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Sorry to hear about what happened. Thank goodness it was just the car. Gives me a renewed sense of how important checking for deteriorated 110vac wiring to a block heater is 馃槓. Speaking of cold, and manual 'boxes... not really a great mix unless you take time to warm them up. It's actually hard on the box to shift gear when super cold. 2nd gear starts can ease matters a bit, I suppose. Shifts into 2nd are harsh feeling, often, til things heat up a bit.
If she鈥檚 stupid cold, I鈥檒l pump the clutch a bunch of times and row thru the gears a few times before leaving the driveway. Usually a 2nd to 1st does the trick. I actually had the clutch pedal fall to the floor the 1st winter I had it. Busy intersection to boot lol. Embarrassing. Seal went. Managed to get it going thou by picking up the peddle. Drove slow, got the finger by to many. Got myself to the dealer.
 

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If she鈥檚 stupid cold, I鈥檒l pump the clutch a bunch of times and row thru the gears a few times before leaving the driveway. Usually a 2nd to 1st does the trick. I actually had the clutch pedal fall to the floor the 1st winter I had it. Busy intersection to boot lol. Embarrassing. Seal went. Managed to get it going thou by picking up the peddle. Drove slow, got the finger by to many. Got myself to the dealer.
Are you inclined to replace it with another Corolla SE 6MT?
 

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It looks like the recall was issued in Dec 2021. If you have taken your car for service to a Toyota dealer after that date, they should have checked for recalls and do the repairs before returning the car to you, or at least inform you about it and schedule an appointment to correct it. Dealers are legally obligated to check for recalls every time you bring the car for service. If the dealer missed the recall while the car was with them, you may have a strong legal case to be reimbursed in full for the car and any other damage. Talk with your insurance company and an independent lawyer.
 

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Are you inclined to replace it with another Corolla SE 6MT?
Probably not.. if 23鈥檚 offered a manual, I鈥檇 think hard about it. Used prices still semi high. Dealership here has a used 2019 Camry se , low miles for 29.000 and a new 23 ,same spec 30.000. I鈥檇 be inclined to step up to the Camry se with the 8SPEED vs a 23 corolla xse with a cvt. Personal opinion.
 

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However much I like 6MT's, I think I'd strongly consider a car now with a conventional torque converter auto. But only if I can get:
i) range-select control (not full-manual control);
ii) Sport/Economy control; and
iii) Automated downshift rev-matching...

I don't care whether it has shift paddles or not, provided it has the above.
 

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It looks like the recall was issued in Dec 2021. If you have taken your car for service to a Toyota dealer after that date, they should have checked for recalls and do the repairs before returning the car to you, or at least inform you about it and schedule an appointment to correct it. Dealers are legally obligated to check for recalls every time you bring the car for service. If the dealer missed the recall while the car was with them, you may have a strong legal case to be reimbursed in full for the car and any other damage. Talk with your insurance company and an independent lawyer.
I also seen the older stuff you mention.. seems there鈥檚 updated recent stuff.. ill assume their adding new vehicles that can be effected to the list.. honestly 鈥 I need to just wait for the 鈥 cause @ origin. 鈥 expert. to determine if I鈥檓 victim of the recall.
 

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The 6mt really brings the car to life.. going to the cvt would have me feeling like If royally downgraded. So it鈥檚 either a Camry or another brand. im not really a fan of the 1.5 turbo Honda offers.
However much I like 6MT's, I think I'd strongly consider a car now with a conventional torque converter auto. But only if I can get:
i) range-select control (not full-manual control);
ii) Sport/Economy control; and
iii) Automated downshift rev-matching...

I don't care whether it has shift paddles or not, provided it has the above.
odds of getting a stick in my next car is unlikely. New GR / Type R is outta reach for me. 1.5 turbo don鈥檛 excite me鈥 and I鈥檓 sure the Si is also expensive and hard to get right now. Elantras 鈥渘鈥 looks haven鈥檛 grown on me. Kona N don鈥檛 look to shabby. And the Dct actually feels really good. Mother has a New Santa Fe with it. How reliable it will be thou?? Who knows. So probably looking at a Camry with the 8 speed. A 2.5. More in my price range. Not angry with the transmission given.
 

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馃槹馃槹 Sorry to hear about the fire, good that everybody is OK and the damage is confined. That must have been one heck of a shock to the system trying to fight the fire, and this really cold temp certainly is not helping. Your insurance should cover all the damages so that should not be a worry. The Camry looks nice in your photos, hope it works out for you.
Wondering how many people know about this block heater recall, this is the first I heard of it. A quick searched on Toyota.ca shows the recall info sitting right there. I put in my VIN and according to the search result, apparently my 2019 HB is not part of the recall. May be that's why I did not receive any notice from Toyota, but I'm surprised nobody posted anything about it either. Did anybody receive a notice from Toyota? Have you tried putting in your VIN to see if yours is/was part of the recall?
 

