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the thought is it was supose to be a spiritual succesor to the 86 but its turning out to be a boxer engine integra competitor

on the note that it might not be very fuel efficient, we shall have to wait and see

just since its a subaru engine doesnt mean it isnt going to be loaded with toyota tech
then again i dont know how well toyota tech will work on a flat 4

we just have to wait and see as toyota hasnt been releasing much on this car as of late
 

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All performance tidbits aside, Toyota needs to try a bit harder in the styling department. People do not buy cars that look like they ran head on into a fence... The Subaru's front looks better, but the rear looks like it just got cut off.
 

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the thought is it was supose to be a spiritual succesor to the 86 but its turning out to be a boxer engine integra competitor

on the note that it might not be very fuel efficient, we shall have to wait and see

just since its a subaru engine doesnt mean it isnt going to be loaded with toyota tech
then again i dont know how well toyota tech will work on a flat 4

we just have to wait and see as toyota hasnt been releasing much on this car as of late
from what ive read, subaru has its own variable valve timing or cam timing with lift mechanism, i cant remember which off the top of my head. i dont think theyll redesign the engine for this application.
one of the beauty things about this car and engine is that if the 2.0l fits in the engine bay, so should the turbo 2.5l. also all the wrx and sti parts will hopefully bolt right on.
 

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think the price of the current tC
thats should be around what it will be around the price lvl of what the tC is currently selling for
 

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No offense to Subaru's (i dont mind Subi's, their decent cars) but I personally would never buy a "Toyota" (laughable when you think about how many parts arent Toyota) with a flat-4. And the concept looks like it would weigh in and around 2800 lbs, looks about the size of a Celica. Wheres the spirit of the origional car? Light weight and screaming small displacement 4? I'd say use an updated version of the Celica's little 2zz-ge, and change the grille (no inner driving lights, it'd look good if the grille went right to the headlights) and MABYE you could get away with selling it, despite its size and weight. Heck, if you want a 2 litre engine, mabye use the latest vvt'd 3s-ge design, but still as an option only.
 

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Ya, but Scion is a Toyota brand. That would be the same as Toyota joining up with Subaru to built a lower-luxury crossover based on the Tribeca and calling it a Lexus.
 

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Honestly, how much do you actually know about Toyotas?...hmm...the Vibe use a Toyota Corolla chassis and drivetrain just like the Matrix. Its a rebodied Toyota. Unlike the new RWD concept, which is a rebodied Subaru, with a Subi's drivetrain. The Vibe, Matrix, and Corolla all use 1ZZ-FE engines, and the Vibe GT, Matrix xrS, and Corolla xrS all use the 2ZZ-GE out of the Celica. Look it up, or, if you want to be stubborn, ask someone else on this site, but either way figure it out. BTW, "Hemi", from your name Hemi3tc, is Dodge, not Toyota.
 

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Sure Hemi is known from Dodge, that is marketing. Just like Scion which is not really a Toyota is a brand name from Toyota Industries or Motors Corp.

Hemi is really from hemispherical as in the shape of the cylinder head. Dodge does not own the rights to it, but is known for its hemi engines. Toyota use to advertise its early Corollas with the 2TC as a MiniHemi. Just like Boxer engine are from Porsche. Nothing wrong with a Boxer engine, it is from Porsche.
 

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Actually, Scion is a Toyota brand, same as Lexus is. They're designed by Toyota. The Pontiac Vibe is designed Toyota. The new RWD coupe is not. Its designed by Subaru. So, unless it uses Toyota components, its not really a Toyota, Scion, Lexus, or whatever made by Toyota. Its a Subaru, no matter what they want to call it.
 

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The new RWD coupe will most likely use the same parts OEM that Toyota uses.
Aisin, Nippon Denso, Yamaha, etc. So the same Toyota quality will be there.

Toyota owns 16.x% of Fuji Industries which is the parent company of Subaru. But whatever they want to call it, It was only going to be sold as a Subaru in North America. The Toyota version was only to be sold in Japan. If there is no demand for the SCION version then it will not be sold in NA. That is why it was rumoured.


Here is another car not totally developed by Toyota.

Small-car specialist Daihatsu, which Toyota owns a 51.19% stake in, will help develop the new minicars for Subaru as well as Toyota's own iQ model due next year. Known as 'Kei' cars in Japan, the tiny runabouts are powered by engines displacing no more than 600cc and are set to grow in popularity worldwide as fuel prices continue to rise, though they may get larger engines for export markets.
 

