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I have a 2011 Toyota Camry XLE V6. Ive experience driving a couple of better handling cars such as Audi's and BMW's and the difference is night and day. Now I would like that in my toyota being that this car has a great amount of power and the only thing holding it back in my opinion is the handling and more specifically the body roll. I would like to know what I should change on my camry to make this better. Ive done some research and I've seen strut bar and sway bar links but I don't see anything talking about the star bar and struts. Can someone help pls. This car is completely stock and I would not like to lower my car because the car hits speed bumps already due to the bumper kit toyota put on the ole. Thanks in advance.
 

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Strut bar isn't really going to help you. Sway bars reduce body roll without impacting ride significantly. Change them both front and rear or else you'll upset the balance. Don't know what a star bar is. Changing dampers isn't going to reduce body roll except in transitions, if that's what you want you will have to sacrifice some ride comfort.
 

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The basic problem is, you want a sports car yet you bought a Camry. If you want handling and performance you don’t buy a 4 door, economy oriented family grocery getter, with little to no performance parts support. Sorry but that’s the way it is.
 

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Does my Megan Racing strut bar change the way my Camry handles?
My bet is yes, noticable only when driving at like 9/10 and only subtly. It might buy a very good driver a couple hundredths on an autocross course. On the street if you are driving hard enough for it to matter you are either trying to avoid an accident or going to end up in jail.
 

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My bet is yes, noticable only when driving at like 9/10 and only subtly. It might buy a very good driver a couple hundredths on an autocross course. On the street if you are driving hard enough for it to matter you are either trying to avoid an accident or going to end up in jail.
I've had it on for a couple of years, I am sure it does subtly make the Camry feel better but I am not the type to drive hard on a corner... except one S turn where there is little traffic that I take at 40 MPH the entire way (which is quite fun). I think I heard that with a strut bar you won't feel much of a difference but after you remove it is when you feel it.

Lately I have been thinking about polyurethane bushings, lowering springs, maybe even coilovers, or even the Ultra Racing suspension components but most of the time I don't believe I will really have a good use for most of those. My Camry is a daily driver and since I am in Wisconsin I get hit by everything so lowering my Camry will really hurt it. In addition to my habit of every so often going up a median.

Wheels are a guarantee and I want to get those to see how the Camry feels (Enkei Raijin's) but those might come in about two years... I still got some plan's for my Camry but those are expensive plans...

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Front Strut tower bar does help a little in flat cornering, but basically keeps front end more stable, less prone to any shake going over RR tracks, potholes, and such. Did wonders for a convertible I owned, shake was gone.

I've heard that pairing it with rear strut tower bar can make car tighter.

Another handling item is going for wider tires. Adding 1/2 - 3/4" per tire in contact patch can make a real difference. Just my experience.
 

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Thanks for all the feedback and advice. From your comments it seems that nobody has really figured out a cost effective way to eliminate body roll for regular cars, and the 268 hp can't be fully utilized unless its in a straight line which sucks. Thank you for the advice.
 

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Cost effective and suspension mods? Don't want to lower car? Don't want to sacrifice ride quality?

I want my Camry to ride like a limo and handle like a Corvette, and mods can't cost more than $5. Live in the real world? Don't be an idiot. Get a clue concerning 'parameters'.

Strut bars tighten the frame. Minuscule handling improvement but feedback improvement and stiffer chassis leads to better control.

Rubbery suspension..... install a complete poly bushing kit. Siberian, superpro, whiteline....
Handling..... replace the springs.... Eibach springs, with a minimal drop, can help. But, that means its lowered a little.
Sway bars.... not many aftermarket choices. Start with Ultraracing. Aftermarket sway bars can break endlinks so get some from superpro.
Struts.... well, you either handle better or ride better. Yes, we all want our cake and to eat it too. So, either upgrade to the "SE" as a start, or be realistic and just get one of the 'coilover' kits for some adjustability.

Its has been figured out for you. But, its not cost effective, like most vehicle mods. So, either trade the car in for a BMW or Audi, or open the wallet some. I'll take a more reliable Camry over a better handling euro car nightmare any day!
 

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Once you modify the suspension the car is going to start to suck at something. Modern cars are so well optimized from the factory for a balance of handling and comfort in all conditions. And that has to work with only a driver or a car full of 5 people. It has to work in the summer and the snow, and be easy enough for 80 year old to drive and forgiving enough for a hot head 16 year old. You can't do better than Toyota already did at that.

If you have specific goals, you can make it better at some things, but never without sacrifices. My advice to anyone who wants to modify stuff is to get some track time first, even just an autocross. Once you get lapped by other people in bone stock cars you start to realize that the person in the driver's seat needs upgrading first. Then you can grow with the car, and you'll learn to feel the weak areas, and you can address them logically and evaluate the effect, rather than throwing parts at it and hoping for a good result.
 