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I put in my VIN and according to the search result, apparently my 2019 HB is not part of the recall. May be that's why I did not receive any notice from Toyota, but I'm surprised nobody posted anything about it either. Did anybody receive a notice from Toyota? Have you tried putting in your VIN to see if yours is/was part of the recall?
VIN check won't show any posssible block heater recall as it is a dealer installed accessory.
 

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There does not seem to be a listing for that part number. However, PK5A408J09 is available for the 2019 Corolla hatchback in 1-2 business days.

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PK5A408J09 is on the recall list!
 

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My 2004 Corolla's block heater cord also deteriorated over time. The wiring rusts away, and I've had to splice a new length of cord with plug a few times on my 2019 Hatchback as well. The cord's insulation is weak too. Block heater's cord is however plugged into block heater and is replaceable.
I guess you block heater folks will have to add annual block heater cord inspection/maintenance/repair?

Sucks poorly insulated or less rugged wiring causes all this misery.

Happy to visit snow. Glad to not live in it.
 

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I guess you block heater folks will have to add annual block heater cord inspection/maintenance/repair?

Sucks poorly insulated or less rugged wiring causes all this misery.

Happy to visit snow. Glad to not live in it.
I only replaced the plug end twice... Now I'll just unplug the wire from the block heater, and remove wire without removing block heater. I'll inspect the wire and see about upgrading it myself.
 

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April 10, 2019

FORD MOTOR COMPANY ISSUES SAFETY RECALL FOR SELECT FORD F-150, SUPER DUTY TRUCKS WITH ENGINE BLOCK HEATER CABLES INSPECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A PREVIOUS RECALL

In inspected vehicles, the engine block heater cable splice connectors may have inadvertently become damaged during that service procedure. A damaged block heater cable can cause an inoperative engine block heater and/or tripping of household breakers or GFCI-equipped outlets or a resistive short, which can increase the risk of overheated or melted wiring and fire while the vehicle is parked and the block heater is plugged in.

A safety risk only exists while the vehicle is parked and the block heater cable is plugged into an electrical outlet. Customers are advised to not use the engine block heater cable.

Ford is aware of one fire in the United States and one in Canada that may relate to block heater usage following successful completion of recall 18S45. Ford is also aware of one report of fire in Canada in which the vehicle failed the 18S45 inspection procedure. Vehicle inspection after the fire was unable to determine whether that incident was related to this subject. Ford is not aware of any reports of accident or injury related to this issue.

Affected vehicles include:

  • 2015-19 Ford F-150 vehicles built at Dearborn Truck Plant, March 18, 2014 to Nov. 17, 2018 and at Kansas City Assembly Plant, Aug. 21, 2014 to Nov. 17, 2018
  • 2017-19 Ford F-Series Super Duty vehicles built at Ohio Assembly Plant, Feb. 5, 2016 to Nov. 17, 2018 and at Kentucky Truck Plant, Oct. 8, 2015 to Nov. 17, 2018
Dealers will disable the vehicle鈥檚 engine block heater cable by cutting off the plug end prongs and sealing the end cap with silicone sealant. Customers will be notified when an engine block replacement cable is available. The Ford reference number for this recall is 19S11.

Ford Motor Company Issues Safety Recall for Select Ford F-150, Super Duty Trucks with Engine Block Heater Cables Inspected in Accordance with a Previous Recall | Ford Media Center
 

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I would just buy them and put them in place of a freeze plug and plug them into 120vac outlet. Also had radiator heater, would put on the hose. No one ever had issues with those.
It's still a 120V cord in a hot engine bay, it needs to be checked periodically for safety sake as the same thing can happen. This isn't a function of the kind of heater or where it's stuck into the engine.
My best guess is they're using insulation that's not rated for continual high heat and it's breaking down with time or it's routed improperly and is being exposed to excessive heat. Cords have specs printed on or embossed into them. I'm not intimately familiar with extension cord and appliance cord ratings but I do know that the wrong temp rated insulation or wrong gauge wire is likely the base cause of these fires, poor quality materials in use.
 

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I've never been a fan of these cartridge style heaters. The heater on my old 2003 Corolla (PU140-00900 - 400 Watt) and my 2022 (PK5A4-08J09 - 200 Watt) are both on the recall list. The cartridges rely entirely on there being no air gaps between the cartridge and the block for efficient heat transfer, preventing the cartridge from overheating. Even if the cartridge is installed with sufficient grease to ensure there are no air gaps, over time gaps will develop as the grease dries out. Sooner or later you get to a point where the cartridge gets too hot and the cable fails at the connector. A cable that looks perfectly fine could start a fire quite quickly when the heater is plugged in if heat isn't being transferred to the block efficiently. I doubt Toyota will be able to solve this one.

The thing about failures like these is that as the cartridge gets hotter, the current drawn reduces. Neither a GFCI nor a lower rated fuse will mitigate this failure.
 
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