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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hi all,

I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
fuel efficiency.

Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
improvement they have seen?

Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
goes, similar to ethanol?

Thanks.
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Viator, 1/2/2006,3:03:56 PM, wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.


Here is a previous conversation about the same topic.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/browse_thread/thread/2a0
f7bc13f6361e0/ecc4108c68fdf171?q=acetone&rnum=1#ecc4108c68fdf171

or

http://tinyurl.com/asgzr

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"A zebra does not change its spots." ~ Al Gore
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.
>


Google is your friend. "Acetone in Gasoline"

http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

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- Philip
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Philip, 1/2/2006,4:06:49 PM, wrote:

>
> "Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> > acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> > fuel efficiency.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> > improvement they have seen?
> >
> > Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> > Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> > goes, similar to ethanol?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >

>
> Google is your friend. "Acetone in Gasoline"
>
> http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/


You seem to be condoning this practice. If that is true I find it very
odd considering your strict adherence to the manufacturer's maintenance
schedules and recommended practices.
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.


don't spill any on your paint job. It will strip paint real good.
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"Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit."

Vince Lombardi
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Philip, 1/2/2006,4:06:49 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> "Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
>> > acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
>> > fuel efficiency.
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
>> > improvement they have seen?
>> >
>> > Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
>> > Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
>> > goes, similar to ethanol?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >

>>
>> Google is your friend. "Acetone in Gasoline"
>>
>> http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

>
> You seem to be condoning this practice. If that is true I find it very
> odd considering your strict adherence to the manufacturer's maintenance
> schedules and recommended practices.


I am not condoning or agreeing with the practice. But SOMEBODY has to be the
guinea pig ;^)
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:03:56 -0800, Viator wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.


Didn't we go through this last year and I offered to 'sacrifice' my van to
check this out? Still haven't done it, Have I?


>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.


--
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?


OK, say that the people who claim this works are right. If it did what they
said don't you think at least one oil company would start selling "acetone
enhanced" fuel and advertise the significant increase in mileage.

In my opinion it is at best a stupid idea and the people who are reporting
significant mileage increases are either deliberately misstating the result,
or they are not controlling all the variable and the measurements are
worthless, or they are just bad at collecting data.

If it worked someone would sell the stuff for the purpose.

Ed
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>


Acetone was tested in the 1920s as an octane booster. Acetone performance is
almost exactly the same as ethanol addition. It's not worth the cost.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
Viator wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.
>




A friend and I have both tried it..
In my car ('97 pontiac GTP-Supercharged 3.8L V6) it made a very slight
difference,Maybe half a mile per gallon,according to the cars computer
thingie.
Perhaps it cleaned the fuel injectors out,because it seemed to have a
bit more "pep" and ran a little smoother for a while.

I have yet to test it in my '67 chev,with a 327 smallblock,because the
fuel gauge is bonkers (and I'm too lazy to do the extra math!)

In my friends car (an older Mazda 626,carbureted 4-cyl,2.3L I think?)
he said he noticed a bit more pep,and also slightly smoother running
engine. Nada damn difference in his gas mileage,infact in one tank of
gas it actually went down a bit,but we think that was caused by leaving
the car running while parked (we were doing some tune-up stuff,etc..so
it was sitting,idling a fair bit that week.)

From what I've read acetone won't hurt any of the parts of the fuel
system like ethanol will.
I read a story of a guy who tested various rubber parts in straight
acetone,left them in there for up to a year,so far no issues.
So a few ounces in your gas tank certainly shouldn't hurt anything.

I've read that it can help clean out carbon buildup and "gunk" in the
engine,which may have explained the tiny bit more power,and smoother
idle. So far with our experiments,Acetone does jack-squat for the gas
mileage.Maybe a *minor* improvement.

