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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the job
easier??
 
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Discussion Starter · #2 ·
You should not have to remove the starter. That fuel filter is a real bear
to change. We did ours with just open end wrenches, patience and a few
bloody knuckles. Good luck. Scott
 
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Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Removing starter makes it a little more accessible -- but just a little.
Make sure you use a flare wrench on the fuel line nut as they are on tight
and are easily rounded off.

zonie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> You should not have to remove the starter. That fuel filter is a real bear
> to change. We did ours with just open end wrenches, patience and a few
> bloody knuckles. Good luck. Scott
>
 
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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
remove the left front tire

"Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
: What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
: can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
: under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the job
: easier??
:
:
 
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Discussion Starter · #5 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
> can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
> under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the job
> easier??


If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
reach for a reason, or so I'm told.
 
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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Nonsense. If that's the case, why has it since been moved on newer Toyotas?

I changed mine at 70,000 miles (actually firestone did it for me while they were aligning the vehicle). you should have seen the
crap that poured out of the old one. it only took them an hour to do, which was less time than I could manage, plus I admit: let
them deal with the hassle of changing it.


"Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
: In article <[email protected]>,
: "Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: > What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
: > can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
: > under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the job
: > easier??
:
: If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
: enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
: reach for a reason, or so I'm told.
 
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nonsense. If that's the case, why has it since been moved on newer Toyotas?
>
> I changed mine at 70,000 miles (actually firestone did it for me while they
> were aligning the vehicle). you should have seen the
> crap that poured out of the old one. it only took them an hour to do, which
> was less time than I could manage, plus I admit: let
> them deal with the hassle of changing it.
>
>
> "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : "Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:
> :
> : > What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
> : > can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
> : > under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the
> : > job
> : > easier??
> :
> : If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
> : enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
> : reach for a reason, or so I'm told.


Check your manual--what's the recommended interval for changing the fuel
filter? IIRC from my 97 Tacoma, there isn't one.

I had mine changed at about 70K as well, but I think it was a waste of
money.

Google this newsgroup about fuel filter changes on Toyota--there was a
thread a few years ago about Toyota intentionally making them hard to
access so people wouldn't change them needlessly.
 
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Discussion Starter · #8 ·
If I relied on my owner's manual recommendations, my truck never would have made it this far with so few problems. It's a simple
cartridge filter that Toyota placed in a bad location, to which no one answered my original question as to why it was then later
relocated.

If it's not meant to be regularly replaced, why are there so many aftermarket filters available?????????????????

Finally, my dealer (Bell Road Toyota) said to change it by 60,000 miles.


"Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
: In article <[email protected]>,
: "Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: > Nonsense. If that's the case, why has it since been moved on newer Toyotas?
: >
: > I changed mine at 70,000 miles (actually firestone did it for me while they
: > were aligning the vehicle). you should have seen the
: > crap that poured out of the old one. it only took them an hour to do, which
: > was less time than I could manage, plus I admit: let
: > them deal with the hassle of changing it.
: >
: >
: > "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:[email protected]
: > : In article <[email protected]>,
: > : "Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:
: > :
: > : > What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder? You
: > : > can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since it is
: > : > under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make the
: > : > job
: > : > easier??
: > :
: > : If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
: > : enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
: > : reach for a reason, or so I'm told.
:
: Check your manual--what's the recommended interval for changing the fuel
: filter? IIRC from my 97 Tacoma, there isn't one.
:
: I had mine changed at about 70K as well, but I think it was a waste of
: money.
:
: Google this newsgroup about fuel filter changes on Toyota--there was a
: thread a few years ago about Toyota intentionally making them hard to
: access so people wouldn't change them needlessly.
 
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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> If I relied on my owner's manual recommendations, my truck never would have
> made it this far with so few problems. It's a simple
> cartridge filter that Toyota placed in a bad location, to which no one
> answered my original question as to why it was then later
> relocated.


Dunno---why did they move it from under the hood to on the frame when
they were still carburated 22R's?

We do agree that the owner's manual recommended intervals are a bit
long, but if the Toyota has a recommendation of 'never' then even it you
change at half the recommended interval that's still 'never'.
>
> If it's not meant to be regularly replaced, why are there so many aftermarket
> filters available?????????????????


Because there are people that are willing to buy them????????????????
>
> Finally, my dealer (Bell Road Toyota) said to change it by 60,000 miles.


And I'll bet they wanted to be the ones you hired to do it.

