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After learning that Toyota designed the Highlander's tune-up process to include 1 not so easy to reach spark plug and that a simple tuneup (change of spark plugs) would cost $642.00, it made me a Volkswagon Atlas fan immediately. In my opinion this was done intentionally and the reason that no Toyota dealership in Illinois will quote you without taking their time to warm you up to the idea of $642.00- $675.00 to change 6 plugs. 5 of which are easy to get to. I should be able to change spark plugs the same way I do on my 8cyl Sequoia. Very sad the Japanese felt they had to design the engine this way. It's a nice car but over-priced and the maintenance is ridiculous. So, I was a 4 car Toyota owner and shortly I will be building my stable with Volkswagons. The Germans were always better engineers.
 

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Apparently you've never had a Toyota V6 transverse engines because it is not at all similar to a Toyota V8 longitudinal engines. Toyota's have always been like this since the MZ engines of just less than 30 years ago. So I'm not sure what you are expecting despite owning four Toyota's.

Enjoy waiting in the shop lobby....
 

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Apparently you've never had a Toyota V6 transverse engines because it is not at all similar to a Toyota V8 longitudinal engines. Toyota's have always been like this since the MZ engines of just less than 30 years ago. So I'm not sure what you are expecting despite owning four Toyota's.

Enjoy waiting in the shop lobby....
No offense Vangm25, but I made a statement about an individual Toyota model so that others would review their own circumstances and understand the cost involved each time you change a spark plug. I didn't ask for your anaylsis. I have always asked what a tune up costs when buying a Toyota and to a tee, they always lie. Not only that but the service writers gave me a quote of 150.00- 755.00 from 4 different dealerships. That in itself decries a lack of honesty. These things in my opinion, should be disclosed upon sale. But if they did, no one would buy the 6's. Thanks for info but I have numerous autos for myself and my children. I don't wait in anyone's Lobby.
 

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No offense Vangm25, but I made a statement about an individual Toyota model so that others would review their own circumstances and understand the cost involved each time you change a spark plug. I didn't ask for your anaylsis. I have always asked what a tune up costs when buying a Toyota and to a tee, they always lie. Not only that but the service writers gave me a quote of 150.00- 755.00 from 4 different dealerships. That in itself decries a lack of honesty. These things in my opinion, should be disclosed upon sale. But if they did, no one would buy the 6's. Thanks for info but I have numerous autos for myself and my children. I don't wait in anyone's Lobby.
No. People buy V6's because they want the power. People buy I4's because they are generally better on MPG and are easy to maintain. Toyota transverse V6's have always had hard to reach spark plugs since at least the MZ was introduced in the mid 1990s. So it being a surprise to do is only a surprise to newcomers.

Lie? 🤷‍♂️ . What's a tuneup? Tightening your transmission band? Spark plugs? Distributor? Fluids? Timing belt? Drive belt? Fuel cleaner? Filters?

What should be disclosed? That transverse V6's have hard to reach spark plugs? No-one cares except those that care and those that care will be prepared for that endeavor and those that don't care will cry about the costs. Surprise, maintaining and reporting a vehicle costs money.

So how many Toyota's do you have? Or had since sold them because the rear bank of spark plugs is hard to do?

Here's another fun one. Locate the transmission dipstick.
 

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Here’s a vid of changing the plugs. Transverse V6‘s are always a pain in the butt.

Good luck with the VWs. You’re gonna need it.

 

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Epic thread! Seriously. Joining a Toyota forum to say you are buying Boltswagons is just totally awesome.
Can't wait for them to find the dipstick.
 

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After learning that Toyota designed the Highlander's tune-up process to include 1 not so easy to reach spark plug and that a simple tuneup (change of spark plugs) would cost $642.00, it made me a Volkswagon Atlas fan immediately. In my opinion this was done intentionally and the reason that no Toyota dealership in Illinois will quote you without taking their time to warm you up to the idea of $642.00- $675.00 to change 6 plugs. 5 of which are easy to get to. I should be able to change spark plugs the same way I do on my 8cyl Sequoia. Very sad the Japanese felt they had to design the engine this way. It's a nice car but over-priced and the maintenance is ridiculous. So, I was a 4 car Toyota owner and shortly I will be building my stable with Volkswagons. The Germans were always better engineers.
Let me make sure I understand what’s going on here. You don’t like the cost of a basic maintenance item so you’re going to buy a German car?!?

The Atlas is a nice car. Consider the Kia Teluride as well.
 

