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DIY camry lower ball joint replacement in situ *PICS*

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*** Do NOT attempt this if your car's suspension is badly rusted or you may run into serious trouble! ***

Pre-requisites (based on tools I use):
-21mm deep wall impact socket (for wheel lug nut loosening/removal/re-installation) + a 3/8'' drill with 1/2'' socket adapter and/or with a 1/2'' dr torque wrench
-12mm socket 3/8'' drive (for brake line bracket on strut)
-17mm socket 1/2'' drive (for caliper bracket bolts to knuckle and ball joint bolts/nuts to Lower Control Arm) - a 3'' or 4'' extension comes in handy
-19mm crowfoot 3/8'' drive like this set from HFT, with an adapter from 3/8'' dr to to 1/2'' dr (90ft-lbs calls for 1/2'' dr torque wrench)
NOTE: if you are using or planning to use aftermarket ball joints, then you will need a 22mm (for Beck & Arnley BJ) or 25mm (for Moog BJ) combo wrench or proper crowfoot for torquing it down (or loosening if you have them on car now)
-4'' extension 3/8'' drive (for 19mm crowfoot)
NOTE: for this job to work flawlessly you NEED a 1/2'' dr torque wrench being able to work in both forward and reverse direction!
-needle nose pointed pliers (for cotter pins)
-16oz home repair hammer is handy for bending cotter pins legs or hammering on pliers or pins to push/pull them out
-ball joint separator (with side arms like this one from HFT)
NOTE: a Pitman Arm puller or Tie Rod End puller WILL NOT work here
-19mm combo wrench with long handle (open end for initial tightening/loosening of castle nut, box end will be handy for ball joint separator bolt), this metric wrench set from HFT is great
-PB Blaster for rusted/seized bolts/nuts
-paper towels & rubbing alcohol (isopropyl alcohol) to clean things up from old spilled grease
-small wire brush to clean off the rust (optional)
-1/2'' breaker bar (totally optional, I used my 1/2'' click-stop torque wrench to loosen what I needed)

You might consider borrowing those tools from Autozone or O'Reilly in case things go wrong and you need to unbolt the whole steering knuckle (just loosen the castle nut on ball joint first if possible, easy to do with knuckle still bolted on while using a long handle wrench):
-1/2'' breaker bar 2 feet long
-1/2'' torque wrench going up to 250ft-lbs
-22mm or 23mm 1/2'' dr socket for knuckle to strut nuts (162ft-lbs torque on Solara)
-30mm 1/2'' dr axle nut socket (217ft-lbs torque)
-Front Axle Puller (makes it a snap to remove the knuckle off the axle after it's been unbolted).

Click-stop torque wrenches used here were both from HFT:
3/8'' drive
1/2'' drive

gen4 Torque specs:
-caliper bracket bolts: 79ft-lbs
-brake hose bracket to strut: 22ft-lbs
-ball joint:
a) lower 17mm nuts/bolt: 94ft-lbs
b) 19mm OEM (or 22mm B&A BJ or 25mm on MOOG BJ) castle nut: 90ft-lbs
-alloy wheels lug nuts: 77ft-lbs
-steel wheels lug nuts: 100ft-lbs

Steps:
1. Loosen the wheel lug nuts.

2. Jack up ONE corner of front end and secure it with a jack stand if possible.
YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE OTHER WHEEL ON THE GROUND! (learned it the hard way).

3. Remove the wheel on corner you are working on.

4. Unbolt the brake hose bracket 12mm bolt from the strut.

5. Unbolt the caliper with its bracket (2 17mm bolts) and pull it out of rotor. Once the brake hose is unbolted from the strut, you can rest the caliper on the ground (if car is raised low, but enough for wheels to be off the ground, using a 2t compact jack here).

6. slide out the rotor and rest it against the wall somewhere (do NOT put it flat on ground, to avoid collecting dirt and pieces of rocks!)
You should end up having something similar to this:


7. use pliers (and hammer on it if necessary) to bend and remove the old cotter pins from the old ball joint castle nut.

