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i was reading in Car And Driver, that Honda is suing a Chinese auto maker for producing "an unauthorized clone of the CR-V named the Rabo S-RV"...

so i decided to look it up, and i didnt find many pics (i couldnt search the sites; i cant read chinese)...

but on an english site (with no pics, dumbasses...:rolleyes: ) i saw a lawsuit that Toyota filed on the Geely Group, for using a VERY similar logo...



so i look at the Geely Groups's sight, and stumbled upon a pic of a car, named the "Beauty Leopard"...




doesnt look half bad, until i saw the rear...




yes my friends, they appear to be EXACT copies of the Supra's taillights...

i checked the engine and found out it's POWERED by a Toyota engine...


Model: Beauty leopard
Engine: TOYOTA-8A
Power: [email protected]
Torque: [email protected]
Transmission: Manual 5-speeds same-step type
Max speed: 145km/h
Displacement: 1342ml
Length*width*height: 4180mm*1635mm*1415mm
Max total mass: 1265kg
Fuel consumption: <=5L/100km
Wheel distance (front/rear): 1390mm/1370mm
Axle distance: 2440mm
Tire:
175/65R14
Suspension: 4-wheel separate suspension
Parking brake: Hydraulic double pipes vacuum help
Fuel box capacity: 55L


so why is Toyota suing someone that they're supplying engines for..?:dunno:

anyway, my point is, most of the cars here are blatant rip offs..

http://www.federalgroupusa.com/index_2.htm

and if these companies want to stay in business, they should at LEAST try to use body panels that dont look JUST like cars already being sold...

p.s. how well are these things selling, and how safe are they?

how's the quality..?

will these guys take over like Toyota did..?

i hope not..:D
 

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i think toyota is suing the company for having a logo similar to toyota, not for using the engine or lights. car companies sell engines to other companies, but not logos. it's all trademark stuff.
 

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Ah, here it goes, not the same company unless they changed their names, but here is the thread.

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22846

Edit: after re-reading the old thread, this is the same company, they use to be China Motors and orginally sold watches and then into ripped-off Yotas
 

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Wow, I would trade my Toyota (with the best managed factories the world has even known, there are books on it) for a car that is produced in small numbers and costs 1/3 that of my car :lol:

I would love to actually drive one and see what they were able to pull off.
 

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Toyota Loses Trademark Suit

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BEIJING Toyota Motor on Monday lost a trademark lawsuit against Geely Group, China's biggest private carmaker, in a case that had been closely watched by overseas companies concerned about protecting their designs and logos in the mainland market.
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Toyota is "very disappointed" by the verdict after presenting evidence to a Beijing court showing that Geely's Merrie Cars had a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and trunk that resembled Toyota's "T" icon, said Shi Yusheng, a lawyer for Toyota.
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Toyota's China spokeswoman said the company would weigh its next step.
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"We regret that our viewpoint was not accepted by the court," the spokeswoman, Yang Hongjian, said in a written response to questions from Bloomberg. "We will decide how to proceed after a carefully analysis of the verdict."
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The court decision came a setback for other automakers, including General Motors, which has said it is "investigating" whether Chery Automobile's QQ minicar resembles the Chevrolet Spark.
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Peter So, head of China research at ING Groep, said such cases were difficult for plaintiffs.
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"Copyright lawsuits aren't easy to win, and that is not just in China," So said. "Even with the ruling today, do foreign automakers have a choice? Can they choose not to come to China?"
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Wang Zhong, a lawyer for Geely, called the verdict "fair" and "objective."
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Geely, a 17-year-old company based in the eastern province of Zhejiang, started out as a maker of refrigerator parts and switched to making cars in 1999. It has produced about 70,000 passenger cars since then and seeks to make 100,000 cars this year, tripling that number to 300,000 by 2005.
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Despite the verdict, Toyota, Japan's largest automaker and the world's third-biggest carmaker, plans to invest $2.5 billion in China by 2010.
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Toyota was ordered to pay 80,360 yuan, or $9,700, in court costs by the Beijing Intermediate Court. If the company wants to appeal the verdict, it must do so within 30 days, the court said.
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Shi, the Toyota lawyer, added: "The main judgment is not in line with the facts that we provided to the court. As long as there is the possibility that consumers can mistake Geely's logo for Toyota's trademark, it should be taken as a violation of Toyota's rights."
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Overseas carmakers are stepping up efforts to protect their designs and trademarks in China, where vehicle sales are forecast to increase by at least a third this year, according to government estimates.
.
"There have been consistent rumors that QQ looks like the Spark and we are in the process of investigating it," the chairman of General Motors China, Phil Murtaugh, said last week.
.
Chery's marketing manager, Sun Yong, said in April that the company had "adapted" successful designs from abroad to help it bolster sales in China.
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The U.S. deputy trade representative, Josette Shiner, said last week that China had pledged to adopt a "zero-tolerance" policy toward piracy of trademarks and intellectual property.
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Other foreign carmakers in China include Nissan Motor. "This is not good for the protection of intellectual property rights in China," said Katsumi Nakamura, president of Dongfeng Motor, Nissan's venture in China.
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Bloomberg News