Give this a read:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/browse_frm/thread/3c45146
ec7516bd/d5fa405710a871e1?lnk=st&q=toyota+fuel+filter+replacement+surface
+area&rnum=1&hl=en#d5fa405710a871e1

>
>
> "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : "Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:
> :
> : > Nonsense. If that's the case, why has it since been moved on newer
> : > Toyotas?
> : >
> : > I changed mine at 70,000 miles (actually firestone did it for me while
> : > they
> : > were aligning the vehicle). you should have seen the
> : > crap that poured out of the old one. it only took them an hour to do,
> : > which
> : > was less time than I could manage, plus I admit: let
> : > them deal with the hassle of changing it.
> : >
> : >
> : > "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : > news:[email protected]
> : > : In article <[email protected]>,
> : > : "Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:
> : > :
> : > : > What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder?
> : > : > You
> : > : > can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since
> : > : > it is
> : > : > under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make
> : > : > the
> : > : > job
> : > : > easier??
> : > :
> : > : If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
> : > : enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
> : > : reach for a reason, or so I'm told.
> :
> : Check your manual--what's the recommended interval for changing the fuel
> : filter? IIRC from my 97 Tacoma, there isn't one.
> :
> : I had mine changed at about 70K as well, but I think it was a waste of
> : money.
> :
> : Google this newsgroup about fuel filter changes on Toyota--there was a
> : thread a few years ago about Toyota intentionally making them hard to
> : access so people wouldn't change them needlessly.
 
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Discussion Starter · #10 ·
:
: Dunno---why did they move it from under the hood to on the frame when
: they were still carburated 22R's?

An inspired stroke of bad engineering contaminated by Toyota's association with Generally Mediocre (GM)? Why did my Toyota have a
GM "green (but blind) eye" battery in it (which was the first component to fail after only a few month's service)?

:
: We do agree that the owner's manual recommended intervals are a bit
: long, but if the Toyota has a recommendation of 'never' then even it you
: change at half the recommended interval that's still 'never'.
: >
: > If it's not meant to be regularly replaced, why are there so many aftermarket
: > filters available?????????????????
:
: Because there are people that are willing to buy them????????????????

Any part that carries the volume of fluid that a fuel filter does is highly prone to failure. Now what exactly does "lifetime"
mean? The life of the vehicle or the life of the filter? The lifetime of a butterfly is grossly different than the life of a
tortoise.....


: >
: > Finally, my dealer (Bell Road Toyota) said to change it by 60,000 miles.
:
: And I'll bet they wanted to be the ones you hired to do it.
:
Can't argue there; just like they did when my crap and bunion bushings went bad. Whoops! New $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead
of $15 worth of bushings. Same when inner tie rods went bad. Whoops! New $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead of new tie
rods.... Wrong on both counts! Two things I try to avoid in life: more pastries (have you seen my picture lately?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove ) and dealing with the dealer.


: Give this a read:
: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/browse_frm/thread/3c45146
: ec7516bd/d5fa405710a871e1?lnk=st&q=toyota+fuel+filter+replacement+surface
: +area&rnum=1&hl=en#d5fa405710a871e1
:
: >
: >
: > "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:sean_elkins-195469[email protected]
: > : In article <[email protected]>,
: > : "Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:
: > :
: > : > Nonsense. If that's the case, why has it since been moved on newer
: > : > Toyotas?
: > : >
: > : > I changed mine at 70,000 miles (actually firestone did it for me while
: > : > they
: > : > were aligning the vehicle). you should have seen the
: > : > crap that poured out of the old one. it only took them an hour to do,
: > : > which
: > : > was less time than I could manage, plus I admit: let
: > : > them deal with the hassle of changing it.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > "Sean Elkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > : > news:[email protected]
: > : > : In article <[email protected]>,
: > : > : "Stephen Lascari" <[email protected]> wrote:
: > : > :
: > : > : > What involved in changing the fuel filter on a Tacoma 2002/4cylinder?
: > : > : > You
: > : > : > can not see the rear fuel line(from the fuel tank) connection since
: > : > : > it is
: > : > : > under the intake manifold. Does removing the starter motor help make
: > : > : > the
: > : > : > job
: > : > : > easier??
: > : > :
: > : > : If it isn't clogged, don't change it. They designed the thing with
: > : > : enough surface area to never need replacement. They made it hard to
: > : > : reach for a reason, or so I'm told.
: > :
: > : Check your manual--what's the recommended interval for changing the fuel
: > : filter? IIRC from my 97 Tacoma, there isn't one.
: > :
: > : I had mine changed at about 70K as well, but I think it was a waste of
: > : money.
: > :
: > : Google this newsgroup about fuel filter changes on Toyota--there was a
: > : thread a few years ago about Toyota intentionally making them hard to
: > : access so people wouldn't change them needlessly.
 
