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Hi everybody...
I have the 2007 Camry XLE V6 with 30K miles on it.
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I want to install Xenon HID headlight; don't know what to do as the car is supposed to already come with HID lights/setup... do i still need a conversion kit?
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Also want to upgrade stock rotors to perforated ones (stock ones already warped twice and were fixed and replaced under warranty) i just want to avoid the situation to happen in the future.
Thanks for any input....
 

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Drilled rotors.

Let’s go back…
First set of rotors were resurfaced once and since that didn’t work very well, Toyota replaced them (including pads).The car has now 33k miles they are warped again.
I’m scheduled to meet a Regional Manager to test drive it next week (May 5th).
This happens to me every time I hit 135 mph and need to slow down to 40 mph.
At that point the steering wheel and brake pedal shakes out of control.
Is it wrong to assume that the OEM can’t take the heat caused by high speeds?
This is also causing a glaze on the pads and the car feels like it’s sliding instead of braking.
These are the only reason why I’m considering replacing them with drilled rotors.
Reason for Regional Manager:
I had a heated discussion with the Service Manager (Toyota @ Westport, CT) that told me that since the issue is happening over 55 mph they can test it and replicate it (I guess I didn’t read the fine print about the 100k mile warranty is only good for issues under 55 mph).
Then I was told that if I wasn’t happy I should sell the car and anyway I shouldn’t drive over the speed limit. This ended up with a complain at Toyota Corporate – Case Manager and then Regional Manager and me dumping that Dealer.
All I asked was since they couldn’t test it at that speed to give me an alternative route to troubleshoot even after telling him that at 65 mph the shaking was clearly visible as well.
I guess anybody now-a-days can be a ManagerJ Communication skills are totally optional.
 

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Let’s go back…
First set of rotors were resurfaced once and since that didn’t work very well, Toyota replaced them (including pads).The car has now 33k miles they are warped again.
I’m scheduled to meet a Regional Manager to test drive it next week (May 5th).
This happens to me every time I hit 135 mph and need to slow down to 40 mph.
At that point the steering wheel and brake pedal shakes out of control.
Is it wrong to assume that the OEM can’t take the heat caused by high speeds?
This is also causing a glaze on the pads and the car feels like it’s sliding instead of braking.
These are the only reason why I’m considering replacing them with drilled rotors.
Reason for Regional Manager:
I had a heated discussion with the Service Manager (Toyota @ Westport, CT) that told me that since the issue is happening over 55 mph they can test it and replicate it (I guess I didn’t read the fine print about the 100k mile warranty is only good for issues under 55 mph).
Then I was told that if I wasn’t happy I should sell the car and anyway I shouldn’t drive over the speed limit. This ended up with a complain at Toyota Corporate – Case Manager and then Regional Manager and me dumping that Dealer.
All I asked was since they couldn’t test it at that speed to give me an alternative route to troubleshoot even after telling him that at 65 mph the shaking was clearly visible as well.
I guess anybody now-a-days can be a ManagerJ Communication skills are totally optional.
Over 135 mph??? If I were a Regional manager, I'm not gonna risk my life sitting next to anyone driving that fast. :ugh3:
 

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I know...

I only drive at that speed if I’m alone and the road allows it (normally night time).
Since the car replicates the same symptoms at 65 mph, the Regional Manager is safe.
Bye the way… the cops only pass speeding tickets around here at speed over 70 mph (Then there is my favorite item in the car, my Cobra Radar detector with GPS and the AURA database, got me out of many tickets).
:thumbsup:
 

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I only drive at that speed if I’m alone and the road allows it (normally night time).
Since the car replicates the same symptoms at 65 mph, the Regional Manager is safe.
Bye the way… the cops only pass speeding tickets around here at speed over 70 mph (Then there is my favorite item in the car, my Cobra Radar detector with GPS and the AURA database, got me out of many tickets).
:thumbsup:
At least you can replicate the symptoms at 65 mph. Good luck and keep us posted.
 

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Over 135 mph??? If I were a Regional manager, I'm not gonna risk my life sitting next to anyone driving that fast. :ugh3:
Not with me behind the wheel. ;)
 

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I can already feel the flames coming about you driving 135mph and complaining that our stock brakes can't handle the necessary stopping power need to slow down to 40mph...
BTW... Rt 15 Merritt Pkwy's one of the most exciting roads I've driven in =)
 

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Our brakes are not made for that.
 