< < Back to Start of Article BEIJING Toyota Motor on Monday lost a trademark lawsuit against Geely Group, China's biggest private carmaker, in a case that had been closely watched by overseas companies concerned about protecting their designs and logos in the mainland market.
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Toyota is "very disappointed" by the verdict after presenting evidence to a Beijing court showing that Geely's Merrie Cars had a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and trunk that resembled Toyota's "T" icon, said Shi Yusheng, a lawyer for Toyota.
.
Toyota's China spokeswoman said the company would weigh its next step.
.
"We regret that our viewpoint was not accepted by the court," the spokeswoman, Yang Hongjian, said in a written response to questions from Bloomberg. "We will decide how to proceed after a carefully analysis of the verdict."
.
The court decision came a setback for other automakers, including General Motors, which has said it is "investigating" whether Chery Automobile's QQ minicar resembles the Chevrolet Spark.
.
Peter So, head of China research at ING Groep, said such cases were difficult for plaintiffs.
.
"Copyright lawsuits aren't easy to win, and that is not just in China," So said. "Even with the ruling today, do foreign automakers have a choice? Can they choose not to come to China?"
.
Wang Zhong, a lawyer for Geely, called the verdict "fair" and "objective."
.
Geely, a 17-year-old company based in the eastern province of Zhejiang, started out as a maker of refrigerator parts and switched to making cars in 1999. It has produced about 70,000 passenger cars since then and seeks to make 100,000 cars this year, tripling that number to 300,000 by 2005.
.
Despite the verdict, Toyota, Japan's largest automaker and the world's third-biggest carmaker, plans to invest $2.5 billion in China by 2010.
.
Toyota was ordered to pay 80,360 yuan, or $9,700, in court costs by the Beijing Intermediate Court. If the company wants to appeal the verdict, it must do so within 30 days, the court said.
.
Shi, the Toyota lawyer, added: "The main judgment is not in line with the facts that we provided to the court. As long as there is the possibility that consumers can mistake Geely's logo for Toyota's trademark, it should be taken as a violation of Toyota's rights."
.
Overseas carmakers are stepping up efforts to protect their designs and trademarks in China, where vehicle sales are forecast to increase by at least a third this year, according to government estimates.
.
"There have been consistent rumors that QQ looks like the Spark and we are in the process of investigating it," the chairman of General Motors China, Phil Murtaugh, said last week.
.
Chery's marketing manager, Sun Yong, said in April that the company had "adapted" successful designs from abroad to help it bolster sales in China.
.
The U.S. deputy trade representative, Josette Shiner, said last week that China had pledged to adopt a "zero-tolerance" policy toward piracy of trademarks and intellectual property.
.
Other foreign carmakers in China include Nissan Motor. "This is not good for the protection of intellectual property rights in China," said Katsumi Nakamura, president of Dongfeng Motor, Nissan's venture in China.
.
Bloomberg News BEIJING Toyota Motor on Monday lost a trademark lawsuit against Geely Group, China's biggest private carmaker, in a case that had been closely watched by overseas companies concerned about protecting their designs and logos in the mainland market.
.
Toyota is "very disappointed" by the verdict after presenting evidence to a Beijing court showing that Geely's Merrie Cars had a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and trunk that resembled Toyota's "T" icon, said Shi Yusheng, a lawyer for Toyota.
.
Toyota's China spokeswoman said the company would weigh its next step.
.
"We regret that our viewpoint was not accepted by the court," the spokeswoman, Yang Hongjian, said in a written response to questions from Bloomberg. "We will decide how to proceed after a carefully analysis of the verdict."
.
The court decision came a setback for other automakers, including General Motors, which has said it is "investigating" whether Chery Automobile's QQ minicar resembles the Chevrolet Spark.
.
Peter So, head of China research at ING Groep, said such cases were difficult for plaintiffs.
.
"Copyright lawsuits aren't easy to win, and that is not just in China," So said. "Even with the ruling today, do foreign automakers have a choice? Can they choose not to come to China?"
.
Wang Zhong, a lawyer for Geely, called the verdict "fair" and "objective."
.
Geely, a 17-year-old company based in the eastern province of Zhejiang, started out as a maker of refrigerator parts and switched to making cars in 1999. It has produced about 70,000 passenger cars since then and seeks to make 100,000 cars this year, tripling that number to 300,000 by 2005.
.
Despite the verdict, Toyota, Japan's largest automaker and the world's third-biggest carmaker, plans to invest $2.5 billion in China by 2010.
.
Toyota was ordered to pay 80,360 yuan, or $9,700, in court costs by the Beijing Intermediate Court. If the company wants to appeal the verdict, it must do so within 30 days, the court said.
.
Shi, the Toyota lawyer, added: "The main judgment is not in line with the facts that we provided to the court. As long as there is the possibility that consumers can mistake Geely's logo for Toyota's trademark, it should be taken as a violation of Toyota's rights."
.
Overseas carmakers are stepping up efforts to protect their designs and trademarks in China, where vehicle sales are forecast to increase by at least a third this year, according to government estimates.
.
"There have been consistent rumors that QQ looks like the Spark and we are in the process of investigating it," the chairman of General Motors China, Phil Murtaugh, said last week.
.
Chery's marketing manager, Sun Yong, said in April that the company had "adapted" successful designs from abroad to help it bolster sales in China.
.
The U.S. deputy trade representative, Josette Shiner, said last week that China had pledged to adopt a "zero-tolerance" policy toward piracy of trademarks and intellectual property.
.
Other foreign carmakers in China include Nissan Motor. "This is not good for the protection of intellectual property rights in China," said Katsumi Nakamura, president of Dongfeng Motor, Nissan's venture in China.
.
 