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Discussion Starter · #11 ·
In article <[email protected]>,
"Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> :
> : Dunno---why did they move it from under the hood to on the frame when
> : they were still carburated 22R's?
>
> An inspired stroke of bad engineering contaminated by Toyota's association
> with Generally Mediocre (GM)? Why did my Toyota have a
> GM "green (but blind) eye" battery in it (which was the first component to
> fail after only a few month's service)?
>
> :
> : We do agree that the owner's manual recommended intervals are a bit
> : long, but if the Toyota has a recommendation of 'never' then even it you
> : change at half the recommended interval that's still 'never'.
> : >
> : > If it's not meant to be regularly replaced, why are there so many
> : > aftermarket
> : > filters available?????????????????
> :
> : Because there are people that are willing to buy them????????????????
>
> Any part that carries the volume of fluid that a fuel filter does is highly
> prone to failure. Now what exactly does "lifetime"
> mean? The life of the vehicle or the life of the filter? The lifetime of a
> butterfly is grossly different than the life of a
> tortoise.....
>
>
> : >
> : > Finally, my dealer (Bell Road Toyota) said to change it by 60,000 miles.
> :
> : And I'll bet they wanted to be the ones you hired to do it.
> :
> Can't argue there; just like they did when my crap and bunion bushings went
> bad. Whoops! New $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead
> of $15 worth of bushings. Same when inner tie rods went bad. Whoops! New
> $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead of new tie
> rods.... Wrong on both counts! Two things I try to avoid in life: more
> pastries (have you seen my picture lately?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove ) and dealing with the dealer.
>
>
> : Give this a read:
> : http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/browse_frm/thread/3c45146
> : ec7516bd/d5fa405710a871e1?lnk=st&q=toyota+fuel+filter+replacement+surface
> : +area&rnum=1&hl=en#d5fa405710a871e1
> :



Did you read the post referenced above? It makes an interesting read,
even if you ultimately reject the reasoning behind it.
 
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Discussion Starter · #12 ·
Karl Rove wrote:
snip
> GM "green (but blind) eye" battery in it (which was the first
> component to fail after only a few month's service)?


Do only GM batteries fail? Do only GM batteries fail in a short time?

>>> If it's not meant to be regularly replaced, why are there so many
>>> aftermarket filters available?????????????????

>>
>> Because there are people that are willing to buy them????????????????


True, they aren't willing to listen to experience and have to have their own
way, no matter what.
"Damn the consequences, fire the torpedo!"

> Any part that carries the volume of fluid that a fuel filter does is
> highly prone to failure. Now what exactly does "lifetime" mean? The
> life of the vehicle or the life of the filter? The lifetime of a
> butterfly is grossly different than the life of a tortoise.....


And the life of a filter is different than a butterfly, so on't use one as a
filter, it won't last. Most recommendations are the filter will last the
life of the car.

>>> Finally, my dealer (Bell Road Toyota) said to change it by 60,000
>>> miles.

>>
>> And I'll bet they wanted to be the ones you hired to do it.
>>

> Can't argue there; just like they did when my crap and bunion
> bushings went bad. Whoops! New $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead
> of $15 worth of bushings. Same when inner tie rods went bad. Whoops!
> New $1500 ("remanufactured") rack instead of new tie rods....


Why didn't you get involved with the repairs before spending the $3000
instead of dissing them because you spent your money?

>Wrong
> on both counts! Two things I try to avoid in life: more pastries
> (have you seen my picture lately?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove ) and dealing with the
> dealer.


Your choice, yet common knowledge is that many times (some, not all) dealers
are cheaper and have better service available due to the fact that they only
work on one brand, know it thoroughly and have access to any information
available on it.
Read your Wiki, will restrain myself form making hasty generalizations and
negative comments about politicians.

>> Give this a read:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.toyota/browse_frm/thread/3c45146
>> ec7516bd/d5fa405710a871e1?lnk=st&q=toyota+fuel+filter+replacement+surface
>> +area&rnum=1&hl=en#d5fa405710a871e1


Better link:
http://tinyurl.com/8wc4l
 
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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
:
: Do only GM batteries fail? Do only GM batteries fail in a short time?

You get no points here


: And the life of a filter is different than a butterfly, so on't use one as a
: filter, it won't last. Most recommendations are the filter will last the
: life of the car.

"Most" ?? WTF?? I don't think so. No points here either



:
: Why didn't you get involved with the repairs before spending the $3000
: instead of dissing them because you spent your money?

