[sexytool]

G'day

My mates' crazy about camrys, and he linked me to this 500 odd hp camry with a turbo and it did a breaking start - it took him about 15 seconds to reach 240.

He says the engine is a 3vzfe and i'm honestly intrigued now - how / where did the owner of the car go wrong to only pull high 14s to 15s ?

I had a quick peruse through some threads here and saw that there are a couple of trannys that the camrys use that really kill performance, could this be the issue?

Thanks for any info you can give =]

 

[Venom_5]

are you talking about Tony's 1MZ-FE Turbo V6? its at 550whp ....

his car is definitely quicker than 15s tho, even on the old setup

 

[prnc_chrmng]

if i remember right on those runs he didnt launch off the line, which was why his times were a little higher...

 

[xet]

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223652

Camry at the drag strip.. Running old tune after dropping the compression ratio. I wussed out and didn't want to break anything yet so I didn't launch at all.. Just rolled off the line to see what my traps speed was (118 mph).. That MPH means the car is already 11 sec capable.
http://tunertrader.vidiac.com/catego...190098484d.htm

 

[sexytool]

yea, i was half way through editing my original post after my mate linked me and i noticed it's an entirely different engine. Sorry!

I AM talking about Tonys' car, and i know now it was a 12.9s not a 15. On the other hand though my mate wants to try and mod a 3vzfe...

What can he honestly expect? When i saw the vid + saw it's really 550hp w/ nos and pulls 12.9's softlaunched, but i thought that was pretty average.

The reason i say that is if you look on youtube you can see VT commodores with 444 rwhp pulling 11's and they're 400kg heavier..

I'm not out to troll camry forums btw i just want to know - what does Tony pull on a proper launch and how much do you realistically have to spend to get that?

Can you pull this with a 3vzfe?

Edit; I've read about a few transplants you can do with heavy engine mount + other mods to a Gen3 94 camry, but in australia any mods to the engine mounts immediately makes the car illegal and un-roadworthy unless you get it passed by an engineer, which will add about 3k to his totals.

Also he was saying he's seen a TRD Aurion supercharger addrd to a 3vz and i wanted to ask if this is easy or another one of those cases of alot of money spent and alot of heavy mods.

The biggest problem he faces is he's got a 3vzfe, he lives in australia so he can't legally engine swap and from my crash-course on 3vzfe's from him, it's only going to pull 14's at fastest and cost him 10 grand =/

I just want to know how much of this is accurate, thanks!

 

[Venom_5]

i wouldnt expect 550hp out of a 3VZ unless you put 10s of thousands of $s into it like he did

but the 3VZ can definitely make decent power with a nice turbo setup

 

[felonyr301]

3vz-fe stock is much better than a 1mz-fe stock when going turbo but Tony's engine is built up and he spend alot of money.

 

[Luckynumber5]

400 horsepower should be attainable on a well cared for 3vz-fe with an upgraded head gasket.

Tony's car could easily run 11's he just hasn't pushed it at the track, something about launching with 300 lb feet and destroying axles and suspension :lol:

 

[blackhawk]

yah his car is more like a space ship something out of this world

 

[sexytool]

So in other words, no it's not capable of 11s, since it would destroy itself.

There are measures you can take, like strengthening the sub frame, strutbars, swaybars, etc etc but once again, it's alot of money spent on 100% custom parts (read, tens of thousands of dollars each part, since they'll have to be designed, made and passed from scratch by engineers).

 

[Crushgate]

i was more wondering about. if u turbo a v6 east west it would have to be some very interesting plumbing from the manifold to the charger what would the best way to do it be?

 

[Eye8Pussies]

no, the car is still capable of holding that kind of power in the frame, axles, etc. and specific to the v6 axles- if you've seen the size of them, they can take a whole lot of power before they'll break.

but the thing is that when you have that much power in a car, you always have to worry- but more about things such as engine mounts and whatever is holding your engine down and preventing it from torquing itself off the subframe

tony had just finished putting his car together and tuning, etc and didn't have THAT much driving time beforehand when he went to the track....I wouldn't have pushed my car 100% either personally at that point...do some soft launches that get harder and harder...and then when you know that your setup can take it, do the full launches off the line :thumbup:


and I have to agree with the potential of the 3vzfe over the 1mzfe when it comes to boost. the only down-side to using a 3vz mostly is in the fact that it's OBDI. But that can also be a good thing sometimes to not have to contend with the obdII crap and just go standalone. But then nothing is a bolt-on.

 

[BIGBOOSTCAMRY]

How can i on to Tony??? I would like to have a chat with him re his camry!!! I am spending the dough but i would like some info!
Cheers!!!!

 

[Crushgate]

no, the car is still capable of holding that kind of power in the frame, axles, etc. and specific to the v6 axles- if you've seen the size of them, they can take a whole lot of power before they'll break.

but the thing is that when you have that much power in a car, you always have to worry- but more about things such as engine mounts and whatever is holding your engine down and preventing it from torquing itself off the subframe

tony had just finished putting his car together and tuning, etc and didn't have THAT much driving time beforehand when he went to the track....I wouldn't have pushed my car 100% either personally at that point...do some soft launches that get harder and harder...and then when you know that your setup can take it, do the full launches off the line :thumbup:


and I have to agree with the potential of the 3vzfe over the 1mzfe when it comes to boost. the only down-side to using a 3vz mostly is in the fact that it's OBDI. But that can also be a good thing sometimes to not have to contend with the obdII crap and just go standalone. But then nothing is a bolt-on.

well im the guy who has the 3vz-fe the guy that sexytool is talking about and im mearly trying to get as much info as possible about my engine its potential and the best things to do about it to turbo it

PS: wtf does OBDI stand for?

