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http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1047967_2011-scion-iq-coming-in-march-staying-a-while
When the Smart-like 2011 Scion iQ shows up in dealers next year, it's likely to give the Daimler-built two-seat city car some heartburn.
The vice president of Scion, Toyota's brand-within-a-brand, confirmed this week at the press launch of the 2011 Scion tC that the new iQ will arrive in the U.S. early next year with a Smart ForTwo-like package and much more functionality, like its unique "three-plus-one" seating and a more conventional CVT, as opposed to the Smart's automatic clutch.
Power will come from a 1.3-liter engine with more than 90 horsepower, and fuel economy will be like that of the Smart, which earns an EPA rating of 33 mpg city, 41 mpg highway.
Separately, we've has learned from other sources that the iQ will be in showrooms in March, and will be priced competitively with the Smart ForTwo. It will also allow owners to fit a car seat inside, a big leap of functionality over the ForTwo.
Hollis also told High Gear Media that the Scion iQ is set to run for four model years in the U.S. Americans will be getting the iQ more than two years into its life cycle, and in Asia and Europe, the iQ will be replaced in the 2013-2014 time frame. To give the U.S. market an additional model year, Toyota will produce enough 2014 iQ hatchbacks to be sold in America while it retools factories elsewhere to begin building a new version.
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I'm happy they are bringing this but too bad it only comes with a CVT:thumbsdow:thumbsdow I know it comes with a manual for other markets. Maybe in time they might add a manual for this car.

Also I think the gearing has a huge part in the "low" mileage numbers. And there are other factors.
 

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A CVT is far more efficient than a manual.
 

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This is a car Scion desparately needs to be relevant. It should help sales greatly.
 

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Interesting how they are holding the car until Q1 to launch. I guess Toyota is spacing out their new releases so that one car doesn't get overshadowed by the other.

This and the new tC can't get here fast enough...like we say, Scion is barely relevant anymore since they sell no more than 7-8,000 units a month. So much for their past youth marketing (trendiness is a double edged sword). I think it was brilliant, as I was a big fan of it, especially the first xB.

But hopefully, this "hype" will help Scion get back some of its mojo, and I know the tC will get some youngsters back into the showroom because of the power increase, however it ain't no FT86.

I'm happy they are bringing this but too bad it only comes with a CVT:thumbsdow:thumbsdow I know it comes with a manual for other markets. Maybe in time they might add a manual for this car.

Also I think the gearing has a huge part in the "low" mileage numbers. And there are other factors.
I agree, the iQ can be a real pocket if it had a stick. I think the only market that has the stick iQ is Europe unsurprisingly. I have the first JDM iQ brochure and only shows the CVT. However, the iQ seems to have a nice following and some motorsports involvement in Japan.

How the iQ will be sold here remains to be seen. My hunch is the iQ will be pitched towards hipsters. :lol:
 

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While they are at it, they need to redesign the xB and make it more like the 1st gen.
 

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While they are at it, they need to redesign the xB and make it more like the 1st gen.
Actually, the xD is the model that is in desperate need. It either needs to be drastically changed or canned. Right now, it offers nothing else that the Yaris doesn't have. IMO, it also looks a lot dorkier than the Yaris.

Toyota has a plethora of interesting small cars in Japan that they could sell here under the Scion banner. That is what led Scion to be popular with their initial designs because many people who were into JDM were doing conversions and buying parts.
 

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I have no idea why Toyota didn't just import the bB like the used to. It's more akin to the first model and would be more well received, IMO.
 

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A CVT is far more efficient than a manual.

Maybe generally speaking but from observing other makes specs with CVT's, it doesn't seem like much of a jump. Its either even a little worse or very marginal gain with a CVT. Also CVT weighs the car down even more. Obviously depending on CVT and car but generally speaking.

I can't imagine with this engine how much of a dog it will be with a CVT Sure technology has improved and it might be "peppy" but still. Yes I know manuals are like 1% or less of sales but if they want to cater to the "youth" then offer it. Because now we're going to see the same 60 plus year olds (no offense mom and dad) driving these and that will turn off most younger folks.
 

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CVT turns the 1.0l iQ into a dog: heavier, slower, less fuel efficient and more expensive.