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My father owns an Audi Q5 that handles like a dream. Im so confident in the handling that I can do things that I would be scared to do with the camry. The only thing I wanted to fix was the body roll I am fine with everything else. The steering is a little numb but its a camry and its because of the suspension. However since it can't be done it seems I'm gonna just trade it in for a Lexus is350 or Audi A5.
 

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Once you modify the suspension the car is going to start to suck at something. Modern cars are so well optimized from the factory for a balance of handling and comfort in all conditions. And that has to work with only a driver or a car full of 5 people. It has to work in the summer and the snow, and be easy enough for 80 year old to drive and forgiving enough for a hot head 16 year old. You can't do better than Toyota already did at that.

If you have specific goals, you can make it better at some things, but never without sacrifices. My advice to anyone who wants to modify stuff is to get some track time first, even just an autocross. Once you get lapped by other people in bone stock cars you start to realize that the person in the driver's seat needs upgrading first. Then you can grow with the car, and you'll learn to feel the weak areas, and you can address them logically and evaluate the effect, rather than throwing parts at it and hoping for a good result.
If they were so well balanced from the factory they would ride and corner like a beamer.....or an Audi...... There are better parts out there.
 

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Part of that balance is cost.
Can we be honest about cost? every car has suspension. There is a base line cost for suspension regardless of the make or model of car you purchase.... The suspension had to be engineered regardless ofthe fact it is a yugo, camry, i750 or a rolls royce ghost.The engineers were paid regardless. So what that tells me is that yogo didn't get their moneys worth from their engineers compared to Toyota? or Toyota to BMW? or BMW to Rolls Royce...

Lets estimate this..... Say the suspension in a Cary costs $3000, there is absolutely no way that BMW's suspension is worth $6000 and Rolls suspension is worth $50,000 .......prove it. So, Toyota can do a better job.
 

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Can we be honest about cost? every car has suspension. There is a base line cost for suspension regardless of the make or model of car you purchase.... The suspension had to be engineered regardless ofthe fact it is a yugo, camry, i750 or a rolls royce ghost.The engineers were paid regardless. So what that tells me is that yogo didn't get their moneys worth from their engineers compared to Toyota? or Toyota to BMW? or BMW to Rolls Royce...

Lets estimate this..... Say the suspension in a Cary costs $3000, there is absolutely no way that BMW's suspension is worth $6000 and Rolls suspension is worth $50,000 .......prove it. So, Toyota can do a better job.
Macpharson strut, double wishbone, leaf springs, plenty of types of suspension out there and a Gen 6 Camry's Macpharson struts aren't know for handling. Honda's double wishbone is known for handling. In addition, a Gen 6 Camry just has "basic" suspension. BMW, Rolls, they have variable adjusting magnetic hydraulic whatever types of suspension they use that allows them to be adjustable so if you want to your suspension hard they can be. If you want a plush ride, they can be. A Camry doesn't have that.
 

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Can we be honest about cost? every car has suspension. There is a base line cost for suspension regardless of the make or model of car you purchase.... The suspension had to be engineered regardless ofthe fact it is a yugo, camry, i750 or a rolls royce ghost.The engineers were paid regardless. So what that tells me is that yogo didn't get their moneys worth from their engineers compared to Toyota? or Toyota to BMW? or BMW to Rolls Royce...

Lets estimate this..... Say the suspension in a Cary costs $3000, there is absolutely no way that BMW's suspension is worth $6000 and Rolls suspension is worth $50,000 .......prove it. So, Toyota can do a better job.
What is your point? Toyota's engineers suck and can't get a suspension design right? Or BMW is a rip off because they have better suspension that actually costs the same to make as a Camry, but you pay more?

See the above post. There is definitely a cost difference between double wishbone suspension with adaptive dampers and simple McPherson struts, the latter not being known for excellent camber change curves. They also have limited travel when the ride height is reduced. But, they are cheap, and that's why they are so common on budget friendly average performance cars.

As I said in my original post, the best way to improve the handling of a strut equipped car without severely degrading the ride, aside from tires, weight loss, and a proper alignment, is usually to add stiff roll bars to limit body roll and the associated camber change.

Aside from that, without redesigning the entire suspension geometry, which could end up costing more than the car is worth, any changes you make to improve handling is going to make the car worse at something else.
 

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OP,
Look into getting a loaner Camry SE V6 for a day. If that handles better than your XLE, consider swapping over it's components to your XLE, including:
  • sway bars
  • struts and springs
  • add strut bar up front
  • swap the X-brace behind the rear seat (if you can)
  • power steering pump (the flow control valve might be different)
When you are done, you can legit change the badge on the back of your car to XSE :ROFLMAO:
 
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