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How can we disable and/or remove the device that allows Toyota to locate, spy and track on my vehicule? And how does this communication system work specifically (simcard, radio, satellite)?
 

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Are you leasing or financing through Toyota Motor? You may have agreed for them to track your vehicle when you signed all the papers.

I am assuming that you are not talking about some OEM feature of the vehicle that was installed at the factory. Some vehicles (not sure about Toyota) have a system that detects accidents and notifies authorities as to your location. I assume this would be discussed in the owners manual.
 

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I paid this vehicule cash. It's a brand new Tacoma 2020 off-road access cab. No credit, I'm the only owner and I don't give a f... about Toyota "safety connect". I'm self-sufficient enough to ensure my own safety.

Yesterday evening I did a search and I discovered that the device in question is named DCM Telematics Transceiver.

Now, I just need to know where this spying shit is located on my truck and how to physically remove it. I want to make sure there's no possibility for Toyota (or the police) to locate my vehicle in real time.
 

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Next time pay cash for a 1995 Toyota vehicle and not deal with the Microsoft/Toyota partnership thru cellular networks. What could possibly go wrong?

Find the cellular antenna or transceiver and rip it out or disable it. Obviously, you could spend all day at techinfo.toyota.com and not figure it out. So, I bet that Toyota is going to make it difficult to remove without triggering error codes.

Enjoy your socialist vehicle. We know who you are, what you're doing, and where you're going before you do. And, if we need to find you, we can Arkancide you quickly too. Muahhahahahahahha
 

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If removing this espionage device can cause error notifications, isolate the device in a Faraday cage to prevent any communication with Big Brother Toyota could be a solution.

It's not paranoia, it's real.
 

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Actually I have a similar question. How does Apex communicate your location back to their servers? Is there a GPS receiver in the truck?? If so why can't Scout use THAT instead of my phone??
 

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A Toyota dealer agreed to give me the schematic of the piece in question. What I have learned so far is that the apparatus is called "DCM Telematics Transceiver" and is located behind the glove box. It is not more or less than an integrated smartphone in your vehicle without your consent. For that, FUCK YOU TOYOTA!

This device communicates with Toyota via the Verizon cell network. This shit can give everything to Toyota, all the information about your driving habits, your location via the GPS integrated in the vehicule and even what you say in your truck!

According to a specialist who I mentioned this problem, the best way to ensure that Toyota cannot spy on the vehicle without withdrawing the complete device (which could cause error codes) is to disconnect the antenna cable from the device and design a tight cage of Faraday custom made of copper for the device.

I'm working on it right now.
 

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I agree that cutting the antenna might be the way to go, but cellular frequencies are so high I'm not sure there will be much to cut. The antenna could just be printed right on the PCB. I would say maybe open up the module and remove the RF components, maybe it has an MMIC final or something obvious. What about removing or rewriting whatever holds the SIM or IMSI/IMEI so the network won't let it connect? Could you find the IMEI and report it stolen so it gets blacklisted from the network?

You also may want to remove the EDR from the air bag system. I suspect that there is an EEPROM on the control board that gets written to, and you could either isolate the write enable pin or maybe remove the EEPROM all together. Looking at an EDR reader tool would probably give some huge hints.

I think the real challenge will be how to convince yourself that it has been killed successfully.

This is an interesting topic that will probably become a big deal once people see the technology being abused by the state, hackers, exes, etc.
 

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I agree that cutting the antenna might be the way to go, but cellular frequencies are so high I'm not sure there will be much to cut. The antenna could just be printed right on the PCB. I would say maybe open up the module and remove the RF components, maybe it has an MMIC final or something obvious. What about removing or rewriting whatever holds the SIM or IMSI/IMEI so the network won't let it connect? Could you find the IMEI and report it stolen so it gets blacklisted from the network?

You also may want to remove the EDR from the air bag system. I suspect that there is an EEPROM on the control board that gets written to, and you could either isolate the write enable pin or maybe remove the EEPROM all together. Looking at an EDR reader tool would probably give some huge hints.

I think the real challenge will be how to convince yourself that it has been killed successfully.

This is an interesting topic that will probably become a big deal once people see the technology being abused by the state, hackers, exes, etc.
Custom wire-harness and ECU for the whole vehicle.
 