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I can already feel the flames coming about you driving 135mph and complaining that our stock brakes can't handle the necessary stopping power need to slow down to 40mph...
BTW... Rt 15 Merritt Pkwy's one of the most exciting roads I've driven in =)
Their complain???? They sold me a V6 with 270CV... that was supposed to be governed at 125 mph.... i took him so far at 140 mph (odometer speed) and it seemed to me it wanted to go further... not enought road to test.:naughty:
I guess they're expecting people to drive it at 55 mhp... rest is for show and not tested by Toyota :headbang:
I love the Merritt Pkwy in the Westport area....
 

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Sounds like you are the one that missed the communications skills....
 

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Sounds like you are the one that missed the communications skills....
or the one who wants to be a race car driver and got stuck with a camry...:lol:
 

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I only drive at that speed if I’m alone and the road allows it (normally night time).
Since the car replicates the same symptoms at 65 mph, the Regional Manager is safe.
Bye the way… the cops only pass speeding tickets around here at speed over 70 mph (Then there is my favorite item in the car, my Cobra Radar detector with GPS and the AURA database, got me out of many tickets).
:thumbsup:
HAHAHA a Cobra radar detector?
 

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Cobra Radar Detector w/GPS

HAHAHA a Cobra radar detector?
Yes, Cobra...
Cobra XRS-9945 + GPS + AURA Database (same as the XRS-9950)...It's not an Escort 8500x50 or Beltronics Pro RX65 but guess who's the 3rd pick? Yep the Cobra and it also doesn't cost $350
Point is... i has been doing an great job for me. :thumbsup:
It does warn me about speed cameras and speed traps...
 

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if you're warping and glazing rotors that fast you obviously need a higher performance pad and rotor combo, combined with some education on how to properly cool the brakes after hard stops. cross drilled rotors alone will not solve your problem...

my suggestion, and the dealer will not do this for you, is to install a high performance set of brake pads, preferably a kevlar/ceramic combo along with a set of Brembo blanks, not slotted, not cross-drilled, just blanks. the more mass you have on the rotor the less risk you run of over heating the pads and rotors and consequently warping the rotors and glazing the pads and rotors from overheating both.

do some research online to find out about the different materials available in pads, from semi-metallic to ceramic to full carbon track pads.

as for the education part of the equation, make sure that you NEVER come to a complete stop from very high speed braking. plan ahead, and if you know you will need to stop ahead give youself enough room from the car in front of you to be able to crawl the vehicle without having to come to a complete stop.

when you come to a complete stop after a very high speed braking maneuver pads temps can go from
250F to 800F plus, if this hot pad is left sit on one single spot on the rotor for any more than a few seconds it will force the metal to expand unevenly and therefore warp the rotor.

as far as the glazing you mentioned, this is caused by overheating the pad to the point where the pad material and resins are deposited on the the rotor. the solution to this is to get a pad that is made to withstand these high temps.

also, make sure that all lug nut are torqued equally as this can also lead to warping rotors.

my personal preference for a high performance brake setup without too much monetary outlay is to go with a set of EBC redstuff, EBC yellowstuff, or PBR Ultimate pads coupled with a set of Brembo OE blank rotors. bed them in properly and you will probably have no more qualms with braking.
 

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Rotor

if you're warping and glazing rotors that fast you obviously need a higher performance pad and rotor combo, combined with some education on how to properly cool the brakes after hard stops. cross drilled rotors alone will not solve your problem...

my suggestion, and the dealer will not do this for you, is to install a high performance set of brake pads, preferably a kevlar/ceramic combo along with a set of Brembo blanks, not slotted, not cross-drilled, just blanks. the more mass you have on the rotor the less risk you run of over heating the pads and rotors and consequently warping the rotors and glazing the pads and rotors from overheating both.

do some research online to find out about the different materials available in pads, from semi-metallic to ceramic to full carbon track pads.

as for the education part of the equation, make sure that you NEVER come to a complete stop from very high speed braking. plan ahead, and if you know you will need to stop ahead give youself enough room from the car in front of you to be able to crawl the vehicle without having to come to a complete stop.

when you come to a complete stop after a very high speed braking maneuver pads temps can go from
250F to 800F plus, if this hot pad is left sit on one single spot on the rotor for any more than a few seconds it will force the metal to expand unevenly and therefore warp the rotor.

as far as the glazing you mentioned, this is caused by overheating the pad to the point where the pad material and resins are deposited on the the rotor. the solution to this is to get a pad that is made to withstand these high temps.

also, make sure that all lug nut are torqued equally as this can also lead to warping rotors.

my personal preference for a high performance brake setup without too much monetary outlay is to go with a set of EBC redstuff, EBC yellowstuff, or PBR Ultimate pads coupled with a set of Brembo OE blank rotors. bed them in properly and you will probably have no more qualms with braking.

