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I don't see anything major in changes to the 2017 Avalon, I wonder if 2018 will be all new, different, better or more of the same?

They will fall behind real quick if they don;t do something. Many of the trade publications, have the competition ahead in many areas.

CR, has the Chevy Malibu as more comfortable and quiet, and they think the Kia is also a great choice against the Avalon

The New Lincoln is sweet looking, as is the All New Buick Lacrosse, They aren't Toyotas, but still they are involving.

Total units sold is dropping a fair amount (10,000+- YTD). I wonder if it's because of all the bad press from 2013 - 2015 models, or if the public is just looking for something else nowadays.

I'm sure some of it is, they last so long, I'm also sure some has to do with trade-in value to get a newer, smoother riding car, is not something most folks can take the hit on.

I for one will be waiting to see what they do, if anything,
as I'll have 75,000 - 95,000 miles by then, and looking to trade (Maybe:))
 

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I don't see anything major in changes to the 2017 Avalon, I wonder if 2018 will be all new, different, better or more of the same?

They will fall behind real quick if they don;t do something. Many of the trade publications, have the competition ahead in many areas.

CR, has the Chevy Malibu as more comfortable and quiet, and they think the Kia is also a great choice against the Avalon

The New Lincoln is sweet looking, as is the All New Buick Lacrosse, They aren't Toyotas, but still they are involving.

Total units sold is dropping a fair amount (10,000+- YTD). I wonder if it's because of all the bad press from 2013 - 2015 models, or if the public is just looking for something else nowadays.

I'm sure some of it is, they last so long, I'm also sure some has to do with trade-in value to get a newer, smoother riding car, is not something most folks can take the hit on.

I for one will be waiting to see what they do, if anything,
as I'll have 75,000 - 95,000 miles by then, and looking to trade (Maybe:))
At a bare minimum I would hope it would have the new 296hp V6 and 8-speed transmission that the Sienna and Highlander have in '17.
 

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According to Automotive News there will be minimal changes until the 2019 model:

Avalon: With a refresh completed in 2015, the sculpted full-size sedan isn't likely to have much work done until a full redesign for the 2019 model. It's also expected to keep its V-6 and hybrid four-cylinder engine choices, given the Avalon's demographic and slow sales for big sedans.
 

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According to Automotive News there will be minimal changes until the 2019 model:

Avalon: With a refresh completed in 2015, the sculpted full-size sedan isn't likely to have much work done until a full redesign for the 2019 model. It's also expected to keep its V-6 and hybrid four-cylinder engine choices, given the Avalon's demographic and slow sales for big sedans.
I wonder if by then, they've looked at the competition and jump ahead in style, features (Make the changes that folks say the competition beats them in) or do they stop making it all together, and hope that we folks who love our Avalons, jump ship to ES Lexus's?

Or the "Camry L" (for long body)? This won't like work well, as many folks, myself included, will have a hard time paying big bucks for a Camry, even if it's bigger and more luxurious.

I'm not sure they can keep selling this car, as is, for the next 2 - 3 years, without so noticeable changes?

Malibu, Taurus and other are evolving into some nice looking, riding cars, feature rich cars, unless they slow down in these areas (which isn't likely), they will be way ahead of Toyota Avalon by 2019, yes, in my opinion, which doesn't mean crap, but it is my opinion.
 

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Seems like most manufacturers are going with the large mouth bass grille. Wonder if Toyota will change or keep it to fall in line behind Lexus. Going away from it might be the move that helps them sell many more units. Guess time will tell.
 

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And Consumers report just came out with their Top 10 Most Reliable cars (and why) issue, and Toyota / Lexus came out on top. They said one of the biggest reasons for this, is NOT changing the technical stuff i.e., Engine, Transmission, Head units and such. By sticking with what works, they have less issues and therefore a better rating / ranking in most dependable cars and trucks. Not sure if this is a good thing. Sure seems like they can make some big changes / improvements and still be dependable … jusy do it right the first time:)
 

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They said one of the biggest reasons for this, is NOT changing the technical stuff i.e., Engine, Transmission, Head units and such. By sticking with what works, they have less issues and therefore a better rating / ranking in most dependable cars and trucks.
I tend to agree with that sentiment. In both my professional process and experience in owning british luxury cars. The british are number one at luxury features, seats, interiors, exteriors but they are unreliable because they often push the luxury envelope at the expense of reliability.

