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I am worried Trump won't get a second term and this mindset will take over again. Warning this thread on Reddit is stuffed full of the pious believers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/a8qmq7/blaming_climate_change_on_the_masses_leads_to/
Carbon dioxide emissions from US power sector has declined by 28% since 2005. You won't hear about that on the nightly news.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/23/carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-the-u-s-power-sector-have-declined-28-since-2005/

Yes, and most of the corporations are in countries that don't care at all about the climate accord - China, Japan, etc. What a money grabbing hoax.
 

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Climate scientists, the experts. The all-knowing, all-omniscient experts by whose account, whose assessment?

True, scientists who have studied climatological phenomena know more about the underlying chemistry and physics of those phenomena than laypersons. But for the same reason that economists can’t predict the future—a far-from-complete understanding of what all the variables are, how strong the relative effects of each one will be, and the inability to isolate factors—climate scientists can’t predict future climatological conditions (as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change itself has stated unequivocally).

It may hurt the pride of climate experts to hear that you or I may be just as likely as them to guess whether the world will be warmer or cooler in future centuries, but it’s true. Just as stimulus plans have become a rigid economic dogma in the parts of the economic profession that are closely allied to government, so the false notion that carbon dioxide is the thermostat regulating global temperatures has become dogma among politicians and the climate scientists they fund.

Any intelligent non-scientist can easily understand that if the historical geological record shows that there have been both warm and cold periods when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 has been both high and low, and there have also been periods when rising concentrations of CO2 followed rather than preceded warmer temperatures, that CO2 can’t be the primary cause or controller of climate change.

Politicians acting on the basis of expert speculation about the future have, and will continue to inflict much economic damage on society. It will be an uphill struggle to break free from this powerful and dangerous partnership—especially in light of the unquestioning support that many major news outlets confer upon government’s chosen experts.

Think about this the next time you read something like, “The world’s foremost climate scientists agree that climate change has reached a critical juncture.” Who decides who the “foremost” scientists are? By default, the major media tend to assume that they are the scientists chosen by political leaders to receive government grants or to serve on taxpayer-supported national and multilateral panels that call for governments to radically restructure society.

What qualifies politicians to judge who the best scientists are? It is disturbing that journalists blindly assume that government-sponsored scientists are the best and that their speculative predictions must, therefore, be correct.

Food for thought for those who adhere to "settled" climate change.
 

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What worrys me, and I need to find put more about it, are the deaths of reefs and the reported 70% decline in plankton. They say the CO2 is acidifying the ocean.
I may not be an oceanographer, chemist, etc., but I'm well read in the sciences, and in this educated layman's opinion the ocean acidification meme is just another extension of the false "climate change" crisis. The cult fanatics that adhere to climate change must continuously find sins attributable to humanity that must be purged, lest we all die. :disappoin Regarding ocean acidification, I'll point out....

* the oceans are so vast at over 300,000,000 cubic miles of volume that the minuscule 0.04% of carbon dioxide in Earth's minuscule atmosphere (compared to the ocean) can have no appreciable effect on them, even regarding surface waters alone.

* the ocean's pH level of around 8, due to its massive volume, is a specific buffer against any acidification caused by CO2 absorption.

* ocean warming actually reduces the solubility of CO2 in water, negating any purported absorption by that water.

* as with California and the west coast's loss of kelp forest habitat from the 1970s onward, tropical reefs are much more affected by human-created pollutants, particularly nitrogen in fertilizers, etc. For kelp forests, once runoff-type pollution was controlled or stopped the kelp forests have been returning with vigor. Same is true with reef systems, and "climate change" fervor blinds adherents because it is sexier to believe in CO2 as a cause for reefs dying than nitrogen in runoff.

In the end, ocean acidification is another false claim filled with flawed data--or should I say flawed assessments of data, identical to what has happened with global warming--and it should be considered another great fraud.

Like I've said before, I do believe that there is some degree of climate change that is anthropogenic, but the cultists and their followers are looking at the wrong causes. If you want the single greatest contributor IMHO to climate change on this earth caused by humans, look no further than urbanization and suburbanization of hundreds of thousands of square miles of once pristine lands, as well as the increasing construction of solar collector power stations and massive greenhouse farms to grow crops. Those are the sources of anthropogenic climate change. But they're not hip, they're not sexy to rally around.
 

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I may not be an oceanographer, chemist, etc., but I'm well read in the sciences, and in this educated layman's opinion the ocean acidification meme is just another extension of the false "climate change" crisis. The cult fanatics that adhere to climate change must continuously find sins attributable to humanity that must be purged, lest we all die. :disappoin Regarding ocean acidification, I'll point out....

* the oceans are so vast at over 300,000,000 cubic miles of volume that the minuscule 0.04% of carbon dioxide in Earth's minuscule atmosphere (compared to the ocean) can have no appreciable effect on them, even regarding surface waters alone.

* the ocean's pH level of around 8, due to its massive volume, is a specific buffer against any acidification caused by CO2 absorption.

* ocean warming actually reduces the solubility of CO2 in water, negating any purported absorption by that water.

* as with California and the west coast's loss of kelp forest habitat from the 1970s onward, tropical reefs are much more affected by human-created pollutants, particularly nitrogen in fertilizers, etc. For kelp forests, once runoff-type pollution was controlled or stopped the kelp forests have been returning with vigor. Same is true with reef systems, and "climate change" fervor blinds adherents because it is sexier to believe in CO2 as a cause for reefs dying than nitrogen in runoff.

In the end, ocean acidification is another false claim filled with flawed data--or should I say flawed assessments of data, identical to what has happened with global warming--and it should be considered another great fraud.

Like I've said before, I do believe that there is some degree of climate change that is anthropogenic, but the cultists and their followers are looking at the wrong causes. If you want the single greatest contributor IMHO to climate change on this earth caused by humans, look no further than urbanization and suburbanization of hundreds of thousands of square miles of once pristine lands, as well as the increasing construction of solar collector power stations and massive greenhouse farms to grow crops. Those are the sources of anthropogenic climate change. But they're not hip, they're not sexy to rally around.
Evolution isn't that stupid. It grew and thrive out of the ice age. Loads of CO2 means plant can grow best and to huge sizes. Carbon is the base of all life, so for socialist to attack and trying to ban carbon is basically trying to kill life itself.

Evolution create socialist is a mistake which it will resolve itself by "kill all human". :lol:
 

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Evolution isn't that stupid. It grew and thrive out of the ice age. Loads of CO2 means plant can grow best and to huge sizes. Carbon is the base of all life, so for socialist to attack and trying to ban carbon is basically trying to kill life itself.

Evolution create socialist is a mistake which it will resolve itself by "kill all human". :lol:
That's what is so sick about the climate cultists, because they view humanity as a virus that needs to be wiped out in order to preserve mother Earth. :facepalm:

These people have already infiltrated NASA and the United Nations Committee for the Peaceful Use of Outer Space, such that they're already talking about limiting human access to the Moon, Mars, and even asteroids. They want to restrict who can go where and why, and, ultimately, space travelers and future off-world entrepreneurs must seek approval from the god of United Nations government to mine the smallest asteroid.

The known universe is not vast enough to contain the :nofu: I give to those people. Go to hell.
 

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The global warming movement has many parallels to a cult. What follows are characteristics of a cult excerpted from Walter Martin and Ravi Zacharias's book entitled, The Kingdom of the Cults. Read on, it gets interesting....


1. Leadership by a New Age prophet--in the case of global warming, of course, this is Al Gore.

2. Assertion of an apocalyptic threat to all of mankind.

3. An absolutist definition of both the threat and the proposed solution and/or solutions.

4. Promise of a salvation from the impending apocalypse.

5. Devotion to an inspired text which embodies all the answers--former Vice-President Al Gore's pseudo-scientific tome, Earth in the Balance, and also his Inconvenient Truth documentary, for example.

6. A specific list of "truths" which must be embraced and proselytized by all cult members.

7. An absolute intolerance of any deviation from any of the established truths by any of the cult members.

8. An absolute intolerance of any outside criticism of the cult's definition of the problem or of its proposed solutions.

9. A "heaven-on-Earth" vision of the results of the mission's success or a "hell-on-Earth" result if the cultic mission should fail.

10. An inordinate fear and complete rejection of being proven wrong in either the apocalyptic vision or the proposed salvation.


Food for thought. :)
 

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I'm not a scientist, or anything like that. But, a bigger threat semi-related to climate change is volcanoes. Nobody knows when or where they will erupt, until it does. The ash spewed out of them can cause global cooling, make air travel nearly impossible, and can cause toxic fumes and ash to enter the atmosphere. If Yellowstone were to erupt, the east coast would have a mini nuclear disaster due to the cloud cover and crops damaged from the ash. The thing is, no one knows when it'll go off. None of the "scientists" can tell us. That's an unknown that no one takes into account when talking about Climate Change/Global Warming.

Would a strong enough earthquake split California, and turn part of it into an island? IDK, but who would get the blame for that?


Basically, I really don't believe a big tall pile of money will fix anything related to global warming/climate change. At least not in my lifetime. I doubt it would fix anything in my kids lifetime either. I believe it's a SCAM to collect money to separate hard working individuals from their hard earned money. Nothing more. If it really mattered, then why did Macron cancel the new fuel taxes for 6 months, like it really would make a difference. It's a scam used to balance countries budgets, and redistribute the weath, plain and simple.
 

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I'm not a scientist, or anything like that. But, a bigger threat semi-related to climate change is volcanoes. Nobody knows when or where they will erupt, until it does. The ash spewed out of them can cause global cooling, make air travel nearly impossible, and can cause toxic fumes and ash to enter the atmosphere. If Yellowstone were to erupt, the east coast would have a mini nuclear disaster due to the cloud cover and crops damaged from the ash. The thing is, no one knows when it'll go off. None of the "scientists" can tell us. That's an unknown that no one takes into account when talking about Climate Change/Global Warming.

Would a strong enough earthquake split California, and turn part of it become an island? IDK, but who would get the blame for that?
Believe it or not, in Italy they have prosecuted geologists and other scientists for not predicting destructive earthquakes. :facepalm:

You're absolutely correct that they don't take into account volcanic influences. I wrote a refutation once in a scientific periodical regarding two scientists that wrote an article supporting anthropogenic climate change, and I pointed out in full detail both the Siberian Traps and Deccan Traps eruptions that occurred in earth's distant geological past, and how both events pumped billions and even trillions of tons of a dozen different gasses and particulates into the atmosphere that dwarfed all mankind has ever produced, yet the earth survived and flourished. Imagine that!

They responded in the periodical with a simple, out-of-hand dismissal that provided no data in their counter-argument. Tangible realities like volcanic contributions to "climate change" don't fit in with adherents' dogma that changes in earth's climate that are destructive can only be produced by human beings.

Objective science fail.
 

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Believe it or not, in Italy they have prosecuted geologists and other scientists for not predicting destructive earthquakes. :facepalm:

You're absolutely correct that they don't take into account volcanic influences. I wrote a refutation once in a scientific periodical regarding two scientists that wrote an article supporting anthropogenic climate change, and I pointed out in full detail both the Siberian Traps and Deccan Traps eruptions that occurred in earth's distant geological past, and how both events pumped billions and even trillions of tons of a dozen different gasses and particulates into the atmosphere that dwarfed all mankind has ever produced, yet the earth survived and flourished. Imagine that!

They responded in the periodical with a simple, out-of-hand dismissal that provided no data in their counter-argument. Tangible realities like volcanic contributions to "climate change" don't fit in with adherents' dogma that changes in earth's climate that are destructive can only be produced by human beings.

Objective science fail.

Oh, I agree. The so called scientists are only looking at part of the whole. They're watching temps, measuring CO2 levels, along with other gaseous levels, wind directions, ocean temps, etc but they're just feeding all that info into a computer that spits out garbage. Then they extrapolate what they want people to hear to get them worried and call it fact. Nobody took the nuke testing into the effect, nobody took volcanoes into effect, nobody took earthquakes into effect, so there's a few variables right there that aren't accounted for. What else did they miss? Hell they can't even predict the weather with 3 different computer models and get it right 50% of the time. Not to mention the climate studies are using 1998 as a start point, when they should have started with 1898. A longer period of time, gives you a better look at how things have changed. The question becomes are they using he middle 2/3rds of the bell curve? Or the whole damn thing? You know they're not giving the whole picture.
 

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Climate change IS fact.
It is cycling every about 12 000 years, due to precession change. You can look it up online.
As in each such cycle, global COOLING is coming. Not warming. It was like this, is like this and will be like this.
If you want to listen to media hype, paid for by those who own them, scientists included, that's fine. Just keep in mind that humanity as a whole produces 1.4% from the gross CO2 production on the planet. One point four percent. Not forty. Not fourteen. Not even four. 1.4. This is, how should I put it - negligent? Remember one thing. Official "science" in the West is grossly based on grants. No grants - no science. Grants are not dispensed to reseach projects that do not satisfy The Elite needs. As the result, "scientists" quickly figure it out, what is paid for and what is not, and follow the suite.
 

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"Climate science" is a giant pyramid scheme with the governments of the world in the middle making sure the money keeps flowing.


Humans pillage, plunder, kill, and pollute. The sun, ocean currents, and plate tectonics change climates. Climate scientists get millions of dollars to figure out how much each affects the other and they always come to the same conclusion... "Stuff happened, some stuff is happening now, and more stuff may happen later... we need more money to study this stuff or we all could die"

1970's Global cooling (Didn't happen)
1980's Global warming (turned out to be natural)
1990's Ozone depletion (was mostly natural)
2000's "Climate change" (Covers all the bases)
 

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I wonder how much of sea level rise is due to the constant bombardment of our planet by cosmic dust and other particles.

Also every plant converts C02 into soil, so it's a race between the oceans being filled with cosmic particles and the land being filled with plant material and cosmic particles, some of which runs off into the oceans in erosion events.

Combine that with mass neutral volcanic events that would also raise ocean levels and then all of those combinations of falling particulate matter must be considered as factors and be quantified as part of any realistic predictive scenario, which I doubt very seriously is being done in a truly objective process.
 

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Climate change IS fact.
It is cycling every about 12 000 years, due to precession change. You can look it up online.
As in each such cycle, global COOLING is coming. Not warming. It was like this, is like this and will be like this.
I agree completely. Add to that the sun's multiple solar cycles are synchronizing, and I agree with quite a number of solar scientists who predict a decades-long decrease in solar output that will create another "Maunder minimum," or "little ice age" as it was also called, in the coming decades. If the next solar max proves to be weaker and generate fewer sunspots, flares, and CMEs compared to the last solar max, then IMO it's a very good sign the trend will continue and the earth will experience pronounced cooling.

It'll be very funny to watch twenty or thirty years from now when all the "climate change" and "global warming" people are running around screaming like Chicken Little that the earth is cooling and we need to warm it up or else we'll become snowball Earth. The thought of that deserves both a :lol: and a :facepalm:
 

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Oh, I agree. The so called scientists are only looking at part of the whole. They're watching temps, measuring CO2 levels, along with other gaseous levels, wind directions, ocean temps, etc but they're just feeding all that info into a computer that spits out garbage.
Oh, I have a gem for you right out of my most recent edition of Physics Today that is related to what you wrote. I'll post it up tomorrow afternoon when I have the time. You'll love it! Stay tuned.
 

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I agree completely. Add to that the sun's multiple solar cycles are synchronizing, and I agree with quite a number of solar scientists who predict a decades-long decrease in solar output that will create another "Maunder minimum," or "little ice age" as it was also called, in the coming decades. If the next solar max proves to be weaker and generate fewer sunspots, flares, and CMEs compared to the last solar max, then IMO it's a very good sign the trend will continue and the earth will experience pronounced cooling.

It'll be very funny to watch twenty or thirty years from now when all the "climate change" and "global warming" people are running around screaming like Chicken Little that the earth is cooling and we need to warm it up or else we'll become snowball Earth. The thought of that deserves both a :lol: and a :facepalm:
Exactly the reason why Gore's "global warming" morphed into "climate change." They knew they were wrong, but would never admit it!! I am fairly certain that man will not be the cause of the ultimate destruction of the earth.
 

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Exactly the reason why Gore's "global warming" morphed into "climate change." They knew they were wrong, but would never admit it!! I am fairly certain that man will not be the cause of the ultimate destruction of the earth.
No. You are the one that is wrong. A con always knew what he is saying is wrong, but the whole point is to get you to believe it and get you to PAY for it... that's when it pays. Follow the money. They learn not to admit anything.

We are paying, look at all your bills. You are mandate to pay many ways into their global warming sht. Fear and scares also pays and that was what Gore did when he said we will die in 10 years instead of the usually 50 or 500 years.

Don't blame the criminal for doing crime. Don't blame the con for being what they are. Don't blame socialist democrat for being socialist. Why didn't they achieve before but now so successful at it? They been doing this for a long time. They were always laugh at, but now it's the opposite.
 
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