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Bloomberg News BEIJING Toyota Motor on Monday lost a trademark lawsuit against Geely Group, China's biggest private carmaker, in a case that had been closely watched by overseas companies concerned about protecting their designs and logos in the mainland market.
.
Toyota is "very disappointed" by the verdict after presenting evidence to a Beijing court showing that Geely's Merrie Cars had a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and trunk that resembled Toyota's "T" icon, said Shi Yusheng, a lawyer for Toyota.
.
Toyota's China spokeswoman said the company would weigh its next step.
.
"We regret that our viewpoint was not accepted by the court," the spokeswoman, Yang Hongjian, said in a written response to questions from Bloomberg. "We will decide how to proceed after a carefully analysis of the verdict."
.
The court decision came a setback for other automakers, including General Motors, which has said it is "investigating" whether Chery Automobile's QQ minicar resembles the Chevrolet Spark.
.
Peter So, head of China research at ING Groep, said such cases were difficult for plaintiffs.
.
"Copyright lawsuits aren't easy to win, and that is not just in China," So said. "Even with the ruling today, do foreign automakers have a choice? Can they choose not to come to China?"
.
Wang Zhong, a lawyer for Geely, called the verdict "fair" and "objective."
.
Geely, a 17-year-old company based in the eastern province of Zhejiang, started out as a maker of refrigerator parts and switched to making cars in 1999. It has produced about 70,000 passenger cars since then and seeks to make 100,000 cars this year, tripling that number to 300,000 by 2005.
.
Despite the verdict, Toyota, Japan's largest automaker and the world's third-biggest carmaker, plans to invest $2.5 billion in China by 2010.
.
Toyota was ordered to pay 80,360 yuan, or $9,700, in court costs by the Beijing Intermediate Court. If the company wants to appeal the verdict, it must do so within 30 days, the court said.
.
Shi, the Toyota lawyer, added: "The main judgment is not in line with the facts that we provided to the court. As long as there is the possibility that consumers can mistake Geely's logo for Toyota's trademark, it should be taken as a violation of Toyota's rights."
.
Overseas carmakers are stepping up efforts to protect their designs and trademarks in China, where vehicle sales are forecast to increase by at least a third this year, according to government estimates.
.
"There have been consistent rumors that QQ looks like the Spark and we are in the process of investigating it," the chairman of General Motors China, Phil Murtaugh, said last week.
.
Chery's marketing manager, Sun Yong, said in April that the company had "adapted" successful designs from abroad to help it bolster sales in China.
.
The U.S. deputy trade representative, Josette Shiner, said last week that China had pledged to adopt a "zero-tolerance" policy toward piracy of trademarks and intellectual property.
.
Other foreign carmakers in China include Nissan Motor. "This is not good for the protection of intellectual property rights in China," said Katsumi Nakamura, president of Dongfeng Motor, Nissan's venture in China.
.
Bloomberg News BEIJING Toyota Motor on Monday lost a trademark lawsuit against Geely Group, China's biggest private carmaker, in a case that had been closely watched by overseas companies concerned about protecting their designs and logos in the mainland market.
.
Toyota is "very disappointed" by the verdict after presenting evidence to a Beijing court showing that Geely's Merrie Cars had a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and trunk that resembled Toyota's "T" icon, said Shi Yusheng, a lawyer for Toyota.