Wrong. I didn;t spend $3000. Apparently your reading skills are at grade one level; or you live in a red state

:
: >Wrong
: > on both counts! Two things I try to avoid in life: more pastries
: > (have you seen my picture lately?
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove ) and dealing with the
: > dealer.
:
: Your choice, yet common knowledge is that many times (some, not all) dealers
: are cheaper and have better service available due to the fact that they only
: work on one brand, know it thoroughly and have access to any information
: available on it.
: Read your Wiki, will restrain myself form making hasty generalizations and
: negative comments about politicians.

Go back to square one and learn how to read Usenet posts. Then cite some sources that qualify as "Most"
 
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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Karl Rove wrote:
>> Do only GM batteries fail? Do only GM batteries fail in a short time?

>
> You get no points here


Don't need your points.

> Go back to square one and learn how to read Usenet posts. Then cite
> some sources that qualify as "Most"


I can read, that's what I told you I did to your Wiki, remember?
Do your own googling for "most", whatever that means to you.
 
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Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Must be on drugs; sure as hell can't read

"davidj92" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:eek:[email protected]
: Karl Rove wrote:
: >> Do only GM batteries fail? Do only GM batteries fail in a short time?
: >
: > You get no points here
:
: Don't need your points.
:
: > Go back to square one and learn how to read Usenet posts. Then cite
: > some sources that qualify as "Most"
:
: I can read, that's what I told you I did to your Wiki, remember?
: Do your own googling for "most", whatever that means to you.
:
:
 
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Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Karl Rove wrote:
> Must be on drugs; sure as hell can't read
>

Which you try to prove by top-posting. If there's somethng specific you feel
I haven't read that's pertinant then let me know instead of reverting to
school-boy tactits and saying "can't read".
If you want to converse without this name calling and personal attacks then
that can happen too.
davidj92
 
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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Dude, you're the one who acts like a fucking baby. You can't read for shit. You already proved that by your comments regarding the
r&p and tie rods. And anyone who posts on the bottom of the pile is a total idiot. Like who wants to sift through all the old shit
to get to the new.... Further, what fucking difference does it make? You wanna run a fucking fuel filter for 500,000 miles, fine.
You're the kind of person repair shops love. Speaking or pertinent, your whole conversation has amounted to little more than white
noise.


"davidj92" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
: Karl Rove wrote:
: > Must be on drugs; sure as hell can't read
: >
: Which you try to prove by top-posting. If there's somethng specific you feel
: I haven't read that's pertinant then let me know instead of reverting to
: school-boy tactits and saying "can't read".
: If you want to converse without this name calling and personal attacks then
: that can happen too.
: davidj92
:
:
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
"Karl Rove" <[email protected]> wrote

>
> Why did my Toyota have a
>GM "green (but blind) eye" battery in it (which was the first
>component to fail after only a few month's service)?



I'm not a big fan of Delco batteries but, I got 70 months
from the original battery on my '00 Taco. I could tell it
was going away since last winter, but I decided to see
how long it would last. 2 less starts and I'd been stuck in
NO with Katrina.
--
"frito"
Fred Snetzer
'01 FLHT, '97 M2
TOMKAT
IBA #10549 BS #162
http://users.ipa.net/~frito/
http://eddiekieger.com/
 
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Discussion Starter · #19 ·
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:45:33 GMT, "frito" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Karl Rove" wrote


>> Why did my Toyota have a
>>GM "green (but blind) eye" battery in it (which was the first
>>component to fail after only a few month's service)?

>
>I'm not a big fan of Delco batteries but, I got 70 months
>from the original battery on my '00 Taco. I could tell it
>was going away since last winter, but I decided to see
>how long it would last. 2 less starts and I'd been stuck in
>NO with Katrina.


I'll push car batteries to failure too - but I have this nasty habit
of doing dual-battery conversions in my personal vehicles, so I'm not
stuck for more than a few minutes.

Been There, Done That, Don't feel like doing it again, but thanks
anyways for the offer... ^_^

And the LandCruiser has an "Emergency Start" switch on the dashboard
that pops a starter solenoid on #1/0 cable between the batteries.
Instant self jump start from the drivers seat without opening the
hood... ;-P (Still have to do that to the Work Truck.)

Riding an old car battery to failure without a backup plan in place
(like one of those "Jump Pack" batteries in the trunk) is just plain
stupid - change the battery at the first hint of impending doom. As
in "Gee! It almost didn't start that time..."

You can stand there waving jumper cables, but if nobody stops...

--<< Bruce >>--

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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