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Hi fellas, I usually troll but created a new profile specifically to express frustration with my current situation. Please read:

I bought my 2016 FRS this time last year intentionally looking for a uniquelly badass car. After several days negotiating I finally drove off the lot after dark one night. Felt like hot stuff driving away with a brand new Scion, custom stainless Borlas, spoiler and dark tint. But something in the back of my mind was telling me it's too good to be true. The sales guy ensured me the heavy rattling sound I heard was the Borlas warm up..

Next day I inspected my vehicle again and noticed two large oval shaped gouges on the top of the trunk looks like razor blades used to remove two stickers...FUCK!

They tried buffing it out but after fighting because 'technically I drove it home already' I left very upset. Fast forward to last week. That rattling noise is now unmistakable and very annoying. Gouged paint still there, and now the rear hatch tint is rolling down the virgin back seat. FUCK FUCK!!

Sales manager says it's not a loose heat shield, the whole fucking exhaust is bent! They have no record of after market exhaust or tint installation so I pull out my lot sticker from purchase. Installation done by Gulf States Toyota Distributor. Dealership is willing to fix the problems under warranty but heres the deal. Those Borlas are STAINLESS and made specifically for this car. No cutting/welding or shitty bend job is going to make me happy. I won't settle for less than a full replacement. What does a girl do????
 

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1) People are either badass or they're not.. cars are just metal and rubber
2) Stainless exhausts always have problems, iron and mild steel work best for these components, hence why new car manufacturers don't use stainless for exhaust components
3) I'd recommend going to a stock exhaust for longevity


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I don't know. My Venza has factory stainless steel exhaust. My 01 Mustang has factory installed stainless steel exhaust. My old Ford ranger had aftermarket stainless steel exhaust installed without a problem.
If your car came with factory installed stainless steel exhaust then it should be under warranty. If it is aftermarket installed by the dealer then it should be covered by the dealer.
 

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I would Call Toyota Customer care and start a case. Dealers are usually quicker to resolve issues started this way..

Going from a Gulf States area to a NON-gulf states area sucks for owners and usually no one is aware that GST or SET exist in this way. Up in the north, we loath cars from these areas because everything is aftermarket, but still has to be warrantied. The dealer you bought the car from still has an obligation to warranty the parts to some degree as they sold them new on the car, it just isn't as easy for them as it would be a GST dealer.

The problem you're going to have is that the car has physical damage which is not covered by a warranty. You're kind of at the mercy of the dealer, who is sort of telling you it's not their problem. If they are willing to warranty the parts, run with it, just let them know your expectations up front. :) If it's not fixed to your satisfaction, then get Toyota Corp involved....

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other options are as follows........

On the exhaust, your other option would be to have an exhaust specialist attempt to repair the bent piping.

Have the rear tint replaced at a reputable shop of your choosing.

Get a Carbon Fiber Hatch. ;)
 

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1) People are either badass or they're not.. cars are just metal and rubber
2) Stainless exhausts always have problems, iron and mild steel work best for these components, hence why new car manufacturers don't use stainless for exhaust components
3) I'd recommend going to a stock exhaust for longevity


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1: This is your opinion, as is an owners view of their own car.

2: Ford has been using stainless exhaust for a long time. Many other companies do the same, Iron and Steel rust, causing holes in the piping, just like ugly tube steps you see rotting off of trucks. The only weak point of a stainless exhaust is the welds. This statement is baseless and clearly not fact checked.

3: The longevity of exhaust is only as good as the materials used. Some aftermarket exhaust far exceeds the quality of OE piping.
 

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1: This is your opinion, as is an owners view of their own car.

2: Ford has been using stainless exhaust for a long time. Many other companies do the same, Iron and Steel rust, causing holes in the piping, just like ugly tube steps you see rotting off of trucks. The only weak point of a stainless exhaust is the welds. This statement is baseless and clearly not fact checked.

3: The longevity of exhaust is only as good as the materials used. Some aftermarket exhaust far exceeds the quality of OE piping.

1) Really? That was my opinion?

2) 95% of ALL auto manufacturers use cast iron for the manifold, and mild steel for the exhaust components. 95%. Period. FORD's 'stainless steel' is of such low-grade that it is merley a marketing point for potential customers... and seriously.. it's a Ford... so I'm sure it's super-uber top quality under there :laugh:

3) Stainless steel is brittle garbage. Ford's 'barley stanless' steel is 'barley stainless' to keep its STRENGTH and durability... again 95% of car makers use cast-iron and mild-steel for exhaust systems to keep them from breaking apart...

doesn't mattery if were talking a stainless screw, bolt, fork, or exhaust component.. it's tensile strength is well-known to be EXTREMELY POOR.. this is why stainless fasteners aren't used on cars... they'd snap apart... of course people use stainless bolts on thier aftermarket stainless exhaust systems, have them snap apart and learn the hard way to go back to mild-steel and call it a day:x



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1) Really? That was my opinion?

2) 95% of ALL auto manufacturers use cast iron for the manifold, and mild steel for the exhaust components. 95%. Period. FORD's 'stainless steel' is of such low-grade that it is merley a marketing point for potential customers... and seriously.. it's a Ford... so I'm sure it's super-uber top quality under there :laugh:

in 95% of car makers use cast-iron and mild-steel for exhaust systems to keep them from breaking apart...

doesn't mattery if were talking a stainless screw, bolt, fork, or exhaust component.. it's tensile strength is well-known to be EXTREMELY POOR.. this is why stainless fasteners aren't used on cars... they'd snap apart... of course people use stainless bolts on thier aftermarket stainless exhaust systems, have them snap apart and learn the hard way to go back to mild-steel and call it a day:x



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Blackness, thanks but I wasn't really talking about crappy Ford parts. Are you familiar with Borla? Toyota puts them on several models.
 

