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Toyota does not sell to rental fleet an enterpiise manager told me in the past. They Said that crushes the resale value of cars and that is one of the reasons toyotas hold up higher.

Perhaps you meant to say Honda, as Toyota has always been selling to rental fleets. Hertz, Avis, Enterprise...Toyota only sells a certain percentage of their cars to fleet to maintain the retail balance. Didn't do anything to the residual.

Hertz probably bought it used, not from Honda directly.

As for Honda, I rented a Civic from Avis last year, as some places have more Honda rentals than others. Pretty much all the manufacturers do have rental sales, some of them do more than others. I've only rented a Honda once, but plenty of times I got Toyota and the other Asian manufacturers.

 

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My toyota dealer has a rental office right in the showroom. I've rented several cars from them over the years. They usually give you a brand new car. We rented a Rav4 from them several years ago when we were thinking about buying one......100 miles into the trip we looked at each other and said.....we're not buying one of theses.

Toyota Rent A Car (TRAC) are only at some dealerships, depending on whether they decided to get into the program or not. Even the largest Toyota dealer in the world doesn't have TRAC, they have an Enterprise on site but most of its rental fleet are Toyotas.

 

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Makes sense. I have rented a few accords fron hertz in the past. I was offered a camry LE once from enterprise but they offered a premier impala also so I tried that. I had a Hyundai sonata and brought it back asap.
TY!

Last year I was suppose to rent a Corolla or compact vehicle from Avis, but the lady was nice and bumped me to a Camry SE. I've never had a bad Hyundai rental, but I think should have taken back several of the Nissans I was given, though the last Hertz rental I had in October was a Nissan that wasn't bad (a newer 2021 Sentra with the much improved infotainment). On several occasions during my rental, I've swapped cars at an airport location. If you rent from an airport location you have more choices of cars than if you rent at a smaller local office, but airports on average cost more to rent from because of the airport taxes.

 

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You can't really compare these two model years really until the new Camry comes out.

I had two X gen Accord hybrids and hands down the Toyota is a better built vehicle overall. You can tell immediately, especially when you do your own work on the vehicle. You can tell a lot of how a car is built by taking it apart to do a stereo installation, and you can easily tell why the Toyota costs a little more. Of course there is no perfect vehicle and there are things I def liked better about the Honda. I am curious about the new upgrades to their hybrid engine making and extra 15lbft now, may have to go drive one. Personally I would take the Toyota engine with the Honda transmission (yes the Honda hybrid has a transmission just not a common one and lets not get into that here), with the Honda interior but with the Toyota seats.

Historically, Toyota has discounted the Camry more than Honda did the Accord, which is some of the reason why the Camry has been #1, besides its quality reputation. The Accord put sales pressure on Toyota, especially for the last generation one that was decried for being beige. I've always felt that Accord drove better than the Camry in terms of driving dynamics (Stuff that only car enthusiasts care about), which is what made Akio Toyoda force Toyota engineers to make the current Camry not appliance-like (or boring, according to the concept Wakudoki or "No more boring cars").

 

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Manufacturer incentives might be one thing- but I've always found that the local Honda dealers near me are always willing to discount Accords significantly more than the Toyota dealers are willing to discount Camrys... current market being the exception- where both are sticking to MSRP or higher.

The whole reason why I ended up getting a 2016 Accord rather than a Camry was because the local Toyota dealers weren't willing to negotiate much on a 2016 Camry... but my local Honda dealer was willing to sell an Accord for roughly $4500 under MSRP. Similar story in 2019... I was able to get an Accord Sport 2.0t for $4500 under MSRP... and again in 2021 for a Touring 2.0t for a similar discount before the market went nuts.

Its definitely a regional thing. Honda dealers in Southern California are known to be price gougers, while Toyota dealers were often the better place to get a deal. Honda dealers were marking their vehicles up long before many Toyota dealers did during the shortage. Accord has always been the #2 seller just behind the Camry, and has outsold it before in some years; when Nissan firesaled the Altima, it outsold both cars in certain months too.

The 10th Generation Accord (2018-2022) is a very good car in terms of handling... at least for a midsize mainstream sedan. It's much more entertaining to drive compared to the current Camry... although the current Camry is lightyears ahead of previous generations in terms of handling. It's all about priorities... The Accord handles better- but the compromise is ride quality and noise. The Camry is a much quieter car and it rides much softer... even in XSE trim with 19" wheels. I'll also say that quality is sometimes a mixed bag with modern Hondas. My 2016 and 2019 Accords were mostly fine. My 2021 Accord was a letdown in terms of quality (which is why I got rid of it after a year) and my wife's Passport is pretty rough too.

This. The Accord 2.0T, especially equipped with the 6 speed manual, was a sleeper because it was the detuned Civic Type R motor