.
Toyota's China spokeswoman said the company would weigh its next step.
.
"We regret that our viewpoint was not accepted by the court," the spokeswoman, Yang Hongjian, said in a written response to questions from Bloomberg. "We will decide how to proceed after a carefully analysis of the verdict."
.
The court decision came a setback for other automakers, including General Motors, which has said it is "investigating" whether Chery Automobile's QQ minicar resembles the Chevrolet Spark.
.
Peter So, head of China research at ING Groep, said such cases were difficult for plaintiffs.
.
"Copyright lawsuits aren't easy to win, and that is not just in China," So said. "Even with the ruling today, do foreign automakers have a choice? Can they choose not to come to China?"
.
Wang Zhong, a lawyer for Geely, called the verdict "fair" and "objective."
.
Geely, a 17-year-old company based in the eastern province of Zhejiang, started out as a maker of refrigerator parts and switched to making cars in 1999. It has produced about 70,000 passenger cars since then and seeks to make 100,000 cars this year, tripling that number to 300,000 by 2005.
.
Despite the verdict, Toyota, Japan's largest automaker and the world's third-biggest carmaker, plans to invest $2.5 billion in China by 2010.
.
Toyota was ordered to pay 80,360 yuan, or $9,700, in court costs by the Beijing Intermediate Court. If the company wants to appeal the verdict, it must do so within 30 days, the court said.
.
Shi, the Toyota lawyer, added: "The main judgment is not in line with the facts that we provided to the court. As long as there is the possibility that consumers can mistake Geely's logo for Toyota's trademark, it should be taken as a violation of Toyota's rights."
.
Overseas carmakers are stepping up efforts to protect their designs and trademarks in China, where vehicle sales are forecast to increase by at least a third this year, according to government estimates.
.
"There have been consistent rumors that QQ looks like the Spark and we are in the process of investigating it," the chairman of General Motors China, Phil Murtaugh, said last week.
.
Chery's marketing manager, Sun Yong, said in April that the company had "adapted" successful designs from abroad to help it bolster sales in China.
.
The U.S. deputy trade representative, Josette Shiner, said last week that China had pledged to adopt a "zero-tolerance" policy toward piracy of trademarks and intellectual property.
.
Other foreign carmakers in China include Nissan Motor. "This is not good for the protection of intellectual property rights in China," said Katsumi Nakamura, president of Dongfeng Motor, Nissan's venture in China.
.
Bloomberg News
 

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Their site is hilarious. Looks like someone went nuts with photoshop...

First 3 pics look like VW gen III cars with mercedes grilles grafted on, and tiburon with an even bigger identity crisis than Hyundai created...closer looks at the JEtta knockoffs have the BMW tails...

Well, since China reluctantly agreed to shut down a couple of CD burners, it looks like those guys have found a new niche market!
 

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a JAPANESE company trying to sue a Chinese company, in the mainland?

good luck winning that case :lol:

even a kid defending the chinese company will win the case :lol: for the very reason that the trial won't be a fair one.
 

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a JAPANESE company trying to sue a Chinese company, in the mainland?

good luck winning that case :lol:

even a kid defending the chinese company will win the case :lol: for the very reason that the trial won't be a fair one.
So true.
 
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