Axxis8203… thanks for the reply…
The disks actually warps during the braking process… around 80 mph I couldn’t hold on to the stearing wheel anymore… I checked the manuall and there is a # for the torque on the rotors… that is something I can’t verify as it was done by Toyota themselves.
The same people that I went there to remove a nail from a tire and got a 5k miles service done instead.
The info I gattered is that slotered and drilled rotors are good for rancing (not my case) and the driled rotors actually cool faster and will also clean the pads in the process… I’m a little confused.
Actually I was looking at EBC rotores and their ceramic pads… Will you agree that that would be a good option if I don’t want to buy Brembos?
I apreciate any input on this…
Thanks.
 

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Communication skills...

Sounds like you are the one that missed the communications skills....
You may be right...
Here is the full story.
Since the day I bought the car that around 75 mhp the steering wheel shackes…
Rotors, calipers 3 rimes and 4 tires later and 10 (one time they keep the car for 1 week) visits to the dealer later, the car was returned to me in the same condition.
Last visit I complained that the car was still chacking at 75 mph and now also the brake pedal was chacking… (i never told them i drove at higher speeds)
The Manager told me that they couldn’t test the car over 55 mph and I told him that I perfectly understand the fact; I also told him that he could now replicate the same issue at 65 mhp (speed that is legal for them to drive around here) but if they didn’t want to do it what would be the next troubleshooting steep? Did I metion that my pacience was beeing tested for the last 2 years?
Instead I was told that if I was not happy with the car that I should sell it and by the way I shouldn’t drive over the speed limit anyway… now that’s what you want to hear from a Manager after loosing money because your work car is kaput!
The road I drive on has a speed limit of 55 and 65…
FYI - Road test with Region Manager is schedule for next week... i guess my communication skills are not that bad after all :smokin:
 

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i see no problem with an all EBC setup. i just use Bremboo cuz they're cheaper for me to get. as far as pads, i would probably go with the red pads for you.

as for rotors yes, cross drilled rotors do cool faster, but they're more prone to warping and race teams and autocrossers are quite fond of them, but in many cases these folks are installing new pads and rotors with each new race or each weekend... for a daily driver i recommend blanks for longjevity.

while shopping for rotors you'll come across many varieties including, slotted, cross drilled, combos of both, and dimpled. each purporting different benefits just, do your research and you'll be fine.
 

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To the OP, I think you are expecting a bit much out of your car. If you regularly brake hard from high speeds, it is no surprise that the brake rotors and pads are having problems. Slotted and/or drilled rotors will not completely help your problem. Just replace the pads/rotors yourself with better aftermarket versions and see if you have the same problem, then you know the problem is with the way you are driving OR there is something else wrong with your car (though I can't imagine what that would be).

By the way, have you had an alignment and balance done on your wheels/tires? I was told that very poor balancing/alignments can promote rotor warping...
 

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Conclusion...

Here is the conclusion.
Yesterday morning I drove my car with the Region Manager sitting next to me (no I didn’t pass 65 mph).
He confirmed that the car does everything I was complaining about.
The car was taken to a different Dealer and after I was provided with a Rental (paid by Toyota) they replaced under Warranty 1 Rim (that finally added to all 4 replaced) all 4 rotors, pads and kit’s necessary.
They also found out that I have 2 tires with “Road Force Value” over 10 Pounds.
I will have to fix that going to the place that sold the Tires to me.
They said that sometimes that can be corrected by just removing the tire and put it back on a different position…
I tested the car again with the local Service Manager and finally I have the fixed.
No more wheel shacking at 75 mph or “hell broke loose” when I hit the brakes.
As a bonus they also replaced the center console that has the Gear Box positions because it was scratched when the guys at Toyota Westport had to open the access hatch to manually override the transmission (they couldn’t find the key)…
I can’t say good enough things about the Regional Manager.
He didn’t jump into conclusion even after I told him that the brakes warped after braking from very high speeds. I was told that even I was a "Racing type of driver" they should have advised me to consider after marked partes and offer to install them for me and pay for it.
 
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