One other aspect to consider,is ethanol.
In the winter they add "up to 10% ethanol" to the gas..
Alcohol sorta defeats the purpose of the Acetone,not to mention alcohol
hygroscopic-it attracts and binds with water.
The Alcohol,and Acetone are working against eachother..
We might give it another shot in the summertime,when they aren't adding
ethanol to the gas. It might make more of a difference then?
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Re: Acetone added to gasoline for better fuel efficiency? Phatty Nominated for best answer

"phatty mo" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Viator wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> > acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> > fuel efficiency.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> > improvement they have seen?
> >
> > Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> > Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> > goes, similar to ethanol?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >

>
>
>
> A friend and I have both tried it..
> In my car ('97 pontiac GTP-Supercharged 3.8L V6) it made a very slight
> difference,Maybe half a mile per gallon,according to the cars computer
> thingie.
> Perhaps it cleaned the fuel injectors out,because it seemed to have a
> bit more "pep" and ran a little smoother for a while.
>
> I have yet to test it in my '67 chev,with a 327 smallblock,because the
> fuel gauge is bonkers (and I'm too lazy to do the extra math!)
>
> In my friends car (an older Mazda 626,carbureted 4-cyl,2.3L I think?)
> he said he noticed a bit more pep,and also slightly smoother running
> engine. Nada damn difference in his gas mileage,infact in one tank of
> gas it actually went down a bit,but we think that was caused by leaving
> the car running while parked (we were doing some tune-up stuff,etc..so
> it was sitting,idling a fair bit that week.)
>
> From what I've read acetone won't hurt any of the parts of the fuel
> system like ethanol will.
> I read a story of a guy who tested various rubber parts in straight
> acetone,left them in there for up to a year,so far no issues.
> So a few ounces in your gas tank certainly shouldn't hurt anything.
>
> I've read that it can help clean out carbon buildup and "gunk" in the
> engine,which may have explained the tiny bit more power,and smoother
> idle. So far with our experiments,Acetone does jack-squat for the gas
> mileage.Maybe a *minor* improvement.
>
> One other aspect to consider,is ethanol.
> In the winter they add "up to 10% ethanol" to the gas..
> Alcohol sorta defeats the purpose of the Acetone,not to mention alcohol
> hygroscopic-it attracts and binds with water.
> The Alcohol,and Acetone are working against eachother..
> We might give it another shot in the summertime,when they aren't adding
> ethanol to the gas. It might make more of a difference then?
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
"bw" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
>> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
>> fuel efficiency.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
>> improvement they have seen?
>>

>
>Acetone was tested in the 1920s as an octane booster. Acetone performance is
>almost exactly the same as ethanol addition. It's not worth the cost.
>


Of course...it always amazes me how gullible people are...don't
you suppose if a couple ounces of a common product added to a
tankful of fuel could increase economy by 35% that oil companies
would be cornering the market and selling it for big
bux?...where's yer common sense fellers?...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
"Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.
>


Anyone that tried it, the gasoline company would find and disappear. I would
not speak of this again...it is taboo..
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Hi all,
>
> I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
> acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
> fuel efficiency.
>
> Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
> improvement they have seen?
>
> Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
> Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
> goes, similar to ethanol?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Don't know about Acetone in fuel other than Acetone will attack several
types of plastic, some of which are not attacked by petrol so may be
used in the fuel line.

Xylene and Toluene are known Octane improvers (used by drag racers). An
octane improver may improve fuel efficiency, or it may just boost the
performance of the engine.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
NeedforSwede2 wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
>>acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
>>fuel efficiency.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
>>improvement they have seen?
>>
>>Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
>>Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
>>goes, similar to ethanol?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>

>
> Don't know about Acetone in fuel other than Acetone will attack several
> types of plastic, some of which are not attacked by petrol so may be
> used in the fuel line.
>
> Xylene and Toluene are known Octane improvers (used by drag racers). An
> octane improver may improve fuel efficiency, or it may just boost the
> performance of the engine.



Octane improver only improve engine performance if spark is advanced
(manually or by ECM) to take advantage of the increase octane otherwise
higher octane fuel hax no more energy per gallon than regular gas.
(actually a tiny bit less)

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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
In article <gGvuf.2028$%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Octane improver only improve engine performance if spark is advanced
> (manually or by ECM) to take advantage of the increase octane otherwise
> higher octane fuel hax no more energy per gallon than regular gas.
> (actually a tiny bit less)
>

Oh agreed. The octane of fuel actually effectively describes how hard it
is to ignite the fuel.