8. loosen the 19mm (OEM) / 25mm (MOOG in picture, used actually a 1-1/16'' combo wrench to loosen it) castle nut so it spins freely. Loosen it until it touches the dust shield deflector ring right above it.
NOTE: you NEED the other wheel to touch the ground now! it won't work if you raised the whole front axle up (things will just start turning on both sides).


9. remove 2 nuts and 1 bolt (all 17mm) on the bottom of ball joint.

10. Pry down on the LCA until you are able to slide the bottom of ball joint out of holes and put it UNDER the LCA (you may need to turn ball joint body to sides to achieve that, I had to, it should turn to sides easily), like this (pic taken before swinging the ball joint bracket under the LCA):

Note: the scissor jack supporting the spindle is totally optional and actually unneeded as the knuckle is still bolted to the strut, nothing is coming apart so skip that.

11. Use the ball joint separator like in picture to lock it on the castle nut (loosened) and right below the steering knuckle arm, tighten the 19mm bolt until you hear a LOUD POP which will create a noise ringing in your ears for 5 seconds ;) - that means the ball joint has popped out from the knuckle :)


SPECIAL THANKS TO PMESFUN ON BRILLIANT SUGGESTION ON HOW TO DO THIS! :thumbsup:

12. remove the castle nut pulling the ball joint down at same time, eventually it will come off and you should be able to swing the old ball joint out:
FR side:


FL side reference pic:


13. clean things a bit with paper towels and/or alcohol and wire brushes (rust).

14. insert the new ball joint and catch it with the new castle nut until snug.

15. pry down on the LCA to insert (may need to turn the ball joint body to sides) the new ball joint into the LCA holes, once there, tighten them ALL to specs (17mm nuts+bolt all at 94ft-lbs)

16. tighten the BJ castle nut to specs using 19mm combo wrench and eventually the 19mm crowfoot on the extension and torque wrench (NOTE: access it from bottom and the front bumper side, accessing from top or the other side will NOT work unless you have the swivel extensions, I don't)

When tightening the new castle nut to specs with a crowfoot, extension and a torque wrench, generally you need to put it from the bottom (torque wrench on reverse setting), and on the front bumper side and it will work fine.

here is an example video how to do this:

17. once the new castle nut has been tightened to 90ft-lbs you may notice that the cotter pin holes are NOT aligned anymore. That's OK! The torque is needed to insert the cone shaped ball stud into the steering knuckle hole, not to hold it down. You can loosen the nut now, e.g. with a 19mm open end wrench until holes get aligned, insert the cotter pins and lock it. Then tighten the castle nut until snug (doesn't need to be 90ft-lbs anymore, nothing is going anywhere anyways).
*official guides say that the cotter pin should be inserted ONLY if holes are lined up at or above the OEM specs.
I did it this way for the castle nuts on outer tie rod ends (was initially ending up half way between slots when using OEM torque, not always though and only on old tie rods, new ones lined up instantly), but the ball joints castle nuts lined up "almost" (literally 0.5mm past the ideal slot position after 90ft-lbs was applied, could be that precision of my 1/2'' dr torque wrench was coming into play here), tried tightening more to the next slot, but it was impossible to do with my setup, it called for waaaay more torque than 3/8'' crowfoot or extension/adapter could handle before breaking apart, so I did it my way (loosen the nut to insert the pin, then tighten it to snug).
Another explanation could be that 90ft-lbs has already seated the stud fully into the taper and there was no way to tighten the castle nut more (and pull the stud higher at same time), because it was already fully seated. Consider this if you come across the same trouble.


PIC of new FR side OEM ball joint installed:


PIC of new FL side OEM ball joint installed:


18. Re-install rest of stuff in reverse order and ENJOY YOUR NEW BALL JOINTS installed with no hassle of steering knuckle removal and using a bench vice and/or replacing the deflector dust shield (old one may get broken this way)! :D

19. Test drive the car and Have a cold one later :chug:

Reference pic of an old ball joint (driver side, 6-month old Moog ball joint in pic):


EDIT:
Reference pics from doing ball joint job on 13yrs old '00 Solara (old OEM ball joint) in passenger side, the more interesting one as I ended up having to unbolt the steering knuckle:



