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Front and rear mount brackets have different part numbers auto/MT. They might be functionally the same, or not.
Hmm okay, that's good to know.
I have brackets on mine, but they're from the Celica, so now that I think about it, it might not be the same lol. I may have to grab some from a donor car then.
 

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Hmm okay, that's good to know.
I have brackets on mine, but they're from the Celica, so now that I think about it, it might not be the same lol. I may have to grab some from a donor car then.
They should be fine. I have Celica stuff on mine! :grin:

If you really are wondering, do a reverse part number lookup on the stuff you are worried about: www.toyodiy.com

-Charlie
 

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Hmm okay, that's good to know.
I have brackets on mine, but they're from the Celica, so now that I think about it, it might not be the same lol. I may have to grab some from a donor car then.
They should be fine. I have Celica stuff on mine! <img src="http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/images/ToyotaNation_2014/smilies/tango_face_grin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />

If you really are wondering, do a reverse part number lookup on the stuff you are worried about: www.toyodiy.com

-Charlie
Oh okay, that's good to know! Thanks haha.
I gotta save that link, lest I forget :lol:
 

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Project has been on indefinite hold while I finish up school haha, and I still need to source a few parts here and there (engine mounts, cv axles and flywheel/ cutch).
I can't remember but do I need different cv axles to use with the s53? Ive read info that says you can use the a/t axles as well as info that says you need the m/t axles haha.
Aside from that is there any clutch kit that would be recommended? Not trying to have a heavy clutch, but wouldn't mind a slightly sportier one since the camry is no longer my daily haha. As for the flywheel, is there any place I should source one? And has anyone thrown an aluminum flywheel into the camry?
 

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Not sure on the 4-cylinder auto/manual axles. On the V6, the auto and manual axles are the same (A540E vs. E52/E153).

Depending on your flywheel bolt pattern, I think you can use 5s-fe flywheel/clutch parts - which opens up lots of options. Unless you are seriously upgrading power, stick with a stock-type clutch or just a mildly upgraded one. Too much extra force required makes daily driving a little annoying - I'll be stepping down a bit on clutch 'level' for my next 3s-gte clutch. I've always trusted Exedy if not getting OEM.

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Not sure on the 4-cylinder auto/manual axles. On the V6, the auto and manual axles are the same (A540E vs. E52/E153).

Depending on your flywheel bolt pattern, I think you can use 5s-fe flywheel/clutch parts - which opens up lots of options. Unless you are seriously upgrading power, stick with a stock-type clutch or just a mildly upgraded one. Too much extra force required makes daily driving a little annoying - I'll be stepping down a bit on clutch 'level' for my next 3s-gte clutch. I've always trusted Exedy if not getting OEM.

-Charlie
Okay, thanks! I'll have to look more into the axles, but I might end up ordering new ones anyways, since these axles have taken a beating over the past 150k miles haha. Any brand you recommend? Or try to get oem ones?
I might end up reusing them for the m/t if I can for a short time (and if they fit), just because it would be difficult to have more parts to store at the moment.
As for the flywheel, you're referring to the 6 or 8 bolt correct? I think being a 1990 I should have an 8bolt? Not certain on which cars have different patterns though. I might have an aluminum flywheel machined regardless, since it's what my uncle and dads machine shop does :LOL:

And I'll probably go for a mildly upgraded clutch, because it won't be my daily anymore! That and using my es250s clutchfeel as a reference, they feel pretty nice and comfortable.
 

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The ES250 (and V6 Camry) have a spring assisted clutch pedal which lowers pedal effort. The 4-cylinder setup doesn't, so not 100% comparable.

I'd trust 150k mile OEM axles over any new aftermarket axles. If you are concerned, get new OEM boot kits and 'rebuild' your current axles that way. I rotate through aftermarket axles every few years it seems (fronts, same as V6 outers) and my rears are original... Make sure they fit in the trans now as a first check. Worst case, you can use your auto axles as cores for manual trans axles.

And yes, I was talking about the 6 vs 8 bolt crank issue. Remember an aluminum flywheel still has a steel friction surface, so it isn't a simple machining job... A mildly lightened all-steel flywheel works well though and should be available for a 5s-fe.

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The ES250 (and V6 Camry) have a spring assisted clutch pedal which lowers pedal effort. The 4-cylinder setup doesn't, so not 100% comparable.