I have written a buyers guide about the Range Rover full fat and only three model years are reliable: https://www.amazon.com/Cliffs-Unofficial-Range-Rover-Buyers-ebook/dp/B01MFDOQ7H/
 

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Total units sold is dropping a fair amount (10,000+- YTD). I wonder if it's because of all the bad press from 2013 - 2015 models, or if the public is just looking for something else nowadays.
The bad press continues with the 2016-2017 Avalon models in regard to seat comfort. Look at the difference in the depth of seat back and seat bottom padding between a 1995 and 2013 Avalon:
 

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The bad press continues with the 2016-2017 Avalon models in regard to seat comfort. Look at the difference in the depth of seat back and seat bottom padding between a 1995 and 2013 Avalon:
Very true, but also true across most car lines. I was told that it is just one of the areas where manufacturers have cut weight, in an effort to get better MPG's.

Hell, look at the amount of plastic in cars now a days, that has more the doubled in the past 3-4 years, and will likely increase in following years as well.

Not much isn't less or worst about 1995 vs 2016 cars. And if we want, the same could be said for 1974 vs 1995 and 1953 vs 1975.

Hell look at computers, laptops, cell phone, TV's ad the list goes on and on. None are being made as Big, Sturdy, Plush as they were years back. I for one, DO NOT like it, and have said so many times, but I realize I have to start getting use to it, or do something about it (keep your eye out for an older Buick Roadmaster, Park Avenue, Lincoln, Cadi) and buy it now, before they are all gone:( … or get use to what is now.

I will say, some specs are a bit weird.

1995 Avalon curb weight - 3265
2016 Avalon curb weight - 3538

2000 Avalon curb weight - 3428
 

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I don't see anything major in changes to the 2017 Avalon, I wonder if 2018 will be all new, different, better or more of the same?

They will fall behind real quick if they don;t do something. Many of the trade publications, have the competition ahead in many areas.

CR, has the Chevy Malibu as more comfortable and quiet, and they think the Kia is also a great choice against the Avalon

The New Lincoln is sweet looking, as is the All New Buick Lacrosse, They aren't Toyotas, but still they are involving.

Total units sold is dropping a fair amount (10,000+- YTD). I wonder if it's because of all the bad press from 2013 - 2015 models, or if the public is just looking for something else nowadays.

I'm sure some of it is, they last so long, I'm also sure some has to do with trade-in value to get a newer, smoother riding car, is not something most folks can take the hit on.

I for one will be waiting to see what they do, if anything,
as I'll have 75,000 - 95,000 miles by then, and looking to trade (Maybe:))
I know it's an old thread, but decided to leave my opinion on the subject anyway.
I wasn't planning to buy an Avalon. I liked the gen 2 and gen 4 Avalon for their looks and ride, but wasn't very impressed by the 2013+ because of very "camrysh" ride and not exactly unique design.
I drove a lot of different cars over the past year and just before buying an Avalon drove a 2017 touring Accord, Malibu (and sat in Impala), Taurus (yes, I know, but I wanted to try it anyway), a used Genesis, 2015-16 ES350 and 2015 GS350- the car that was on top of my "My next car list".
Coming from a Camry XLE V6 I was looking for more comfort, quiet ride, nicer design and better than average reliability.
I have no love for the 2015+ Camry and the new 2018 Camry looks weird and unbalanced imo and has low sitting and less than well thought interior design and materials, so the Camry was out for sure, even though I'm a Camry man.
After driving my buddy's 2017 Avalon I was very surprised how nice and plush it drives. Nice seats (I just want to add spacers under the front of the seat frame to increase the cushion pitch), a very nice and clean sounding stereo, very smooth acceleration (my Camry was a bit quicker, but had more explosive and jerky acceleration) and nice steering. Yes, there are some shortcomings and some interior materials can be better, especially compared to the ES and GS, but considering the price and discounts, the Avalon was by far the nicest riding and smooth vehicle around $30-33K.
I wish the Avalon had a folding rear seat and less chrome outside and especially inside, but if someone looking for the comfort, the current Avalon is a great choice. My boss has a new style $60+K E400 and he admitted that the Avalon rides more comfortable, plusher and quieter.
as of today I see only 3 big issues with the Avalon:
1. very weak low beams and unfortunately the OEM projectors can not be replaced with something else.
2. weak brakes, better pads and rotors should cure it.
3. too much chrome inside.

There are a lot of areas where Avalon can be improved and modernized, but I'm afraid if the Avalon's would get any closer to the Lexus, it sure would affect the price tag and even less ppl would consider an Avalon. Imo the Avalon should stay at "the nicest Toyota" level and not to try to become "a cheap Lexus".
Exterior wise, a large cat fish mouth looks pretty good on the Avalon, actually the whole front end looks very good. I would eliminate the chrome belt around the grille and make the step at the bottom of the headlights a bit sharper. I prefer solid C-pillars with no windows like on the 2005-12 Avalon, well, at least they are real windows and not some fake plastic windows like on the 2015+ Camry :) and change the roof-C pillar line to more sedan like silhouette. The 2013+ hatch like roof-C-pillar- trunk line looks smooth and maybe more modern, but imo take away charisma and charm of a large sedan.
 
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