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After learning that Toyota designed the Highlander's tune-up process to include 1 not so easy to reach spark plug and that a simple tuneup (change of spark plugs) would cost $642.00, it made me a Volkswagon Atlas fan immediately. In my opinion this was done intentionally and the reason that no Toyota dealership in Illinois will quote you without taking their time to warm you up to the idea of $642.00- $675.00 to change 6 plugs. 5 of which are easy to get to. I should be able to change spark plugs the same way I do on my 8cyl Sequoia. Very sad the Japanese felt they had to design the engine this way. It's a nice car but over-priced and the maintenance is ridiculous. So, I was a 4 car Toyota owner and shortly I will be building my stable with Volkswagons. The Germans were always better engineers.
Fair enough complaint. The newer v6s address this to a degree. Good luck on the Atlas, keep us posted on the engineering.

 

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Yes, most of us on this site knows what Scotty Kilmer thinks about the reliability of Volkswagens.
 

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i think theyre gone at this point.

good luck with audi/vw though lol
ive owned and worked on a few.

i guess he never replaced the spark plugs on a Mk4 golf where the intake manifold goes OVER the top of the engine.
or the window track that uses one long cable that needs to be wound around 4 different pulleys in a very specific order and direction. or the fact that the Mk1 tt needs the exhaust and axle to be removed to replace the shifter linkage.
has he ever done the timing belt on a 1.8t Lmao (especially a transverse mount). Audi/VW have a really well engineered water pump dont they lol (press fit plastic impeller)
how about when they put the timing chain on the BACK of the engine against the firewall... remember that one... lol
how about the audi/vw direct injection carbon issues or the plastic that literally crumbles. Ever remove an oil dipstick and have the dipstick tube crumble dropping pieces into the sump lol
do they still use bolts for the wheel lugs? ever change a tire and there are no lugs on the hub to rest the rim on lol
How about the aluminum oil pan with a steel drain plug... if the guy at jiffy lube is in a rush and cross threads the bolt, which part do you think youll have to replace. (scratch that, they use PLASTIC oil pans now lololol)

hey, its ok. hell get to expand his tool box when he goes to work on his audi/vw. yeah, yeah, im sure he has all the allen and torx wrenches but oh no no no. audi/vw uses triple square heads. ever hear of those. lol

want to replace a door lock mech', ha, have fun with that one.

EVERY car has its quirks really.
 

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i think theyre gone at this point.

good luck with audi/vw though lol
ive owned and worked on a few.

i guess he never replaced the spark plugs on a Mk4 golf where the intake manifold goes OVER the top of the engine.
or the window track that uses one long cable that needs to be wound around 4 different pulleys in a very specific order and direction. or the fact that the Mk1 tt needs the exhaust and axle to be removed to replace the shifter linkage.
has he ever done the timing belt on a 1.8t Lmao (especially a transverse mount). Audi/VW have a really well engineered water pump dont they lol (press fit plastic impeller)
how about when they put the timing chain on the BACK of the engine against the firewall... remember that one... lol
how about the audi/vw direct injection carbon issues or the plastic that literally crumbles. Ever remove an oil dipstick and have the dipstick tube crumble dropping pieces into the sump lol
do they still use bolts for the wheel lugs? ever change a tire and there are no lugs on the hub to rest the rim on lol
How about the aluminum oil pan with a steel drain plug... if the guy at jiffy lube is in a rush and cross threads the bolt, which part do you think youll have to replace. (scratch that, they use PLASTIC oil pans now lololol)

hey, its ok. hell get to expand his tool box when he goes to work on his audi/vw. yeah, yeah, im sure he has all the allen and torx wrenches but oh no no no. audi/vw uses triple square heads. ever hear of those. lol

want to replace a door lock mech', ha, have fun with that one.

EVERY car has its quirks really.
Downside of Toyota transverse V6, annoying rear bank spark plugs, rubber oil line, and sometimes coolant issues... can't think of anything else because everything just works.
 

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After learning that Toyota designed the Highlander's tune-up process to include 1 not so easy to reach spark plug and that a simple tuneup (change of spark plugs) would cost $642.00, it made me a Volkswagon Atlas fan immediately.
$642 - You're getting robbed. It doesn't cost anywhere near that price. Good luck with the Atlas.
 

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I should've asked this sooner. Does anyone know the difference between a I4 and a V6? This is in addition to transverse and longitudinal.

If not, that in itself explains why transverse V6's are just generally harder to maintain. As I have emphasized a lot, Toyota transverse V6 engines have been like this since the 90s and the only people who are gonna be pissed off at the cost of a "simple" job are the clueless while everyone else is 🤷‍♂️ , oh well.

Someone find me their dipstick.
 
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