I don't think the 1.3l will be much different. It has stop-and-go and fancy valve technology to make it efficient, but the CVT will negate a lot of that.
 

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CVT turns the 1.0l iQ into a dog: heavier, slower, less fuel efficient and more expensive.

I don't think the 1.3l will be much different. It has stop-and-go and fancy valve technology to make it efficient, but the CVT will negate a lot of that.

Yeah, you own a iQ right?? Anyway I'm jealous but you have the manual option in Europe right????

Anyway thanks for the confirmation, I figured the CVT would be a dog. Even with more powerful CUVs in the U.S. with the CVT it can be a dog cause its a CVT. Although from what I heard Nissan has been pretty good about its CVTs, generally. But still I don't care for them anyway.

I have this feeling the USDM version won't have stop and go tech. Maybe but I don't think so.
 

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Actually, the xD is the model that is in desperate need. It either needs to be drastically changed or canned. Right now, it offers nothing else that the Yaris doesn't have. IMO, it also looks a lot dorkier than the Yaris.

Toyota has a plethora of interesting small cars in Japan that they could sell here under the Scion banner. That is what led Scion to be popular with their initial designs because many people who were into JDM were doing conversions and buying parts.


Yeah I agree, the xD is based on the Yaris platform although a little bigger but still. Its Scion's "take" of the Yaris.

I agree it could be better. The gauges IMO are cool in the xD. The problem with Scion is Toyota, made them too much like Toyota. Just a different badge and a marketing scheme to make people think they are different. But they are just as blah and disconnected as Toyota's, hence an older demographic is driving them cause they're F9^*&^(&(king Toyota's!!! Boring with just a quirky (or ugly) design.

I agree the first gen Scions were cool. The xB1 was nice. The current:thumbsdow:thumbsdow
Yeah Toyota should bring some cool cars from Japan.
 

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Yeah, you own a iQ right?? Anyway I'm jealous but you have the manual option in Europe right????

Anyway thanks for the confirmation, I figured the CVT would be a dog. Even with more powerful CUVs in the U.S. with the CVT it can be a dog cause its a CVT. Although from what I heard Nissan has been pretty good about its CVTs, generally. But still I don't care for them anyway.

I have this feeling the USDM version won't have stop and go tech. Maybe but I don't think so.
We don't get the 1.3 with CVT, so I can't comment on that particular setup. The 1.0 doesn't handle CVT very well, and the 1.3 doesn't feel as powerful as you would expect compared to the 1.0. CVT might be quite good (compared to a normal auto), but it makes the car feel slow when revin at the same speed all the time. This is in stark contrast to the turbo diesel which delivers a firm punch once the turbo kicks in... hence my choice of engine :D

We get the following options (some European countries):
1.0 5 spd manual and CVT
1.3 6 spd manual
1.4 diesel 6 spd manual
 

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We don't get the 1.3 with CVT, so I can't comment on that particular setup. The 1.0 doesn't handle CVT very well, and the 1.3 doesn't feel as powerful as you would expect compared to the 1.0. CVT might be quite good (compared to a normal auto), but it makes the car feel slow when revin at the same speed all the time. This is in stark contrast to the turbo diesel which delivers a firm punch once the turbo kicks in... hence my choice of engine :D

We get the following options (some European countries):
1.0 5 spd manual and CVT
1.3 6 spd manual
1.4 diesel 6 spd manual

Sweet!! I'll take the 1.4ltr turbo diesel w/6speed manual:naughty::naughty:

I know that won't be in the U.S. but I can dream:D

I agree, I couldn't imagine a 3 cylinder 1.0ltr with a CVT. Ultimate fail combination, and I thought my ECHO with an auto was fail:lol::lol::facepalm:

The closest thing to that is the Smart car=FAIL Which is too bad cause I was initially interested in it. Great concept and what not, execution is horrible.
 

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CVT turns the 1.0l iQ into a dog: heavier, slower, less fuel efficient and more expensive.

I don't think the 1.3l will be much different. It has stop-and-go and fancy valve technology to make it efficient, but the CVT will negate a lot of that.
I would think so too. In terms of being and feeling much slower vs the manual.
 
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