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1. After how long of average driving (12.5K miles per year; 66% highway driving) does the Prius start to pay for itself over its higher sticker value?

2. How much is current battery replacement/repairs once the warrranty period ends?

3. Is it not a good idea to buy a used (20K miles) Prius?
 

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1. Depends on your fuel cost, insurance cost and so forth

2. If your battery dies today and for whatever reason isn't covered by the warranty, it's US$2,100 plus labour and taxes. I've been using that number for a year or two now so it might be lower but I haven't seen an updated figure.

3. It's fine if it's priced right and well-kept.
 

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1. Depends on your fuel cost, insurance cost and so forth

2. If your battery dies today and for whatever reason isn't covered by the warranty, it's US$2,100 plus labour and taxes. I've been using that number for a year or two now so it might be lower but I haven't seen an updated figure.

3. It's fine if it's priced right and well-kept.

1. How 'bout a ballpark estimate in n years?
2. Geez, I thought it was 7.5K$ to get a new one (outside of warranty)?
3. OK
 

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1. I really really can't give you an estimate (don't even know how Edmunds or Consumer Reports come up with n years. I suppose they just pick a random fuel price, some insurance cost and some resale value lol).

I mean if you want mine, I can give you my costs and you can do the addition. Keep in mind I'm in Canada not the US but since you just want a ball park.

Mine's a 2005 that I got in 25th Oct 2004. It's mostly city driving in a hilly area. The only highway driving I do is a short 4km stretch of 80km/h (50mph) into my university (when I went to college) or any road trips to the US at 70mph (I get 5.1L/100km or 46mpg at that speed).

My 2005's MSRP was Cdn$34,395. After taxes, it cost: Cdn$40,709.40 (Yeah, our cars are more expensive than yours). Our rebate back then was $700ish only :(. So let's just say $40,000 was my cost for calculations' sake.

According to my Excel Sheet:

Total km: 76,856.9 km
Lifetime mileage: 4.9L/100km (48mpg)
Total amount of fuel used: 3761.919 litres
Cost of fuel: $3,651.14
Total Maintenance Cost: $1,404.27

The maintenance cost included $136.72 for a new tyre last January because of an irrepairable nail damage, $1.44 for a taillight bulb and $483.42 for a new set (4) of tyres last Dec.


At 76,000km, my engine air filter has been replaced once. My coolant will be replaced at 80,000km. My brakes are practically brand new (90% front, 95% rear at the 64,000km service. Will get them checked at 80,000 when I rotate the tyres). The maintenance cost (oil & filter and full maintenance) are identical to our Camry.

At 76,000km for our 2002 Camry XLE 4 cylinder, we had to replace the brake pads (all four) once, the tyres once, the automatic transmission fluid once and the engine air filter twice. The pads are about $300 plus tax and labour. The tyres and fluids were close to $1,000 after taxes and engine air filter is about $40 each time plus tax. We never tracked the Camry's mileage but it's nearly $2,000 a year on average (and increase as gas prices doubled from 50¢/litre to > $1/litre) given similar kms per year as the Prius. At 24,000kms a year, that 76,000km was done in 3.167 years. At $2k a year, that's $6,333 at the same km as my Prius is right now. So it's about doubled the cost despite having a fuel price advantage at the start of its life in 2001 at 50¢/litre.

For around the same price, I could get a base 2005 Camry XLE V6 for $33,245 plus tax (no leather, TRAC, VSC, Brake Assist, foglights, CD Changer, heated seats, power passenger seat). If I wanted all that, it's $36,735 plus tax.


2. hahaha. Yeah, I've heard $5,000, $10,000, $20,000, you name it.
 

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1. I really really can't give you an estimate (don't even know how Edmunds or Consumer Reports come up with n years. I suppose they just pick a random fuel price, some insurance cost and some resale value lol).

I mean if you want mine, I can give you my costs and you can do the addition. Keep in mind I'm in Canada not the US but since you just want a ball park.

Mine's a 2005 that I got in 25th Oct 2004. It's mostly city driving in a hilly area. The only highway driving I do is a short 4km stretch of 80km/h (50mph) into my university (when I went to college) or any road trips to the US at 70mph (I get 5.1L/100km or 46mpg at that speed).

My 2005's MSRP was Cdn$34,395. After taxes, it cost: Cdn$40,709.40 (Yeah, our cars are more expensive than yours). Our rebate back then was $700ish only :(. So let's just say $40,000 was my cost for calculations' sake.

According to my Excel Sheet:

Total km: 76,856.9 km
Lifetime mileage: 4.9L/100km (48mpg)
Total amount of fuel used: 3761.919 litres
Cost of fuel: $3,651.14
Total Maintenance Cost: $1,404.27

The maintenance cost included $136.72 for a new tyre last January because of an irrepairable nail damage, $1.44 for a taillight bulb and $483.42 for a new set (4) of tyres last Dec.


At 76,000km, my engine air filter has been replaced once. My coolant will be replaced at 80,000km. My brakes are practically brand new (90% front, 95% rear at the 64,000km service. Will get them checked at 80,000 when I rotate the tyres). The maintenance cost (oil & filter and full maintenance) are identical to our Camry.

At 76,000km for our 2002 Camry XLE 4 cylinder, we had to replace the brake pads (all four) once, the tyres once, the automatic transmission fluid once and the engine air filter twice. The pads are about $300 plus tax and labour. The tyres and fluids were close to $1,000 after taxes and engine air filter is about $40 each time plus tax. We never tracked the Camry's mileage but it's nearly $2,000 a year on average (and increase as gas prices doubled from 50¢/litre to > $1/litre) given similar kms per year as the Prius. At 24,000kms a year, that 76,000km was done in 3.167 years. At $2k a year, that's $6,333 at the same km as my Prius is right now. So it's about doubled the cost despite having a fuel price advantage at the start of its life in 2001 at 50¢/litre.

For around the same price, I could get a base 2005 Camry XLE V6 for $33,245 plus tax (no leather, TRAC, VSC, Brake Assist, foglights, CD Changer, heated seats, power passenger seat). If I wanted all that, it's $36,735 plus tax.


2. hahaha. Yeah, I've heard $5,000, $10,000, $20,000, you name it.
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1. Could you give your executive summary and conclusion, in your case??
2. Wow, so $2500 US dollars for a battery replacement outside of warranty, isn't too bad??
 

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LOL. ok...

- Fuel is half as costly as the Camry
- Insurance as about the same actually as the Camry
- Maintenance is cheaper (smaller tyres = lower replacement costs, no auto-tranny fluid, engine air filter lasts longer) than the Camry.

Plus, given that you're in the US, I assume you'll travel more miles per year than I would so it might be worth it to you.

2. That's the battery only. You need to factor in labour which will add to the cost.
 

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I'm brand new to this forum, but I've been doing research and analysis on the payback for a high-mpg hybrid for a while now. I'm about to post a web site (which I'll link to in this forum when it's ready) that will allow anyone to compare fuel (only) costs between 2 vehicles. I live on the east cost of the US and currently own a 1993 Ford Aerostar (at 16mpg) and a 1999 Volvo C70 (at 21mpg). I drive about 25,000 miles per year. If fuel costs rise the 15% per year that they've done since 2003 for the next 10 years, gas will cost over $13/gallon. At that cost, a 20mpg vehicle driven 25,000 miles per year for 10 years will drink over $96,000 in fuel alone. Even at a super-conservative 3% increase per year for the next 10 years, that same 20mpg vehicle/mileage will consume almost $50,000 in fuel. On the flip side, a 45mpg Prius (for example) at a 3% annual fuel increase would only sip about $22,000 in fuel.
 
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