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As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
faith and trading unfairly.

This is from a newspaper article (
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
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Here is the take away from this article...

"Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
sold in their markets.

He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.

"One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."

It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
access to their markets.

Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
 
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IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.

Really simple....


"tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
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> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
> faith and trading unfairly.
>
> This is from a newspaper article (
> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
> )
>
> Here is the take away from this article...
>
> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
> sold in their markets.
>
> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>
> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>
> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
> access to their markets.
>
> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>
 
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If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in the
wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck that
had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.

"Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>
> Really simple....
>
>
> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>
>> This is from a newspaper article (
>> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
>> )
>>
>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>
>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>> sold in their markets.
>>
>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>
>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>
>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>> access to their markets.
>>
>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>

>
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Noon-Air wrote:
> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in the
> wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck that
> had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.


that's the irony of the op's dumb-ass trolling. japanese companies
manufacture quality vehicles here, using locally sourced components.
domestics manufacture crap, in mexico and wherever, and use chinese
components. and they over-charge. and they cut corners on dangerous
stuff like red rear turn signals. then they whine about losing market
share! must be run by sociopaths.

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> "Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%[email protected]
>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
>> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
>>> )
>>>
>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>
>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>>> sold in their markets.
>>>
>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>
>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>
>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>>> access to their markets.
>>>
>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>

>>

>
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"tizak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
> faith and trading unfairly.
>
> This is from a newspaper article (
> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038



<snip>

It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and reliably
for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN vehicles if they
met the criteria.

Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not ever.

It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips to the
repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to be
patriotic (putting everything else aside)....

It's sad. But people will buy what works.
 
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Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than buyers
that chose Toyotas LOL

mike




"Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>
> Really simple....
>
>
> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:37:07 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:

> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike


Tell you what, Mike. End of the year, go to a Toyota dealer and count the
leftovers.

Then go to a Ford, GM, or Chrysler dealer and do the same.

Shoot...in 2005 when I was working for a Toyota/Licoln-Mercury/Chrysler
dealer, we had PLENTY of 2004 Chryslers, a few 2004 Mercurys (we even had
a 2001 Grand Marquis!) a *bunch* of Lincoln LS's (which I thought was a
nice car...) and a handful of Jeeps.

Do I need to tell you how many Toyotas were left over?




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> "Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <tizak_4[email protected] com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>>
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:49 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:

> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in
> the wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck
> that had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.


Pay careful attention to the next Tundra commercial you hear...

"...ASSEMBLED in America..."





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> "Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%[email protected]
>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
>>> )
>>>
>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>
>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be sold
>>> in their markets.
>>>
>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>
>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>
>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>>> access to their markets.
>>>
>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:31:34 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:

> *snipping troll's extra NG cross-posts*
>
> "jim beam" <...
>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in
>>> the wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY*
>>> truck that had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the
>>> USA.

>>
>> that's the irony of the op's dumb-ass trolling. japanese companies
>> manufacture quality vehicles here, using locally sourced components.
>> domestics manufacture crap, in mexico and wherever, and use chinese
>> components. and they over-charge. and they cut corners on dangerous
>> stuff like red rear turn signals. then they whine about losing market
>> share! must be run by sociopaths.
>>
>>

> Nope, by fat cats who don't care about anyone but themselves.
>
> Natalie



Nope, by fat cats who don't care about anyone but SHAREHOLDERS.

>>>
>>> "Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:S1WIh.25171$S%[email protected]
>>>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>>>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>>>
>>>> Really simple....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>>>> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>>>>> sold in their markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax
>>>>> is audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are
>>>>> another way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>>>
>>>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by
>>>>> blocking access to their markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
 
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"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike


As I said in other posts, if the "Big 3" offered what I wanted, I would
have bought one of theirs instead of my Tundra.
 
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"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You really fell for that salesman's pitch it seems. The fact is the
> Tundra is only assembled in the US of mostly foreign
> parts and it costs thousands of dollars more to drive home than any
> similarly equipped GM, Ford or Dodge truck. That is why Ford sells 35% of
> the trucks sold in the US, GM 32% and Toyota a measly 5% ;)
>
>
> mike
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>
>



"costs thousands of dollars more to drive home than any similarly equipped
GM, Ford or Dodge truck."

The total cost to own anything is purchase price, maintenance costs and
residual value.
Very different than "cost to drive home"
 
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"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike
>
>
>
>


Using your line of reasoning, liberals have a better "product" than the
conservatives. "Proof" is that they were voted in as the majority.
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:

> This is GM's flagship sport scar



LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:04 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:

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> "pws" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> He said foreign car companies, not specifically Toyota. As it is, Toyota
>> is about to overtake GM on their own turf and Ford is spiraling down the
>> drain with record losses.
>>
>> I know a person who bought a new Corvette and kept it exactly one year.
>> It made numerous trips to the dealership for repairs, which were covered
>> under warranty, but kept the car in the shop for a full month out of the
>> 12 that he owned it. This is GM's flagship sport scar, and they can't
>> even get that right.
>>
>> Really, name just one car, (not truck), from the top 3 U.S. auto makers
>> that doesn't have a similar but much better foreign offering.