I'd trust 150k mile OEM axles over any new aftermarket axles. If you are concerned, get new OEM boot kits and 'rebuild' your current axles that way. I rotate through aftermarket axles every few years it seems (fronts, same as V6 outers) and my rears are original... Make sure they fit in the trans now as a first check. Worst case, you can use your auto axles as cores for manual trans axles.

And yes, I was talking about the 6 vs 8 bolt crank issue. Remember an aluminum flywheel still has a steel friction surface, so it isn't a simple machining job... A mildly lightened all-steel flywheel works well though and should be available for a 5s-fe.

-Charlie
Ah okay, that makes sense then. I'll probably opt for a very mildly upgraded street clutch if I go a sportier route then.

As for my axles I was hoping to swap them over yeah, I had to redo the passenger side boots because they were showing signs of aging (surface cracks on the rubber). If the auto ones don't fit I can probably source some oem ones without too much hassle, otherwise I'll be scrolling through rock auto :LOL:


Yeah I do know about that, my family's shop fully puts together flywheels in conjunction with another shop for racing/ performance applications! So there wouldn't be a problem making it luckily. But if nobody else has opted for one, I might leave it as just a potential future upgrade and stick with a regular one. Any recommendations on a brand for flywheels? Since there seems to be a large variety available.
 

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Yeah I do know about that, my family's shop fully puts together flywheels in conjunction with another shop for racing/ performance applications! So there wouldn't be a problem making it luckily. But if nobody else has opted for one, I might leave it as just a potential future upgrade and stick with a regular one. Any recommendations on a brand for flywheels? Since there seems to be a large variety available.
I actually run a Fidanza aluminum flywheel in my Alltrac. I've had it out once and replaced the friction surface at that time, so far it is fine. If you are going full steel (even lightened), anything will work. My problems are with the throw out bearing... it squeaks something awful. I made the mistake of not using an OEM throw out bearing. Not worth dropping the engine just for a squeaky/squaky throw out bearing though, but I am almost looking forward to dropping the engine/trans to fix it.

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I actually run a Fidanza aluminum flywheel in my Alltrac. I've had it out once and replaced the friction surface at that time, so far it is fine. If you are going full steel (even lightened), anything will work. My problems are with the throw out bearing... it squeaks something awful. I made the mistake of not using an OEM throw out bearing. Not worth dropping the engine just for a squeaky/squaky throw out bearing though, but I am almost looking forward to dropping the engine/trans to fix it.

-Charlie
Hmm..maybe I'll give some thought into having a second flywheel in case haha.
Luckily there is an oem bearing still on the trans I got, though the trans has 220k miles, not sure what I should be looking to replace on it lolol. Seems to have been resealed after a service at some point though..

Slightly offtopic, but there are a few places that make SS braided brake lines, but only for the v6, would the fronts fit on the 4cyl? I'm trying to maximize the stock brake performance (looking for good pads/ rotors, lines and brake fluid) since I lost my brakes on the downhill at lake arrowhead, as well as major fade on the azusa downhill. That was scary lol.
 

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Hmm..maybe I'll give some thought into having a second flywheel in case haha.
Luckily there is an oem bearing still on the trans I got, though the trans has 220k miles, not sure what I should be looking to replace on it lolol. Seems to have been resealed after a service at some point though..

Slightly offtopic, but there are a few places that make SS braided brake lines, but only for the v6, would the fronts fit on the 4cyl? I'm trying to maximize the stock brake performance (looking for good pads/ rotors, lines and brake fluid) since I lost my brakes on the downhill at lake arrowhead, as well as major fade on the azusa downhill. That was scary lol.
Replace all the clutch-related components - flywheel, pressure plate, clutch and throwout bearing. Go OEM on the bearing and name brand on everything else (or OEM works). Clean lube the shifter fork. Lightly lube the area where the throwout bearing slides. The clutch master/slave is easy to replace later if necessary, so no worries there.

Front "V6" lines work great on the 4-cylinder. You'd at least get half the pedal-feel improvements that way. Flush the brake fluid with a synthetic fluid (you should be doing that every 3 years, regardless). Get good quality pads (OEM, Advics, Akebono or Centric from what I see on RockAuto). Rotors are less important, but I'd lean towards OEM if still available, and it looks like Centric is the best brand still available on RockAuto. You'll get most of the improvement from the right pads and fresh brake fluid.

-Charlie
 
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