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I for one, would've to have the luxury Avalon back. It was never meant to be "Sporty" so why ruin it like they did? If they insist on having one sporty version ok, but let's have a large floating boat for us old farts and or us folks that appreciate Smooth, Comfortable, Quiet Luxury Cars. I for one, would be fine with MPG being a bit less, if I got Smooth, Comfortable, Quiet, large sedan again.

Speaking of which, sure seems like they may want to bring back the LS of old as well.
 

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I can relate and agree with you about wanting a "large floating boat". However I do not see that happening in any vehicle line up. It seems Cadillac was the first to take their "boats" and make them sportier, (remember the add, "when you turn your car on, does it return the favor"?) Lincoln fell behind and eventually now it seems that their current line up is starting to sell, but gone is the Continental of the 70's - 90's. They have become sportier as well. As we were shopping last year for a new car, my wife said, "I want a car that is more "me"". And in this she meant sportier. At one time, we were looking at the KIA Cadenza, but KIA has seemed to ignore the US market with that model and is pushing the Stinger. Sharp looking car, but we're 64 and I don't see that as being an automobile for us when we're in our 70's!

I think the Avalon does a pretty good job of bridging the gap. We had an '05 Avalon and is was a nice ride, but sure would not have won any design awards. Our 2020 limited is a good ride, doesn't float like a "Detroit land yacht" and has some real nice styling. Much discussion on that grill however! As the boomers have gotten to retirement, it seems we have desired a more sporty looking car, as the makers are not only looking to us to purchase, but also the "younger" crowd. Toyota had to do something, if you look at the sales numbers of the Avalon over the years, they have dropped. I think they made a smart move with the TRD model, although not for me, I'm sure it is appealing to a younger group.
 

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I personally would have not bought my 2019 XSE if it wasn't sporty and looked like it does.
Also i came from a 2017 Challenger R/T and trust me, this is way softer then even a normal avg "sporty car"

Avalon would be totally dead if they didn't make this change. the person buying this size and type of car isn't buying it for a soft boring ride anymore.
Those type are normally going to a SUV or crossover.
Or buying a much more pricey car .
 

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Ruined to you, greatly improved to me. Handling and driving feel was always the Achilles heel for Toyota's, it's what made me vacillate between the reliability of Toyota and the driving feel of VW/BMW, I was frustrated that I couldn't have both in one vehicle. Now with tnga, I have the closest thing to a Toyota VW, and after driving a gen 4 Avalon I'm so glad I didn't get it, it is like a floaty boat compared to my gen 5.
 

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Yeah, I've had 6 Avalons, Most I loved, a few I didn't, and I would've love it if they'd stayed with the original theme of the car, but then again, I would have purchased another (had 3) Park Avenue had they continued with it, and would not have likely ever had an Avalon
 
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if it was available in the states I would have:)
 

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Yeah, I've had 6 Avalons, Most I loved, a few I didn't, and I would've love it if they'd stayed with the original theme of the car, but then again, I would have purchased another (had 3) Park Avenue had they continued with it, and would not have likely ever had an Avalon
Speaking of Buick, 1997 was the first time I considered buying an Avalon, after owning a 1990 Camry that I really liked. The 97 Avalon paled in comparison to the 97 Buick LaSabre Limited Touring with rear air suspension that I ultimately bought. The 97 Lesabre Touring combined a comfortable ride with sporty handling and it was very quick with its V6 that averaged 27 to 30 mpg on the highway and 26 mpg overall. If a Lesabre type car existed today it would outsell the Avalon.
 

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I for one, would've to have the luxury Avalon back. It was never meant to be "Sporty" so why ruin it like they did? If they insist on having one sporty version ok, but let's have a large floating boat for us old farts and or us folks that appreciate Smooth, Comfortable, Quiet Luxury Cars. I for one, would be fine with MPG being a bit less, if I got Smooth, Comfortable, Quiet, large sedan again.

Speaking of which, sure seems like they may want to bring back the LS of old as well.
Toyota is trying anything they can to sell the new Avalons. The new trim AWD model for 2021 will have a 4 cylider gas engine only option. Will it float, or will it sink?
 

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I think it's just a natural model extension, since the Camry is also getting the same power train for their version of AWD. With the market for sedans dropping as more and more buyers move to the CUV/SUV format, Toyota has said they would not abandon the sedan market. The same can not be said of a lot of mnaufacturers, like GM, for instance.

I suspect that at some point, CUV/SUV's might be viewed in the same way as mini vans are today, and the market COULD move back towards sedans again.
 

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My days of Fast driving are over. If we didn't see a need for the Highlander we just purchased, this would be #1 on my list of cars to drive and try out. We drive a lot of highway miles (25 to 35,000 per year) and the fuel savings would start to add up. And at highway speeds I don't think the power or lack of, would be a big deal.

I still wish the car was a bit bigger. I guess one of the things I miss in large sedans is a BIG trunk, as well as the smooth, quiet, cushy, comfortable ride
 

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The first quarter sales of Avalon's were 4,080 compared to last years first quarter of 6,619. Compared to the Camry's 77,188 and 81,684 respectively, Avalon's numbers were dismal. However they appeal to two different market segments. The price of the Avalon does knock out a large portion of the car buying public and I think the "large sedan" is a shrinking market giving up sales to the SUV's and crossover vehicles.

We're heading out on our first real trip with it in 3 weeks, so I'm anxious to finally be able to spend some time in ours.
 

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The first quarter sales of Avalon's were 4,080 compared to last years first quarter of 6,619. Compared to the Camry's 77,188 and 81,684 respectively, Avalon's numbers were dismal. However they appeal to two different market segments. The price of the Avalon does knock out a large portion of the car buying public and I think the "large sedan" is a shrinking market giving up sales to the SUV's and crossover vehicles.

We're heading out on our first real trip with it in 3 weeks, so I'm anxious to finally be able to spend some time in ours.
I think price, and what you get for that kind of money, is starting to catch up to the Avalon. While there are many other vehicles that are larger, (mostly SUV's, we traded our 2016 Avalon in on a 2020 Highlander Limited), I think at the price point folks are starting to expect more.

I for one, would like to see the car get bigger, and if Buick was paying any attention, they consider bring back the Lesabre and or Park Avenue

I'm sure you will enjoy your trip. From where to where if I might ask?
 

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We live in Ohio and heading to N. Carolina to the Outer Banks, 700 miles one way. Not a cross country, but enough to shake the bugs out. Got a limited the first week in February and don't have 500 miles on it yet. We generally ride our Goldwing on this trip, but decided during last year's trip to drive this year and glad we did. We'll have to take most of our groceries with us this year and that's hard to do on a motorcycle.
 
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