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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I've decided I'd rather have a new '06 Camry from Japan instead
of a more stylish '07 Camry from Georgetown--just my personal
preference (I'm sure both cars are great machines).

Of course, the best of both worlds would be to buy the
re-styled '07 *AND* have it come from Japan. But I'm worried
when the '07s become available in March, none will be from Japan?

The Saint Louis dealer 100 miles away told me
they usually only get Japan cars at the end of the year.
What do you all think--any '07 J-cars comin' in March?

Thanks.
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've decided I'd rather have a new '06 Camry from Japan instead
> of a more stylish '07 Camry from Georgetown--just my personal
> preference (I'm sure both cars are great machines).
>
> Of course, the best of both worlds would be to buy the
> re-styled '07 *AND* have it come from Japan. But I'm worried
> when the '07s become available in March, none will be from Japan?
>
> The Saint Louis dealer 100 miles away told me
> they usually only get Japan cars at the end of the year.
> What do you all think--any '07 J-cars comin' in March?
>
> Thanks.


West coast dealers will have them.
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
One of Toyota's engineers had this to say about the new
6-speed automatic transmission that's available with
the six-cylinder (V6) '07 Camry:

"The old five-speed automatic transmission was much more
expensive than the new six-speed automatic. The new transmission
has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight. I don't know how much
less it costs to build, but from the start of development, engineering
was working to reduce parts and increase performance."
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Built_Well wrote:
> One of Toyota's engineers had this to say about the new
> 6-speed automatic transmission that's available with
> the six-cylinder (V6) '07 Camry:
>
> "...from the start of development, engineering was working
> to reduce parts and increase performance."


Interesting that he didn't have anything to say about reliability.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
'Available,' does that mean it will be optional or standard equipment?


mike hunt


"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> One of Toyota's engineers had this to say about the new
> 6-speed automatic transmission that's available with
> the six-cylinder (V6) '07 Camry:
>
> "The old five-speed automatic transmission was much more
> expensive than the new six-speed automatic. The new transmission
> has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight. I don't know how much
> less it costs to build, but from the start of development, engineering
> was working to reduce parts and increase performance."
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 'Available,' does that mean it will be optional or standard equipment?
>
>
> mike hunt
>


It looks like 4 cylinder Camrys get a five speed automatic and 6 cylinder
Camrys get a 6 speed automatic.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
> The new transmission
> has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.


(!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.

The 07 looks more Frankenstein-ish of styles from other makes (such as
the G35 mix others posted) than innovative. But it's less bland to say
the least.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > The new transmission
> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.

>
> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>


Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk, if
I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and I
like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission than a
first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding up?

Still, 6-speeds has got to be reaching the limit for marginal return; it
can't be very much more efficient or useful than a 5-speed. I wonder if it
shifts faster? That might make a difference in performance.

> The 07 looks more Frankenstein-ish of styles from other makes (such as
> the G35 mix others posted) than innovative. But it's less bland to say
> the least.
>


I've only seen photos but I thought it looked good. I'm not a big fan of
the looks of the current Camry. This one looks, somehow, similar but
better.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
"DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> > The new transmission
>> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.

>>
>> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
>> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>>

>
> Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk,
> if
> I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and
> I
> like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission than
> a
> first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding
> up?
>
> Still, 6-speeds has got to be reaching the limit for marginal return; it
> can't be very much more efficient or useful than a 5-speed. I wonder if
> it
> shifts faster? That might make a difference in performance.


I have not seen any technical reports on the 6-speed transmission but my
guess is that there is another planetary gear set. The number of speeds
does not have any bearing on how "fast" a transmission shifts. A fast shift
will be more efficient although the shifts will feel harsh.

As a general rule, more gear ratios will mean better fuel economy and/or
performance. The limiting factor in the number of gear ratios is the extra
weight, cost, and complexity that come with more gear ratios.

I've hear rumors that the next generation Lexus LS will have an eight speed
transmission...
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Like the Fusion, seems the smaller engine could make better use of the extra
gear to help it stay up on the torque curve. ;)

mike hunt

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"Ray O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> 'Available,' does that mean it will be optional or standard equipment?
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>

>
> It looks like 4 cylinder Camrys get a five speed automatic and 6 cylinder
> Camrys get a 6 speed automatic.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Like the Fusion, seems the smaller engine could make better use of the
> extra gear to help it stay up on the torque curve. ;)
>
> mike hunt
>


I'm with you there! I see the same "reverse" thinking on many different
makes - more gears mated with more horsepower and torque instead of with
less horsepower and torque, where the extra speeds would improve
performance.
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Ray O
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
"Ray O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> 'Available,' does that mean it will be optional or standard equipment?
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>

>
> It looks like 4 cylinder Camrys get a five speed automatic and 6 cylinder
> Camrys get a 6 speed automatic.


So, what would be the 6th speed? Ultra overdrive?

> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
I was looking at a Mazda 5 and the epa figures were almost identical for the
manual and automatic. I think they were 1 mpg different City and Highway.


"DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> > The new transmission
>> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.

