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About to change my ATF again. Used Valvoline Maxlife last time, it's been 30k+ miles with no issues. Considering going back to Toyota WS, or just using Valvoline again. Curious what everyone else uses, and what results they've had.
 

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I'd lean towards staying with the Valvoline since you'll never get it all out and the Maxlife is a good ATF.
I hear ya man, but I'm planning to do the radiator line method which actually will get the majority of it out. Done it before on another vehicle and can attest to the fact that it is very effective; possibly the best way to go about it. I'm just trying to find the best fluid to use as, after this flush, I will probably extend the interval for doing these out quite a bit. It's Kind of a pain, and I'm a busy guy.
 

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I hear ya man, but I'm planning to do the radiator line method which actually will get the majority of it out. Done it before on another vehicle and can attest to the fact that it is very effective; possibly the best way to go about it. I'm just trying to find the best fluid to use as, after this flush, I will probably extend the interval for doing these out quite a bit. It's Kind of a pain, and I'm a busy guy.
I think you can safely do at least 50-60K between changes on a decent ATF. My current Avalon is 65K miles old and at about 60K I did my first transmission fluid change, fluid that came out of it was still fairly good. I had 3 Avalons before and I was always changing ATF around that kind of mileage, I was always using OEM Toyota fluid and never had any issues. According to Toyota manual on 2013 - 2018 Avalon you don't have to change it at all unless driving in "demanding conditions", which translates in the normal human language as "do it on your own risk" lol.
 

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I think you can safely do at least 50-60K between changes on a decent ATF. My current Avalon is 65K miles old and at about 60K I did my first transmission fluid change, fluid that came out of it was still fairly good. I had 3 Avalons before and I was always changing ATF around that kind of mileage, I was always using OEM Toyota fluid and never had any issues. According to Toyota manual on 2013 - 2018 Avalon you don't have to change it at all unless driving in "demanding conditions", which translates in the normal human language as "do it on your own risk" lol.
Really, because what I took out at 37k was fairly putrid. In any case, yeah I'm pretty much planning to do what you do; use oem fluid and change it around every 50 to 60k miles. I dont doubt that one can safely run the fluid for even longer than that, but to never change...yeah, I dunno why they'd recommend that, other than to bleed you for transmission replacements in the future.
 

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What is the cost savings of using the Valvoline ATF? Can't be much. I always use the Toyota ATF in my Toyotas.
 

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Has nothing to do with cost of savings... its available and local, and I can use it in my other vehicles in the driveway


Here's another at the local autopart and hardware stores:
 

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I only use the Toyota WS fluid. Never any issues with it, it’s readily available and reasonably priced. The first transmission fluid service on a Toyota usually comes out dark, and the proceeding ones don’t. Don’t know why that is but I’ve seen that in all sorts of mileage...50,000...60,000...70,000. First drain is frightening dark, the next ones aren’t. Do they use a different dye at the factory? But despite the initial first drain color, I’ve never experienced shift quality or transmission issues.
 

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Has nothing to do with cost of savings... its available and local, and I can use it in my other vehicles in the driveway


Here's another at the local autopart and hardware stores:
I didnt know Pennzoil is now making a generic transmission fluid, or a transmission fluid at all.

But that’s a very broad range of vehicles it says it handles, ranging from Toyota, to GM, Honda, and many others. Not sure how I’d feel about that. And it says, medium viscosity. I’ve always read that the WS is a very viscosity fluid? I could be wrong about that, but I’m pretty sure that’s the case. What does that mean? I’m not sure about that either, but I imagine shift quality/feel, could change.

In the last I have experienced shift quality issues on previous vehicles (mostly Honda) when using a different fluid than OE. But, Toyota’s are probably more forgiving - as I know so many use the Maxlife with good results.
 
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