>
> I'll give you 2
> Mustang GT


Nissan 350Z

> Ford GT


Acura NSX
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:39:57 -0600, pws wrote:

> Hachiroku ��ロク wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:
>>
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>>>This is GM's flagship sport scar

>>
>>
>>
>> LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!

>
>
> Haha, I think so, it wasn't consciously intended. That is pretty good, I
> must admit, my best typo so far.
>
> Pat



LOL! <BSEG>!
 
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On Mar 11, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ロク <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:25:44 -0500, S.Lewis wrote:
>
> > "tizak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]
> >> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and Canadian
> >> government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad faith and
> >> trading unfairly.

>
> >> This is from a newspaper article (
> >>http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8dd....

>
> > <snip>

>
> > It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and
> > reliably for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN
> > vehicles if they met the criteria.

>
> > Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not ever.

>
> > It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips to
> > the repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.

>
> > Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to be
> > patriotic (putting everything else aside)....

>
> > It's sad. But people will buy what works.

>
> And if others in other countries can get what they want right at their own
> back door, why import junk?


I was looking to the future and reflecting on the past. Right now
although the US quality has improved it still lags the Japanese
manufacturers, so there is more work to do, but the quality gap has
closed, however, if it's the case that Asian car quality is that much
more superior what are the Asian Manufacturers afraid of? This is just
one example, there are other industries that are effected in exactly
the same way, ie: unfair trading behaviour.

They have a huge advantage if they can export with impunity while
denying the same access to the US manufacturers. Why aren't more
people outraged?

I think part of the problem is the fact that the American
manufacturers build for the North American market while the Asian and
Europeans build for the world, and on top of that the US manufacturers
have ceded large parts of the market due to lax and incompetent
management, through relying on Suv's and trucks, a very complacent
approach that only now is coming to fruition with massive loss of
market share for the US manufacturers as both the Suv and truck
markets have started to go south.

Also while relying on bulk sales to the car leasing companies look
good as far a volume is concerned they represent little in profit per
car, again a complacent approach that is a result and responsibility
of US auto makers management, I don't think you can blame the unions,
as I understand it the Japanese manufactures pay the same compensation
to their non-unionized members as the unionized US car manufacturer's
workers.
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:37:07 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
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>Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
>that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than buyers
>that chose Toyotas LOL
>
>mike


Hey, Mike, maybe you haven't heard but since you were last posting
here Ford is flirting with becoming the #4 automaker. It is pretty
much a foregone conclusion that they will be passed by Toyota next
year if not this year.

GM still outsells Toyota but their market share has been eroding for
the last 30 years. Toyota's share is increasing rapidly as, to a
lesser extent, is Honda's. If recent trends were to continue for the
next four years, the 2010 sales leaders would be Toyota, GM,
Daimler-chrysler, Honda, Ford in that order.



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>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
>> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <[email protected] com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>

>
 
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:44:18 -0700, tizak wrote:

> On Mar 11, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ロク <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:25:44 -0500, S.Lewis wrote:
>>
>> > "tizak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]
>> >> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>> >> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>> >> faith and trading unfairly.

>>
>> >> This is from a newspaper article (
>> >>http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8dd...

>>
>> > <snip>

>>
>> > It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and
>> > reliably for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN
>> > vehicles if they met the criteria.

>>
>> > Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not
>> > ever.

>>
>> > It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips
>> > to the repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.

>>
>> > Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to
>> > be patriotic (putting everything else aside)....

>>
>> > It's sad. But people will buy what works.

>>
>> And if others in other countries can get what they want right at their
>> own back door, why import junk?

>
> I was looking to the future and reflecting on the past. Right now although
> the US quality has improved it still lags the Japanese manufacturers, so
> there is more work to do, but the quality gap has closed, however, if it's
> the case that Asian car quality is that much more superior what are the
> Asian Manufacturers afraid of? This is just one example, there are other
> industries that are effected in exactly the same way, ie: unfair trading
> behaviour.
>
> They have a huge advantage if they can export with impunity while denying
> the same access to the US manufacturers. Why aren't more people outraged?
>
> I think part of the problem is the fact that the American manufacturers
> build for the North American market while the Asian and Europeans build
> for the world, and on top of that the US manufacturers have ceded large
> parts of the market due to lax and incompetent management, through relying
> on Suv's and trucks, a very complacent approach that only now is coming to
> fruition with massive loss of market share for the US manufacturers as
> both the Suv and truck markets have started to go south.
>
> Also while relying on bulk sales to the car leasing companies look good as
> far a volume is concerned they represent little in profit per car, again a
> complacent approach that is a result and responsibility of US auto makers
> management, I don't think you can blame the unions, as I understand it the
> Japanese manufactures pay the same compensation to their non-unionized
> members as the unionized US car manufacturer's workers.