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Sure Hemi is known from Dodge, that is marketing. Just like Scion which is not really a Toyota is a brand name from Toyota Industries or Motors Corp.

Hemi is really from hemispherical as in the shape of the cylinder head. Dodge does not own the rights to it, but is known for its hemi engines. Toyota use to advertise its early Corollas with the 2TC as a MiniHemi. Just like Boxer engine are from Porsche. Nothing wrong with a Boxer engine, it is from Porsche.


hemi also means that the spark plug sits on to of the cylinder. not at the side. so engines like the 3sfe and the 5sfe are also considered "mini hemis"

its simply like you said, just a way for dodge to make some extra cash
 

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Honestly, how much do you actually know about Toyotas?...hmm...the Vibe use a Toyota Corolla chassis and drivetrain just like the Matrix. Its a rebodied Toyota. Unlike the new RWD concept, which is a rebodied Subaru, with a Subi's drivetrain. The Vibe, Matrix, and Corolla all use 1ZZ-FE engines, and the Vibe GT, Matrix xrS, and Corolla xrS all use the 2ZZ-GE out of the Celica. Look it up, or, if you want to be stubborn, ask someone else on this site, but either way figure it out. BTW, "Hemi", from your name Hemi3tc, is Dodge, not Toyota.

dude, the corolla/matrix/vibe uses the 2zr-fe, and the xrs/vibe gt use 2az-fe engines. soon to be 2ar-fe though....where ya been?

i wonder how many plans have been put on hold now due to the world recession?
 
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As you know, Toyota and Subaru are working on a new RWD model that will be built under both logos and is set to be launched in 2011. After we brought you a TopSpeed impression of how the Subaru version might look like, here’s now the Toyota version.

The car will be inspired by the classic rear-drive AE86 Toyota Corolla GT coupe from the 1980s. But, the Subaru version will also get its design by the Impreza, although it will shortened, lightened and will have a coupe body.

The 2010 RWD Coupe (we don’t know the name yet) will be powered by 2.0-liter flat four engine that will deliver 175bhp (for the naturally aspired version). Subaru will also unveil a 2.5-liter turbocharged version few months after the standard version.

[Source: Topspeed]
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-2011-toyota-rwd-coupe-rendering-ar59929.html

Formidable entrenched opposition with respect to market share Toyota cannot penetrate, Subaru would constitute a signal acquisition, for Toyota.

Surprising buoyant Subaru (e.g., and Hyundai) finds itself (e.g., themselves) becoming evermore increasingly important. Soldiering along, happy as a clam, building terrific cars, rest your eyes on this, if and when you find time:

http://www.reuters.com/article/mark...354136620090203

Economic meltdown as such -- breadth, depth and extent never before seen by man nor beast -- apparently no one bothered telling Subaru (e.g., or Hyundai).

Credit where credit is due, kudos to the folks at Subaru (and Hyundai), keeping their eyes peeled, their ears to the ground, making hay while the sun shines, picking up market share where other automakers fumbled. Not a soul to be found asleep at the switch there at Subaru (e.g., United States market share), they've somehow (OTC.PK: FUJHY) managed to displace none other than Mercedes Benz (NYSE: DAI), in relative importance to the United States market (e.g., 2009 January market share):

http://www.reuters.com/article/mark...20090203?rpc=44

Decision granting a well-earned sabbatical for their Legacy GT Wagon is -- now, in hindsight -- a masterstroke, illuminating to denote from a market share perspective, Subaru has incurred little to no blow-back (e.g., outstanding management) whatsoever, simplifying its U.S. vehicle line-up with respect to its Legacy platform.

Fastest production four-cylinder vehicle on this planet, at the time of this writing, officially belongs to none other than -- Subaru:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#Production_vehicles

Scroll down-page; see for yourself. Not a four-pot Toyota to be found, anywhere in sight. At the 8 minute 6 second mark at the Ring -- nearly 20 seconds faster than the Lotus Exige -- Subaru missed Nurburgring's 7 minute club -- by a scant 6 seconds.

Quite an accomplishment...


Acknowledged,
- Sammy, '88 MR2 Supercharged
 
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