 

[xet]

pm tonythetiger if you have questions for him

 

[eurohazard]

PS: wtf does OBDI stand for?

On Board Diagnostics (generation one)

Basically pre 1996 cars

 

[Tony the Tiger]

My Camry isn't a 1/4mile racer at all, and I don't plan to make it into one either with a huge single turbo... It has enough power to do 11's without a doubt, but my point is, the money is usually spent elsewhere other than a set of slicks and try to score a best ET. This car is meant for cruising around town, and an all around car that is great from a standstill, rolling race or a highway pull. It's grossly overpowered that I will be able to rip most exotics here, and to do so, the car must be a highway runner because these Porsche/Ferrari dudes don't stop until they hit over 260 km/h...lol

Like I said a lot of times, there is no REAL reason to turbo up a Camry to such extent.. It isn't cheap, it doesn't give amazing results per dollar, and it isn't easy at all. I just built it because it's my first car, and also my favourite car, so I transformed it into something I want it to be...LOL So don't go out there thinking you can get a 520WHP Camry for cheap, because most likely you will probably have two 800 WHP Hondas for the same price

Best time up to date is 12.6 @ 122 mph, that was after a retune on the lower compression setup. This is all history, because the Camry is coming back out with a completely different setup... This time, I may consider putting on some slicks...lol

 

[Crushgate]

My Camry isn't a 1/4mile racer at all, and I don't plan to make it into one either with a huge single turbo... It has enough power to do 11's without a doubt, but my point is, the money is usually spent elsewhere other than a set of slicks and try to score a best ET. This car is meant for cruising around town, and an all around car that is great from a standstill, rolling race or a highway pull. It's grossly overpowered that I will be able to rip most exotics here, and to do so, the car must be a highway runner because these Porsche/Ferrari dudes don't stop until they hit over 260 km/h...lol

Like I said a lot of times, there is no REAL reason to turbo up a Camry to such extent.. It isn't cheap, it doesn't give amazing results per dollar, and it isn't easy at all. I just built it because it's my first car, and also my favourite car, so I transformed it into something I want it to be...LOL So don't go out there thinking you can get a 520WHP Camry for cheap, because most likely you will probably have two 800 WHP Hondas for the same price

Best time up to date is 12.6 @ 122 mph, that was after a retune on the lower compression setup. This is all history, because the Camry is coming back out with a completely different setup... This time, I may consider putting on some slicks...lol

lol that kinda the reason why im doing mine up. its my first car and i just want it to go faster with forced induction (mostly for a cruising car) but will take it down the 1/4 to see what it can do. if there is anything u can help me with tony it would be very much appreciated cheers

its like treading into unknown terratory so i would like to get some advise who has actually done somthing to a camry before cheers. also i know its not gonna be cheap but its somthing i want to do, each to their own i say and if your own happens to be the same as some one elses then bonus.

PS. why dont u get a full body kit on your car instead of just having the front?

 

[Tony the Tiger]

So in other words, no it's not capable of 11s, since it would destroy itself.

There are measures you can take, like strengthening the sub frame, strutbars, swaybars, etc etc but once again, it's alot of money spent on 100% custom parts (read, tens of thousands of dollars each part, since they'll have to be designed, made and passed from scratch by engineers).

I launched too many times already, maybe once a weekend; only when I am closer to home though. The chassis is not going to break at an 11 sec pass, gimme a break. I only worry about the axles, and no, I am not going to get $1000 custom stage4+ axles just because I wanted to get a better 1/4mile in a type of racing that I don't even do at all 364 days a year. No matter what, I wasn't going to launch the car at the track 2.5 hours away from home.

The track day was to confirm one thing... trap speed. I didn't care if I ran 11 sec, 10.5, or a 16 sec pass. In fact, I kinda wanted to run a 13 sec pass @ 140 mph :lol: 500+ WHP in any FWD car without slicks is not going to perform well. If I was a 1/4mile racer, I would keep the power around 400 WHP. Even with slicks, the car is never going to launch in the same manner on street pavement. It's not like if a ran a 11 sec pass with slicks, I can go destroy a Porsche 997 turbo that runs 11's on street tires. The trap speed is a different story, it tells you the car's power, powerband, power-to-weight and so forth. For example, if you ever plan on bringing an "11 sec car" that only traps 110 mph, be prepared to get murdered by my "12 sec Camry" from a rolling race, a midspeed pull or a highway run because it traps 118+ mph. That's the beauty of it.

The key being, there is no immediate competition with my Camry... No matter what I did, I would have the highest WHP Camry known on earth, and still the highest trap speed, and probably the fastest 1/4mile time (would be unofficial anyway). There is no reason to beat up the car to compete against nobody.

 

[Crushgate]

here here :thumbsup: