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I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup. It

is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There is a
package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
two questions
1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it can

be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
this sound logical?
2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely mechanically

inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before. I
hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas" on

the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
something that I will regret?


Thanks for the assistance everyone.....


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"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup. It
>
> is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There is a
> package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
> two questions
> 1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
> tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it can
>
> be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
> this sound logical?


Yes, it's true, and yes it sounds logical.

The throw out bearing will make noise when you apply -- depress -- the
clutch pedal.




> 2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely mechanically
>
> inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before. I
> hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
> done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas" on
>
> the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
> Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
> something that I will regret?
>
>


You might be getting in over your head, but you said that you have done this
sort of thing before, so you should be okay.
 
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:22 -0500, "Ray O"
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>"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup.
>> It is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There is a
>> package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
>> two questions
>> 1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
>> tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it can
>> be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
>> this sound logical?

>
>Under what conditions does the noise occur? At idle with the clutch pedal
>depressed and the clutch disengaged? If so, the throw-out bearing should be
>checked.
>
>If it happens with the clutch engaged, then something else is the culprit.
>
>If you are going to replace the clutch, you might as well do the throwout
>bearing while you are at it, especially if you sit at stop signs with the
>clutch pedal depressed instead of shifting into neutral and engaging the
>clutch.


Hey Ray O.! What's the life expectancy of the pilot bushing/
bearing on the end of the crankshaft?

The pilot bearing is one more little piece that's easy to do at the
same time (though they can be a bear to get the old one out of the
hole). But if it starts making noise later, you have to take the
whole darned thing apart again to get at it.

>> 2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely mechanically
>> inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before. I
>> hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
>> done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas" on
>> the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
>> Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
>> something that I will regret?

>
>You should check the condition of the flywheel.


Take your time, and be prepared with a 'parts burner' car to run
into town and get something you forgot.

Do NOT get yourself into a "Do Or Die" situation, that way leads to
madness... Don't start the job with the car parked at the curb if
it's a Tow Away Zone Monday through Friday - you need to do the work
in a garage or on a piece of driveway that can be safely occupied for
a while just in case.

If you run into unexpected problems and have to bail out of the job
halfway till you locate the parts, have a plan to get to work next
week. Either make advance arrangements to borrow a 'spare car' from
friends or family, or pre-arrange a carpool ride, or check out the
weekly rate from Rent-A-Wreck.



--<< Bruce >>--

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Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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"Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:22 -0500, "Ray O"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]

>
>>>I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup.
>>> It is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There is a
>>> package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
>>> two questions
>>> 1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
>>> tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it can
>>> be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
>>> this sound logical?

>>
>>Under what conditions does the noise occur? At idle with the clutch pedal
>>depressed and the clutch disengaged? If so, the throw-out bearing should
>>be
>>checked.
>>
>>If it happens with the clutch engaged, then something else is the culprit.
>>
>>If you are going to replace the clutch, you might as well do the throwout
>>bearing while you are at it, especially if you sit at stop signs with the
>>clutch pedal depressed instead of shifting into neutral and engaging the
>>clutch.

>
> Hey Ray O.! What's the life expectancy of the pilot bushing/
> bearing on the end of the crankshaft?
>
> The pilot bearing is one more little piece that's easy to do at the
> same time (though they can be a bear to get the old one out of the
> hole). But if it starts making noise later, you have to take the
> whole darned thing apart again to get at it.


The pilot bearing should last the life of the vehicle but, Bruce's advice is
very good. If you are going to be rootin' around in there, replacing the
pilot bearing at the same time can save lots of time later.

>
>>> 2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely mechanically
>>> inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before. I
>>> hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
>>> done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas" on
>>> the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
>>> Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
>>> something that I will regret?

>>
>>You should check the condition of the flywheel.

>
> Take your time, and be prepared with a 'parts burner' car to run
> into town and get something you forgot.
>
> Do NOT get yourself into a "Do Or Die" situation, that way leads to
> madness... Don't start the job with the car parked at the curb if
> it's a Tow Away Zone Monday through Friday - you need to do the work
> in a garage or on a piece of driveway that can be safely occupied for
> a while just in case.
>
> If you run into unexpected problems and have to bail out of the job
> halfway till you locate the parts, have a plan to get to work next
> week. Either make advance arrangements to borrow a 'spare car' from
> friends or family, or pre-arrange a carpool ride, or check out the
> weekly rate from Rent-A-Wreck.
>
>
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> --
> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.


More excellent advice!
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Ray O wrote:
> "Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:22 -0500, "Ray O"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]

> >
> >>>I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup.
> >>> It is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There is a
> >>> package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
> >>> two questions
> >>> 1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
> >>> tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it can
> >>> be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
> >>> this sound logical?
> >>
> >>Under what conditions does the noise occur? At idle with the clutch pedal
> >>depressed and the clutch disengaged? If so, the throw-out bearing should
> >>be
> >>checked.
> >>
> >>If it happens with the clutch engaged, then something else is the culprit.
> >>
> >>If you are going to replace the clutch, you might as well do the throwout
> >>bearing while you are at it, especially if you sit at stop signs with the
> >>clutch pedal depressed instead of shifting into neutral and engaging the
> >>clutch.

> >
> > Hey Ray O.! What's the life expectancy of the pilot bushing/
> > bearing on the end of the crankshaft?
> >
> > The pilot bearing is one more little piece that's easy to do at the
> > same time (though they can be a bear to get the old one out of the
> > hole). But if it starts making noise later, you have to take the
> > whole darned thing apart again to get at it.

>
> The pilot bearing should last the life of the vehicle but, Bruce's advice is
> very good. If you are going to be rootin' around in there, replacing the
> pilot bearing at the same time can save lots of time later.
>
> >
> >>> 2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely mechanically
> >>> inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before. I
> >>> hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
> >>> done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas" on
> >>> the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
> >>> Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
> >>> something that I will regret?
> >>
> >>You should check the condition of the flywheel.

> >
> > Take your time, and be prepared with a 'parts burner' car to run
> > into town and get something you forgot.
> >
> > Do NOT get yourself into a "Do Or Die" situation, that way leads to
> > madness... Don't start the job with the car parked at the curb if
> > it's a Tow Away Zone Monday through Friday - you need to do the work
> > in a garage or on a piece of driveway that can be safely occupied for
> > a while just in case.
> >
> > If you run into unexpected problems and have to bail out of the job
> > halfway till you locate the parts, have a plan to get to work next
> > week. Either make advance arrangements to borrow a 'spare car' from
> > friends or family, or pre-arrange a carpool ride, or check out the
> > weekly rate from Rent-A-Wreck.
> >
> >
> >
> > --<< Bruce >>--
> >
> > --
> > Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> > Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> > 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> > Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

>
> More excellent advice!
> --
> Ray O
> correct the return address punctuation to reply


I will be doing this in my garage at my house so I am good on that
front....but thanks for bringing it up....logstics are important!!

The whining noise starts as soon as I get to 5mph. It is always
apparent but reduces as soon as I push in my clutch. It almost sounds
like it could be near the drive train or differenctial. It definitely
feels like the whining is coming from right behind my seat on the
drives side....hope this helps.

I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
DONE!!! ;)

I am going to http://www.howthingswork.com now to figure out how the
hell I am going to get this done tomorrow.... ;)
 
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On 28 Oct 2005 23:12:03 -0700, "G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
>DONE!!! ;)


That is SOM'BITCH.....

LOL

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Scott in Florida <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 28 Oct 2005 23:12:03 -0700, "G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
>>DONE!!! ;)

>
>That is SOM'BITCH.....
>
>LOL


This is quite scary to me but I noticed and thought the exact
same thing!...(I'd likely have used SUMBITCH though)...but close
'nuff...
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"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>> "Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:46:22 -0500, "Ray O"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>"G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]
>> >
>> >>>I am going to replace my clutch this weekend on my 93 Toyota Pickup.
>> >>> It is a 2 wheel drive and as basic as they came in that year. There
>> >>> is a
>> >>> package that I can buy at Napa and I think it is like $150.00. I have
>> >>> two questions
>> >>> 1. For some time now I have had a whining type noise coming from the
>> >>> tranny area. I have been told it is a throw-out bearing and that it
>> >>> can
>> >>> be easily replaced once the transmission is off. Is this true? Does
>> >>> this sound logical?
>> >>
>> >>Under what conditions does the noise occur? At idle with the clutch
>> >>pedal
>> >>depressed and the clutch disengaged? If so, the throw-out bearing
>> >>should
>> >>be
>> >>checked.
>> >>
>> >>If it happens with the clutch engaged, then something else is the
>> >>culprit.
>> >>
>> >>If you are going to replace the clutch, you might as well do the
>> >>throwout
>> >>bearing while you are at it, especially if you sit at stop signs with
>> >>the
>> >>clutch pedal depressed instead of shifting into neutral and engaging
>> >>the
>> >>clutch.
>> >
>> > Hey Ray O.! What's the life expectancy of the pilot bushing/
>> > bearing on the end of the crankshaft?
>> >
>> > The pilot bearing is one more little piece that's easy to do at the
>> > same time (though they can be a bear to get the old one out of the
>> > hole). But if it starts making noise later, you have to take the
>> > whole darned thing apart again to get at it.

>>
>> The pilot bearing should last the life of the vehicle but, Bruce's advice
>> is
>> very good. If you are going to be rootin' around in there, replacing the
>> pilot bearing at the same time can save lots of time later.
>>
>> >
>> >>> 2. I have never replaced a clutch before but am definitely
>> >>> mechanically
>> >>> inclined and have done alot of maintenance type work on cars before.
>> >>> I
>> >>> hear on this particular model it is really easy to get all of this
>> >>> done. What I am wondering is if I am going to run into any "gotchas"
>> >>> on
>> >>> the job. As in is there anything in particular I should look out for?
>> >>> Is this replacement pretty straightforward or am I getting into
>> >>> something that I will regret?
>> >>
>> >>You should check the condition of the flywheel.
>> >
>> > Take your time, and be prepared with a 'parts burner' car to run
>> > into town and get something you forgot.
>> >
>> > Do NOT get yourself into a "Do Or Die" situation, that way leads to
>> > madness... Don't start the job with the car parked at the curb if
>> > it's a Tow Away Zone Monday through Friday - you need to do the work
>> > in a garage or on a piece of driveway that can be safely occupied for
>> > a while just in case.
>> >
>> > If you run into unexpected problems and have to bail out of the job
>> > halfway till you locate the parts, have a plan to get to work next
>> > week. Either make advance arrangements to borrow a 'spare car' from
>> > friends or family, or pre-arrange a carpool ride, or check out the
>> > weekly rate from Rent-A-Wreck.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --<< Bruce >>--
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
>> > Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
>> > 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
>> > Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

>>
>> More excellent advice!
>> --
>> Ray O
>> correct the return address punctuation to reply

>
> I will be doing this in my garage at my house so I am good on that
> front....but thanks for bringing it up....logstics are important!!
>
> The whining noise starts as soon as I get to 5mph. It is always
> apparent but reduces as soon as I push in my clutch. It almost sounds
> like it could be near the drive train or differenctial. It definitely
> feels like the whining is coming from right behind my seat on the
> drives side....hope this helps.
>
> I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
> DONE!!! ;)
>
> I am going to http://www.howthingswork.com now to figure out how the
> hell I am going to get this done tomorrow.... ;)
>


OK, If the noise reduces as soon as you push in the clutch pedal, it is
probably not the throwout bearing. While the noise is apparent, shift into
neutral and coast - if the noise is still there, it may be internal in the
transmission, like an input shaft bearing.
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My humble advice is that you replace the throw out bearing and pilot bearing
since you are in there anyway. It's much easier and cheaper to do these
bearings with the clutch then to pull all of that crap off again later.

Now, given what you just said in your post that I am replying to, I'm not
sure your throw out bearing is the source of your noise. I'm leaning to the
transmission itself since the whine goes away when you use the clutch -- and
change the loading on the transmission when the clutch pedal is depressed.



<sorry to trim and top post, but that's just the way I am)



>
> I will be doing this in my garage at my house so I am good on that
> front....but thanks for bringing it up....logstics are important!!
>
> The whining noise starts as soon as I get to 5mph. It is always
> apparent but reduces as soon as I push in my clutch. It almost sounds
> like it could be near the drive train or differenctial. It definitely
> feels like the whining is coming from right behind my seat on the
> drives side....hope this helps.
>
> I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
> DONE!!! ;)
>
> I am going to http://www.howthingswork.com now to figure out how the
> hell I am going to get this done tomorrow.... ;)
>
 
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"Gord Beaman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Scott in Florida <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>On 28 Oct 2005 23:12:03 -0700, "G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
>>>DONE!!! ;)

>>
>>That is SOM'BITCH.....
>>
>>LOL

>
> This is quite scary to me but I noticed and thought the exact
> same thing!...(I'd likely have used SUMBITCH though)...but close
> 'nuff...
> --


SUMBITCH is the result of adding two or more bitches together.
 
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>"Gord Beaman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Scott in Florida <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 28 Oct 2005 23:12:03 -0700, "G-Ram" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
>>>>DONE!!! ;)
>>>
>>>That is SOM'BITCH.....
>>>
>>>LOL

>>
>> This is quite scary to me but I noticed and thought the exact
>> same thing!...(I'd likely have used SUMBITCH though)...but close
>> 'nuff...
>> --

>
>SUMBITCH is the result of adding two or more bitches together.
>
>

Sounds right...
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One thing no one mentioned is that you will need an old
tranny input shaft or other device to centre up that new
clutch disk while you tighten the pressure plate.

Slim


>
>I will be doing this in my garage at my house so I am good on that
>front....but thanks for bringing it up....logstics are important!!
>
>The whining noise starts as soon as I get to 5mph. It is always
>apparent but reduces as soon as I push in my clutch. It almost sounds
>like it could be near the drive train or differenctial. It definitely
>feels like the whining is coming from right behind my seat on the
>drives side....hope this helps.
>
>I am committed...Im tearin this son'bitch apart and gonnna get'r
>DONE!!! ;)
>
>I am going to http://www.howthingswork.com now to figure out how the
>hell I am going to get this done tomorrow.... ;)
 

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Hi if you still use this im having a similar issue. Definitely a bearing whine but mine does it under load (bot as noticeable) but its the worst in neutral and goes away after applying the clutch
 
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