AE86_Celica GTS said:
Thanks for the info guys, we'll see whats available when the time comes. Just curious where can i get a 20v ST swap for 600? The thing that bothers me about the 20v are how hard parts are to find for it, and i've heard 16v parts won't work, but that could be wrong. Another option we came up with is a JDM Redtop 4age. I think it's rated at 140hp? not bad considering it would save tranny and wiring worries and only 5hp less than an aw11 gze.
One last question, what are the main differences through out 88-91 in ae92s gt-s', I know 90-91 gts seats are different, suspension, etc and now that the 90-91 came with a redtop. HP rating on Redtop vs. Bluetop? Any others?
Any other info is appreciated, thanks for all the help so far guys.
OKAY as for you...
IN CANADA
the 88-89 GTS's came with the BIGPORT (refered to as BLUETOP)
90=91 GTS's came with SMALLPORT (refered to as REDTOP)
overall the biggest differences in these cars was the motor, Daytime running lights, interior fabrics, and if you get power windows and doorlocks, the controls for them are much nicer on the 90-91. Instead of stupid little switches on the door panel, its a really nice handle with the switches integrated into the them on the doorpanels.
Bluetop - slow motors that have to be revved up high to keep up with traffic, with exhaust this is annoying.
Redtop - rev up much smoother and driveability is better for city driving
GZE - lots of torque and fast but if you're heavy footed I dont recommend because you'll drink gas and its not really that fun, its heavy, you cant throw it through gears like N/A. Yeah its fast but depends on you're driving style, you want fast and boring. GZE is for you. If you like normal city driving, with the ability to throw it through gears still in the city to have fun N/A.
I recommend 20V st becasue it doesnt rely on sensors as much as the blacktop 20V's. ST more reliable, really fun motor which doesnt have to be reved up super high to keep with traffic, rather upto 2500rpm is good enough to keep up anything above that and you're having some fun and really moving along.
as for parts for the 20V, In Japan the Toyota Cavaliers had 20V's in them and all those ae101, ae111's starting to get cut up and parts getting shipped out here.. Parts are much more available today then they were 2 yrs ago, and much much cheaper.
as for wiring with the different motors, the interior harnesses in the 88-89 plug up to the gze wiring from any gen GZE's... 90-91 interior harnesses plug up with 20v wiring... This will help out alot because I HATE splicing wires( not as reliable as uncut).
As for Toyotaspeed his car is an SR5. totally different from a GTS, even his wiring is totally different.
When I swapped in the redtop(Smallport) I changed all my harnesses, interior, chassis everything). and when I swapped in the 20V all i had to do was plug and play with minimal wire pin relocations.
when the 3sgte all wheel drive shit goes in, its gonna be all changed again.
If you really want I still have all the harnesses and you can come check them out to see the difference.
Check the For Sale section, there was a guy on here from Hamilton selling a complete 20V ST for $600 sometime last month.