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I might be. Took a look at some part numbers the relay block LH kick panel is the same auto/manual (for a 1987 didn't check other years) I couldn't find any differences in the various harness part numbers except for the engine.
The dash harness should match between auto and manual. My '89 LE Alltrac had everything for both. Like I said, the relay sends power to a different pin on the K1 connector (goes between dash and engine harness) - and the manual engine harness uses a different wire to power the starter solenoid.

It is possible that some of the later (non-Alltrac) LE's didn't have the wiring under the dash for the manual trans, as it wasn't an option for that trim. Haven't looked into it though...

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Hopefully everything will line up good, if not I'll get a donor car at some point lol.

Got around to grabbing the starter relay at least. Car was still in the yard luckily.

The mount brackets though were frozen and rusted as heck and the mounts were shot, since the car had about 250k+ miles on it. Had no luck getting them off 馃槥 Luckily these will be on any manual Camry so I can always grab one on a lower mileage one.

On a side note, are the overhead switches for the sunroof known to break or go bad? Had to replace that small panel because the close switch stopped working.
 

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On a side note, are the overhead switches for the sunroof known to break or go bad? Had to replace that small panel because the close switch stopped working.
You're the first person I've seen have one go bad. But usually the sunroof doesn't work at all.
 

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On a side note, are the overhead switches for the sunroof known to break or go bad? Had to replace that small panel because the close switch stopped working.
You're the first person I've seen have one go bad. But usually the sunroof doesn't work at all.
Intetesting, cause yeah my sunroof works fine, minus the fact it only opens halfway. Something stuck but not sure what.
The close switch broke, or the contact point on it fell off. Grabbed 2 different panels in case lol! Hopefully I'm good forever.
 

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So update, I grabbed a s53 out of a 93 Celica, but I wasn't able to grab the flywheel. Does anyone have an 8 bolt flywheel in socal I can pick up? Maybe Charlie?
Somewhere within driving distance of la. I can always return it, since I can get another made, so long as I have a template.

Aside from that all I need now are the mounts, a couple connectors, a master cylinder, and to drill the holes for the shift cables and master cylinder, any recommendations? I already have a bunch of reference pics.
Also will the speedo cable from the Celica work with the Camry?

I'm getting pretty excited at this point haha..
 

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Rockauto has flywheels not sure on the quality in case you can't find locally. Your speedo cable should thread into the transmission IIRC the adapter that goes into the transmission is the same Camry or Celica.
 

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Rockauto has flywheels not sure on the quality in case you can't find locally. Your speedo cable should thread into the transmission IIRC the adapter that goes into the transmission is the same Camry or Celica.
Oh okay, that's good to know, thanks! Gotta save up to have a shop install and probably overhaul the tranny, no space at home haha.
On a related note is the k1 starter relay mod necessary? Or is it fine to not do it. I know it improves the circuit by reducing the wire length but I wasn't sure if it was 100% necessary but just recommended.
 

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You're kinda asking the wrong person if you go back a couple pages in this thread I was convinced there was no starter relay. :lol: Here's what I remember, there is a connector near the kick panel fuse block with a jumper plugged into it, remove that and plug into the clutch safety switch (not the jumper the other end). Maybe after that you simply plug in a Toyota starter relay in the blank spot (go back and look at the pics I posted for location/part number).

Remember this is not a substitute for a proper relay mod because the current still goes into the car then through the ignition switch through the clutch switch then back to the starter.
 

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Oh okay, that's good to know, thanks! Gotta save up to have a shop install and probably overhaul the tranny, no space at home haha.
On a related note is the k1 starter relay mod necessary? Or is it fine to not do it. I know it improves the circuit by reducing the wire length but I wasn't sure if it was 100% necessary but just recommended.
The stock starter relay (with the spot in the driver's kick panel) is there for the clutch interlock system. It bypasses high-current around the clutch start cancel switch. You don't have to change that wiring if you don't want to - you just won't have press the clutch in to start the car (some like it that way).

The starter relay mod is a separate thing - and is wired the same whether you have an auto or a manual trans. It is added in the engine bay near the battery or starter (not stock). That change is up to you.

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Oh okay, that's good to know, thanks! Gotta save up to have a shop install and probably overhaul the tranny, no space at home haha.
On a related note is the k1 starter relay mod necessary? Or is it fine to not do it. I know it improves the circuit by reducing the wire length but I wasn't sure if it was 100% necessary but just recommended.
The stock starter relay (with the spot in the driver's kick panel) is there for the clutch interlock system. It bypasses high-current around the clutch start cancel switch. You don't have to change that wiring if you don't want to - you just won't have press the clutch in to start the car (some like it that way).

The starter relay mod is a separate thing - and is wired the same whether you have an auto or a manual trans. It is added in the engine bay near the battery or starter (not stock). That change is up to you.

-Charlie
So if I'm wanting to use the clutch pedal for car starts do I just pop in the k1 relay? Or do I have to fiddle with the wiring a tad?
I might avoid it if possible, but not pressing the clutch pedal to start and having manual will definitely mess me up hahaha.
 