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As I wrote in the very first sentence. My Toyota Venza has a stainless exhaust from the factory. The mention of other vehicles I have owned or do own was to show that stainless exhaust are not bad.


Was the Borla exhaust an option or was it an aftermarket thing that the dealer put on the car. If you have the window sticker you can see what came with the car from the factory and then what the dealer installed. An example would be the window tint is probably not factory. So there would be a note and line with the price on it. If you don't have the window sticker then you can search on line for window sticker and using your cars VIN you can see what came from the factory.
 

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1) Really? That was my opinion?

2) 95% of ALL auto manufacturers use cast iron for the manifold, and mild steel for the exhaust components. 95%. Period. FORD's 'stainless steel' is of such low-grade that it is merley a marketing point for potential customers... and seriously.. it's a Ford... so I'm sure it's super-uber top quality under there :laugh:

3) Stainless steel is brittle garbage. Ford's 'barley stanless' steel is 'barley stainless' to keep its STRENGTH and durability... again 95% of car makers use cast-iron and mild-steel for exhaust systems to keep them from breaking apart...

doesn't mattery if were talking a stainless screw, bolt, fork, or exhaust component.. it's tensile strength is well-known to be EXTREMELY POOR.. this is why stainless fasteners aren't used on cars... they'd snap apart... of course people use stainless bolts on thier aftermarket stainless exhaust systems, have them snap apart and learn the hard way to go back to mild-steel and call it a day:x



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And here we go......

1: yes, it is your opinion. Humans are proteins, fats, water, etc....

2: Exhaust doesn't need to be flexible/malleable. Exhaust's strong point isn't it's high tensile strength.
Cast iron is extremely brittle in this regard, but you pointed it out for me, that's what most manufacturers use as OE, but not what you see on performance upgrades. What stainless still IS is resistant to corrosion. That's why it's used on exhaust systems. The heat that exhaust systems handle caused NON-stainless rust to oxidize quicker and fail faster then stainless steel. This is why performance companies use stainless in their systems. Borla, Remus, Waldron, etc.. Even Magnaflow and Walker use stainless in certain applications.

3 Rip on ford's stainless all you want. you can still find Ford Tempos from the early 90s that have rotted to the ground with the OE exhaust still on them.
 

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Blackness, thanks but I wasn't really talking about crappy Ford parts. Are you familiar with Borla? Toyota puts them on several models.
Nissan Motor Sports(Nismo) uses re-branded Borla exhaust for some of the high end application too.
 

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3 Rip on ford's stainless all you want. you can still find Ford Tempos from the early 90s that have rotted to the ground with the OE exhaust still on them.


Ford used stainless on the dual exhaust for the crown vic police cars, which also means there are few taxi cabs that have stainless exhausts on them.
 

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If this person uses the same type language at the dealer she uses in her original post the chances of cooperation are greatly reduced.
 

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Southeast Toyota Distributors, originated in FL by the (billionaires) Moran family, takes the cars into their facility and loads them up with overpriced, often worthless "accessories" such as "paint sealer".
My Gen 1 Camry ate exhaust systems-- 3 new ones in less than 10 years. Never have replaced one on a Gen 4 in over 15 years. Obviously something is different.
 

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IF .. and I do mean "IF" stainless is soooo wonderful and awesome and durable, THEN THIS THREAD SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST... right? OP is having trouble with a stainless exhaust.. right? OP: Keep it then! :) Be sure to update what the dealer does to 'fix' the issue...
 

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IF .. and I do mean "IF" stainless is soooo wonderful and awesome and durable, THEN THIS THREAD SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST... right? OP is having trouble with a stainless exhaust.. right? OP: Keep it then! :) Be sure to update what the dealer does to 'fix' the issue...

You did read her post? The exhaust is BENT. It could be from the factory that way, or a poor installation, or maybe somebody drove over something that bent it, or maybe even an accident.
 

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IF .. and I do mean "IF" stainless is soooo wonderful and awesome and durable, THEN THIS THREAD SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST... right? OP is having trouble with a stainless exhaust.. right? OP: Keep it then! :) Be sure to update what the dealer does to 'fix' the issue...
If you have read the OP, you'd recall the problem was physical damage on a newly purchased car, not what the exhaust was made from.
 

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Update: There's actually no damage. After looking myself, a design issue is causing the loud rattle. The two pipes cross over each. Borla has offered to replace the system and insists this is the first time they've heard of this problem. Whats the point if the design is the same? Dealership has offered to order TRD cat backs. For those that appreciate stainless, whats your preference and has any one else experienced this problem??? I cant be the only one.

https://goo.gl/photos/Dj6umgcet5camkvP8
https://www.amazon.com/Cat-Back-Exhaust-System-Genuine-Toyota/dp/B009KT2GQI
 

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Thanks for the update. Go on youtube and find the exhaust that has the sound you like. Is the dealer going to give you the TRD exhaust for free?
 

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Thanks for the update. Go on youtube and find the exhaust that has the sound you like. Is the dealer going to give you the TRD exhaust for free?
Yes, free. My car is still within bumper to bumper warranty. And i agree its a really dumb design.. apparently this particular model has been discontinued but I havent researched it.
 
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