But the benefit is, higher octane, higher advance available, more power
from the engine. Modern engine management systems either do this on the
fly, or after a reset and relearn.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
NeedforSwede2 wrote:
> In article <gGvuf.2028$%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Octane improver only improve engine performance if spark is advanced
>>(manually or by ECM) to take advantage of the increase octane otherwise
>>higher octane fuel hax no more energy per gallon than regular gas.
>>(actually a tiny bit less)
>>

>
> Oh agreed. The octane of fuel actually effectively describes how hard it
> is to ignite the fuel.
>
> But the benefit is, higher octane, higher advance available, more power
> from the engine. Modern engine management systems either do this on the
> fly, or after a reset and relearn.



Increase octane resist tendancy to preignite and it burns a bit slower
but it will lite with a spark just as easily

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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
TheSnoMan <[email protected]> wrote:

>NeedforSwede2 wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
>>>acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
>>>fuel efficiency.
>>>
>>>Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
>>>improvement they have seen?
>>>
>>>Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
>>>Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
>>>goes, similar to ethanol?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Don't know about Acetone in fuel other than Acetone will attack several
>> types of plastic, some of which are not attacked by petrol so may be
>> used in the fuel line.
>>
>> Xylene and Toluene are known Octane improvers (used by drag racers). An
>> octane improver may improve fuel efficiency, or it may just boost the
>> performance of the engine.

>
>
>Octane improver only improve engine performance if spark is advanced
>(manually or by ECM) to take advantage of the increase octane otherwise
>higher octane fuel hax no more energy per gallon than regular gas.
>(actually a tiny bit less)


Yes...a tiny bit less as you say...one helluva job to convince
some people of that 'fact' though...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
"badgolferman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Philip, 1/2/2006,4:06:49 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> "Viator" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I heard a rumor that you can add a couple ounces of
>> > acetone to 10 gallons of gas and achieve greater
>> > fuel efficiency.
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me if they've tried this and what
>> > improvement they have seen?
>> >
>> > Also, what about doing this with a Toyota truck?
>> > Isn't acetone a risk factor as far as wearing out parts
>> > goes, similar to ethanol?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >

>>
>> Google is your friend. "Acetone in Gasoline"
>>
>> http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

>
> You seem to be condoning this practice. If that is true I find it very
> odd considering your strict adherence to the manufacturer's maintenance
> schedules and recommended practices.


If you have a Coleman gasoline stove, yes.
Except they use naphtha in Coleman fuel.
Improves vapor pressure thru burner....
Gasoline in recent years seems to be lacking the pressure it has had in the
past.
Which leads to coking in the heater tube running to the burner.
But then in years past ,lead was the problem ,when gas had severe vapor
pressure.
The reason folks bought "white gas" back then, for their Coleman. And added
paint thinner
for vapor pressure.
Aviation gas with benzene had the most pressure....can't even get that high
of octane ,
even for race tracks these days.
That is not to say Stanley and other steamcars didn't use longer(2.5 to3
times roughly) heater tubes to vaporize fuel oil.
With a "Coleman" gas burner for a pilot light.(Of course, Coleman didn't
have gasoline stoves during that
time.)
But then internal combusion gasoline engines didn't make more than 60hp off
the track.During that era.
Ford T's and A's ran 15hp.And could run almost any liquid including
kerosene.
Shame to see folks spenting more time on adding lacquer thinner/fingernail
polish remover. Than an engine that
will burn any liquid.Given the politics of gasoline supply, at this time.


>




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Discussion Starter · #20 ·
NeedforSwede2 wrote:

>But the benefit is, higher octane, higher advance available, more power
>from the engine. Modern engine management systems either do this on the
>fly, or after a reset and relearn.


Indeed, I've found my Supra, should I disconnect the battery, takes
about a day or two of driving before it regains 100% performance.
 
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