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So if I'm wanting to use the clutch pedal for car starts do I just pop in the k1 relay? Or do I have to fiddle with the wiring a tad?
I might avoid it if possible, but not pressing the clutch pedal to start and having manual will definitely mess me up hahaha.
If you were installing a manual trans engine harness, it would be plug-n-play. It uses a different pin on the dash to engine harness for the starter solenoid signal. The dash *should* have the wires/plugs in the pedal box area.

If you are just modifying your auto (engine) harness, you will need to cut two wires and solder one connection back together. The specifics depend on year (which pins - the colors stay the same but the connector changed at least once).

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So if I'm wanting to use the clutch pedal for car starts do I just pop in the k1 relay? Or do I have to fiddle with the wiring a tad?
I might avoid it if possible, but not pressing the clutch pedal to start and having manual will definitely mess me up hahaha.
If you were installing a manual trans engine harness, it would be plug-n-play. It uses a different pin on the dash to engine harness for the starter solenoid signal. The dash *should* have the wires/plugs in the pedal box area.

If you are just modifying your auto (engine) harness, you will need to cut two wires and solder one connection back together. The specifics depend on year (which pins - the colors stay the same but the connector changed at least once).

-Charlie
Ok so since I have the manual engine harness/ ecu I should be good then? I'm assuming you mean solely the engine harness and not the dash harness also.
Hopefully I can finish this swap up before the end of the year lol!
 

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Ok so since I have the manual engine harness/ ecu I should be good then? I'm assuming you mean solely the engine harness and not the dash harness also.
Hopefully I can finish this swap up before the end of the year lol!
Yes! Assuming it is the correct year and emissions package. :hi:

Worst case, I'll do my best to help with getting it all matched up.

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Ok so since I have the manual engine harness/ ecu I should be good then? I'm assuming you mean solely the engine harness and not the dash harness also.
Hopefully I can finish this swap up before the end of the year lol!
Yes! Assuming it is the correct year and emissions package. <img src="http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/images/smilies/wave.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Hi" class="inlineimg" />

Worst case, I'll do my best to help with getting it all matched up.

-Charlie
The donor car was a late 89 model Cali plates, mine is a 3/90 model, so I think it should be the same. Iirc the changes didn't happen until post 4/90. Fingers crossed lol!

Another car popped up into the yard so I might snag some of my connectors from there this weekend.

The only thing I'm still not certain on is if just the motor mounts are different or if the brackets they mount on to are different. Since rockauto has mounts for sale (and idm replacing them semi frequently).

Thanks for the constant help though! Things are moving slowly but surely haha.
After I gather parts I might have to save up for a transmission refurb or rebuild, since the one I got has quite a few miles. Not sure if it's necessary though.
 

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The only thing I'm still not certain on is if just the motor mounts are different or if the brackets they mount on to are different. Since rockauto has mounts for sale (and idm replacing them semi frequently).

Thanks for the constant help though! Things are moving slowly but surely haha.
After I gather parts I might have to save up for a transmission refurb or rebuild, since the one I got has quite a few miles. Not sure if it's necessary though.
3 our of the main 4 mounts are on the transmission... I think the front mount is compatible between auto and manual, the rear trans bracket should be on the transmission (or, you should have kept it on the transmission). The manual specific mounts are a bit stiffer, I think? I have most of my recent work (like, last 10+ years) on the e-series trans, so some of my experience might not directly translate.

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The only thing I'm still not certain on is if just the motor mounts are different or if the brackets they mount on to are different. Since rockauto has mounts for sale (and idm replacing them semi frequently).

Thanks for the constant help though! Things are moving slowly but surely haha.
After I gather parts I might have to save up for a transmission refurb or rebuild, since the one I got has quite a few miles. Not sure if it's necessary though.
3 our of the main 4 mounts are on the transmission... I think the front mount is compatible between auto and manual, the rear trans bracket should be on the transmission (or, you should have kept it on the transmission). The manual specific mounts are a bit stiffer, I think? I have most of my recent work (like, last 10+ years) on the e-series trans, so some of my experience might not directly translate.

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Hmm ok, I'll double check. I think another m/t car popped in the yard so I can grab a bracket if need be. Else I can probably make one haha.

The one that concerns me the most is the driverside mount, I think the metal bracket is the same on the m/t and a/t from what I've looked at, and I only need to change the rubber mount hopefully.

Also what's your experience with the aftermarket master cylinders? I'll probably grab an oem one off a car in the yard, but just curious.

Big sidenote, but your beams alltrac went up for sale again, in case you didn't see!
 

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You need the brackets on top of the transmission for sure, the mount itself pretty sure that is the same on the auto tranny. The other brackets I think are the same but not 100%. Aftermarket mounts are junk, all of them. The auto rear mount won't work well for the manual transmission I've tried it allows too much movement. I'm using one from an ST182 Celica last time I checked Toyota still has this or get a used one they are quite beefy and hold up.

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I have memories of both the bracket on the trans and the mount itself (for the top trans mount) are different between auto and manual... but that might be partially due to the fact I'm using the Celica GT4 trans/mount on my Camry... The ears on the chassis are at least the same!

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Ok well I double checked and I have all the brackets, yay!
I don't know if the Celica mounts would work on our cars so I may just grab those from either the junkyard or online. I don't mind replacing them often, but I'll try to get oem ones if possible!
 

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