Couldn't have said it better myself! (or, why didn't I think of that! ;)
But I think you really nailed the situation down.

The only thing I will add is, while quality may be closing, I think the
Japanese are starting to make cars more cheaply so as to increase profits.
My Scion sounds downright tinny! The manufacturing seems to be good, and
the parts good, but I notice more clips and fewer bolts, and the like.

And, I think the Americans have come quite a ways up! I had a customer who
gave me a '92 Grand Voyager and a '94 Chrysler LHS. The Voyager had some
'problems'...but just kept running and running, and the LHS was a NICE
CAR! Had 160,000 when I traded it for the Scion, which I now see as a
mistake. I should have held out for $1,000, or just kept it! It was well
worth keeping. I kept the van because it was easier to work on, and I was
using it a lot, but I sure do miss that LHS...
 
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> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:44:18 -0700, tizak wrote:
>
>> On Mar 11, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ???? <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:25:44 -0500, S.Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> > "tizak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]
>>> >> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> >> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> >> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>> >> This is from a newspaper article (
>>> >>http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8dd...
>>>
>>> > <snip>
>>>
>>> > It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and
>>> > reliably for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN
>>> > vehicles if they met the criteria.
>>>
>>> > Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not
>>> > ever.
>>>
>>> > It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips
>>> > to the repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.
>>>
>>> > Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to
>>> > be patriotic (putting everything else aside)....
>>>
>>> > It's sad. But people will buy what works.
>>>
>>> And if others in other countries can get what they want right at their
>>> own back door, why import junk?

>>
>> I was looking to the future and reflecting on the past. Right now
>> although
>> the US quality has improved it still lags the Japanese manufacturers, so
>> there is more work to do, but the quality gap has closed, however, if
>> it's
>> the case that Asian car quality is that much more superior what are the
>> Asian Manufacturers afraid of? This is just one example, there are other
>> industries that are effected in exactly the same way, ie: unfair trading
>> behaviour.
>>
>> They have a huge advantage if they can export with impunity while denying
>> the same access to the US manufacturers. Why aren't more people outraged?
>>
>> I think part of the problem is the fact that the American manufacturers
>> build for the North American market while the Asian and Europeans build
>> for the world, and on top of that the US manufacturers have ceded large
>> parts of the market due to lax and incompetent management, through
>> relying
>> on Suv's and trucks, a very complacent approach that only now is coming
>> to
>> fruition with massive loss of market share for the US manufacturers as
>> both the Suv and truck markets have started to go south.
>>
>> Also while relying on bulk sales to the car leasing companies look good
>> as
>> far a volume is concerned they represent little in profit per car, again
>> a
>> complacent approach that is a result and responsibility of US auto makers
>> management, I don't think you can blame the unions, as I understand it
>> the
>> Japanese manufactures pay the same compensation to their non-unionized
>> members as the unionized US car manufacturer's workers.

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>
> Couldn't have said it better myself! (or, why didn't I think of that! ;)
> But I think you really nailed the situation down.
>
> The only thing I will add is, while quality may be closing, I think the
> Japanese are starting to make cars more cheaply so as to increase profits.
> My Scion sounds downright tinny! The manufacturing seems to be good, and
> the parts good, but I notice more clips and fewer bolts, and the like.
>
> And, I think the Americans have come quite a ways up! I had a customer who
> gave me a '92 Grand Voyager and a '94 Chrysler LHS. The Voyager had some
> 'problems'...but just kept running and running, and the LHS was a NICE
> CAR! Had 160,000 when I traded it for the Scion, which I now see as a
> mistake. I should have held out for $1,000, or just kept it! It was well
> worth keeping. I kept the van because it was easier to work on, and I was
> using it a lot, but I sure do miss that LHS...



I think that car quality is a moving target, as the Big 2.5 automaker's
quality inproves, so will the imports, I hope.
Playing catch up like the Big 2.5 are trying to do is an uphill battle.





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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:37:07 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
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>Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
>that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than buyers
>that chose Toyotas LOL
>

Just a random question. I wonder how the Detroit 3 would be doing in
the domestic market if you took rental cars out of the mix? I remember
back when the Taurus was supposedly the top selling model in the US,
It turned out to be because one of the rental companies bought them by
the boatload. Without those sales, the Honda Accord would have been
the top seller.


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