, very low stance, great 10 speed trans, and a big back seat and trunk. Going to look at an Avalon Touring W/ Safety package. Stereo should be good, Apple Car Play, and a regular Sun-roof which I like. Seems to check all the boxes, gotta see if its comfortable and not too low of a roof line. I had a 98 Avalon years ago and hated it. I'm thinking I will like the Touring a lot more. $ 3,000 factory rebate helps too...
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Avalon though lost its way ... it is too expensive and not sporty enough to go after Nissan Maxima crowd and too cramped and not luxurious enough to convince the traditional Avalon buyer
Interesting perspective, I am an ex-Maxima owner, had 2, a GLE from 1995, and a SE in 2000. Both went well over 200,000 miles with the great Nissan V-6 and a standard automatic transmission.

I wouldn't even consider a Maxima anymore once they went to the CVT transmission. Simply not sporty in any way (IMO). I also considered the Honda Accord Touring, but was scared away by the Turbo engine, and the obvious issues Honda is having with gasoline in their engine from the Turbos.

It's my opinion (I know I'm a dinosaur) that CVT's are only for the manufacturers to increase their MPG's by a couple, and as they are cheaper to build, and will cost the consumer a lot more to replace (generally not repairable) when they die.

With the average age of vehicles on the road being ~12 years old, these CVT's are going to be expensive.

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Interesting perspective, I am an ex-Maxima owner, had 2, a GLE from 1995, and a SE in 2000. Both went well over 200,000 miles with the great Nissan V-6 and a standard automatic transmission.

I wouldn't even consider a Maxima anymore once they went to the CVT transmission. Simply not sporty in any way (IMO). I also considered the Honda Accord Touring, but was scared away by the Turbo engine, and the obvious issues Honda is having with gasoline in their engine from the Turbos.

It's my opinion (I know I'm a dinosaur) that CVT's are only for the manufacturers to increase their MPG's by a couple, and as they are cheaper to build, and will cost the consumer a lot more to replace (generally not repairable) when they die.

With the average age of vehicles on the road being ~12 years old, these CVT's are going to be expensive.
Time marches on. I’m old enough to remember the arguments from the contrarians/naysayers about automatic transmissions, seatbelts, DRLs, I-4s, V6s, diesels (in the US), radial tires, non-leaded gas, turbos, gasohol, ABS, halogen/HID/LED/Laser upcoming headlights, hybrids, CVTs, EVs, fuel cells, and self-driving vehicles. Everyone has an opinion, which they are entitled to in this country, at least for now.
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Sorry, but I have to laugh when someone mentions “trade-in” value of automobiles. Anyone in the auto business knows deprecation is: 20% the 1st year, and then 15% a year thereafter until the car is worthless as a trade. This rule of thumb applies to any mass produced automobile. BTW, that extra 5% the first year is the profit the dealership made, regardless of the “great deal” you got. That is why the salesperson will always ask what you think your car is worth. Your answer tells him or her how much extra profit they’re going to make. You can’t beat the house at their own game.

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