>>
>> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
>> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>>

>
> Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk,
> if
> I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and
> I
> like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission than
> a
> first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding
> up?
>
> Still, 6-speeds has got to be reaching the limit for marginal return; it
> can't be very much more efficient or useful than a 5-speed. I wonder if
> it
> shifts faster? That might make a difference in performance.
>
>> The 07 looks more Frankenstein-ish of styles from other makes (such as
>> the G35 mix others posted) than innovative. But it's less bland to say
>> the least.
>>

>
> I've only seen photos but I thought it looked good. I'm not a big fan of
> the looks of the current Camry. This one looks, somehow, similar but
> better.
>
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
8 speed AT? Either that metal has got to be getting stronger or the AT has
got to be getting bigger.


"Ray O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> > The new transmission
>>> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.
>>>
>>> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
>>> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>>>

>>
>> Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk,
>> if
>> I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and
>> I
>> like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission
>> than a
>> first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding
>> up?
>>
>> Still, 6-speeds has got to be reaching the limit for marginal return; it
>> can't be very much more efficient or useful than a 5-speed. I wonder if
>> it
>> shifts faster? That might make a difference in performance.

>
> I have not seen any technical reports on the 6-speed transmission but my
> guess is that there is another planetary gear set. The number of speeds
> does not have any bearing on how "fast" a transmission shifts. A fast
> shift will be more efficient although the shifts will feel harsh.
>
> As a general rule, more gear ratios will mean better fuel economy and/or
> performance. The limiting factor in the number of gear ratios is the
> extra weight, cost, and complexity that come with more gear ratios.
>
> I've hear rumors that the next generation Lexus LS will have an eight
> speed transmission...
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
"DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> > The new transmission
>> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.

>>
>> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
>> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>>

>
> Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk,
> if
> I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and
> I
> like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission than
> a
> first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding
> up?


My Father has a CVT in a Freestyle. It has been flawless. Very good
transmission (sourced from ZF in Europe). Interestingly, the Five Hundred
and Fusion both use Aisin Warner Automatic Transmissons (if you don't get
the CVT i the Five Hundred). Since this company is primarly owned by Toyota
and is a prime Toyota supplier, don't you supppose the awesome, wonderfiul
supper great Toyota 6 speed automatic is the same as or at least very
similar to the piece of crap 6 speed tranmission sold in the Fusion? Oh
what a feeling. Moving forward....;

Ed
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
"Sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> 'Available,' does that mean it will be optional or standard equipment?
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>

>>
>> It looks like 4 cylinder Camrys get a five speed automatic and 6 cylinder
>> Camrys get a 6 speed automatic.

>
> So, what would be the 6th speed? Ultra overdrive?
>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>

Additional gear ratios are generally added between existing ratios rather
than at the high end.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>8 speed AT? Either that metal has got to be getting stronger or the AT has
>got to be getting bigger.
>
>

An extra planetary gear set would probably add about 2 or 3 inches to the
transmission's overall length at the most.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Many of the Toyota auto trannnys are made in Durham NC and Virginia.


"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "DH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> > The new transmission
>>> > has 20 percent fewer parts and reduced weight.
>>>
>>> (!) Sounds like people may want to pick up a 2006 with the now-proven
>>> transmission before getting a 2007 with a cheap knock-down tranny.
>>>

>>
>> Fewer parts sounds like a good starting point to me. I'd take this risk,
>> if
>> I were in the market for a V6 Camry (but I don't need that much power and
>> I
>> like my fuel economy). I'd rather take a chance on this transmission
>> than a
>> first-year transmission from Ford. I wonder how those CVTs are holding
>> up?

>
> My Father has a CVT in a Freestyle. It has been flawless. Very good
> transmission (sourced from ZF in Europe). Interestingly, the Five Hundred
> and Fusion both use Aisin Warner Automatic Transmissons (if you don't get
> the CVT i the Five Hundred). Since this company is primarly owned by
> Toyota and is a prime Toyota supplier, don't you supppose the awesome,
> wonderfiul supper great Toyota 6 speed automatic is the same as or at
> least very similar to the piece of crap 6 speed tranmission sold in the
> Fusion? Oh what a feeling. Moving forward....;
>
> Ed
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:41:00 -0600, "Ray O"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Art" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]


>>8 speed AT? Either that metal has got to be getting stronger or the AT has
>>got to be getting bigger.

>
>An extra planetary gear set would probably add about 2 or 3 inches to the
>transmission's overall length at the most.


Maybe not - it might just need an extra clutch pack or two, and a
smarter computer to run them all. You can get several different gear
ratios out of a planetary (both speed increase and reduction)
depending on which of the three elements is the drive, driven, and
stopped/locked part - but AIUI they usually only use two.

They might have come up with a way to shift a few of the existing
planetary sets into additional useful ratios.

--<< Bruce >>--

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Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
ll <[email protected]> wrote:

> Built_Well wrote:
> > One of Toyota's engineers had this to say about the new
> > 6-speed automatic transmission that's available with
> > the six-cylinder (V6) '07 Camry:
> >
> > "...from the start of development, engineering was working
> > to reduce parts and increase performance."

>
> Interesting that he didn't have anything to say about reliability.


Reduced parts count is normally a big factor in improving reliability, so
I would expect the new tranny to be more reliable.

Merritt
 
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