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I bet this system is great for keeping track of how many Toyota pickups have been lost to combat operations in the sands of the middle east. 😂
 

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I bet this system is great for keeping track of how many Toyota pickups have been lost to combat operations in the sands of the middle east. 😂
Those were all Hilux's and Land Cruisers so they probably don't count.
 

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Those were all Hilux's and Land Cruisers so they probably don't count.
I wonder if Toyota includes kevlar liners in the doors as stock issue on those trucks? War damage hotline even? 1 month limited lifespan warranty, air attack coverage excluded?
 

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I wonder if Toyota includes kevlar liners in the doors as stock issue on those trucks? War damage hotline even? 1 month limited lifespan warranty, air attack coverage excluded?
Just good old steel plating, all... 10mm worth. As long as the engine keeps running and the wheels somehow keep spinning, it will do its job.
 

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I did a little research and apparently the DCM will throw a code if it detects an open or short in the antenna circuit. Unclear if the code will turn on the MIL. Perhaps a dummy load inside a faraday cage would fit the bill.
 

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This is bogus thread.
You get pissed at Toyota, forgetting benefits of having some sort of tracker in vehicle, and forget that you are constantly tracked by your cell phone. Or, your smart watch, fidbit and whatever else advanced piece of electronics you have on you or with you. Laptop. Tablet. Does not matter. Crap, your smart TV spies on you more than your truck. Or, your PC you typed all those posts on.
The ONLY way to rid of all this is to go caveman life. Even then, you WILL be tracked by street cameras, security cameras and what not.
So please, do the right choice - go completely out of Matrix, if it's even possible. Otherwise, no need to slur Toyota for allegedly spying on you. Make your adult choice. Forgo technology, or deal with it.
 

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This is bogus thread.
Not really. While the concern over data collection by Toyota is a little paranoid, there are plenty of legitimate concerns with these systems.

1. IOT security has always been terrible. And before saying Toyota would do it better than, say an appliance manufacturer, take a look at the scathing code review from the investigation in to Toyota's DBW system that may have already killed people:

http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/articles/toyota-unintended-acceleration-and-big-bowl-“spaghetti”-code

If they can't get safety critical code correct, why trust them to get the less important code right? What if a crazy ex, stalker, or a corrupt government actor was able to determine and record your location and travel habits it real time? Sure maybe they can use your phone, but maybe the car is easier to exploit - this just offers another attack vector. "I've got nothing to hide," ok, give me all the logins to your social media and email accounts... oh, I thought you had nothing to hide?

2. What about vehicles with electronically controlled transmissions, throttles, brakes, etc - yes, like your average new Toyota. CO poisoning from a car started in your garage at night? Car disabled leaving you vulnerable to a physical attack in a parking lot? Car controls manipulated while driving, leading to an accident on the highway? These attacks have been demonstrated:

https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

Sure, a lot of this is conceptual for now, living in the realm of nerds and techies, but so was the internet, before it wasn't. The German Enigma was though to be unbreakable, until we did.

3. Once these exploits make their way in to the hands of script kiddies, and they will, there will be problems. People get new phones and computers every few years, cars stay on the road much, much longer so the security vulnerabilities are a way bigger deal. Would you dare to do some online banking with a Windows XP computer today? 95? 3.1? One if my cars is older than all of those. Fortunately it can't get a virus because it has no network connection.

4. Why be forced to maintain a system you aren't using? When the DCM fails and causes errors, it may need to be replaced, regardless of it being used my the owner or not. In many states you can't pass inspection if the CEL is on. Can't imagine what that costs. There is a already a TSB that alludes to this: T-TT-0442-17

5. What happens when the 3G network is no longer available? (remember TDMA phones, try using one now) Toyota may not be doing this yet, but what happens 10 years from now when your car won't complete its mandatory check in with the central server to make sure the software is up to date before it lets you drive away? What if it starts updating, hangs, and leaves you stranded? This can already happen with a Tesla:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/car-wont-start-software-update-failed.111866/

Furthermore, what if the state decides that since your vehicle doesn't have the up to date software, or didn't complete its OBD3 remote check in, it must be unsafe or polluting, so you aren't allowed to drive it anymore. Time to buy a new one!

I personally don't lose sleep over this stuff, but I also recognize the legitimate need for owners to understand it and be able to decide for themselves if the benefits of these systems outweigh the risks. This will all get much worse before it gets any better.
 
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