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you're right. they probably used the ball joint removal example as a procedure for the whole steering knuckle removal at the same time... anyways, they have good procedures (mostly)... can't say that about Haynes ... those are terrible clear as mud instructions with dozens of unnecessary steps everywhere :facepalm:

A note on the FSM. They sometimes will show a very complicated procedure to do what would seem like a simple job, they do this because they have to put the entire disassembly procedure somewhere, rather than repeat themselves over and over again in the manual (well this happens anyway). So it's up to you to decide what part of the procedure you need to do, you don't necessarily have to follow the entire section verbatim.
updated step 17 with notes regarding cotter pin's holes lining up (or not).
so I re-checked the 4-wheel alignment (lifetime) today at Firestone.

and short answer is yes, you need to re-do the alignment after replacing ball joints, even without removing the steering knuckle like I did.

both front Toe values got thrown into negative, FL -0.14in and FR -0.16in (spec range is -0.05in to 0.06in) from former values of FL 0.01in and FR -0.02in respectively.

Actual (after) Toe values are now FL 0.02in and FR 0.01in.

all other things were in specs (green), but only the individual Toe and Total Toe was standing out in red. Total Toe before the alignment in Firestone today was at -0.29in, after it is 0.02in.
soon, will be removing front V6 calipers (and rotors too) while painting them, so I can take an example video (if I don't forget) on how you have to use the torque wrench with extension and crow foot to make it work like it did for me in this DIY.
What procedure are you going to take on painting the calipers?
simplified ghetto method :D

in short, unbolt caliper, unbolt bracket, remove pads from caliper, clean things up a bit (wire brush plus caliper cleaner), cover all rubber pieces (including brake hose connector) with masking tape, plug holes with paper towels and finally spray the hell out of it on the ground under car :D

What procedure are you going to take on painting the calipers?
simplified ghetto method :D

in short, unbolt caliper, unbolt bracket, remove pads from caliper, clean things up a bit (wire brush plus caliper cleaner), cover all rubber pieces (including brake hose connector) with masking tape, plug holes with paper towels and finally spray the hell out of it on the ground under car :D
Haha, I see you're trying to avoid the bleeding process.;)

I can't wait to get the twin calipers and new pads/rotors. I had to stop from 65-0mph in a matter of seconds and I was not impressed with the performance. In fact I was pretty sure I was going to rear end the car in front of me.:thumbsdow
LOL :lol: yeah, that's my secondary goal ;) I'm fed up with bleeding brakes on this car ... have done it like a dozen times in past year ... it wouldn't hurt to bleed it one more time though hehe, but I don't even think about detaching the caliper from lines ... too much bleeding trouble later on... not to mention the mess after that.

get some Street Performance pads with your new rotors (maybe Centric Cryo slotted?), they DO make a difference over OE pads. I have them on both cars (low-dusting Akebono SP and heavy-dusting Hawk HPS) and those things saved my life (and car's shape) a few times already. Mind that I'm still on factory rotors (just resurfaced) on both cars.

Haha, I see you're trying to avoid the bleeding process.;)

I can't wait to get the twin calipers and new pads/rotors. I had to stop from 65-0mph in a matter of seconds and I was not impressed with the performance. In fact I was pretty sure I was going to rear end the car in front of me.:thumbsdow
LOL :lol: yeah, that's my secondary goal ;) I'm fed up with bleeding brakes on this car ... have done it like a dozen times in past year ... it wouldn't hurt to bleed it one more time though hehe, but I don't even think about detaching the caliper from lines ... too much bleeding trouble later on... not to mention the mess after that.

get some Street Performance pads with your new rotors (maybe Centric Cryo slotted?), they DO make a difference over OE pads. I have them on both cars (low-dusting Akebono SP and heavy-dusting Hawk HPS) and those things saved my life (and car's shape) a few times already. Mind that I'm still on factory rotors (just resurfaced) on both cars.
I think the ProACT should be ok for my driving style, recently Toyota(the had the AK XXXetc number printed on them) were pads put on my friend's ES300 had a very nice bite to them. The pedal doesn't have to travel nearly as far to start slowing down the car in comparison to mine. With the better calipers that should give the restored original, if not better performance.
yeah, with twin piston calipers, it should be allrighty.

we got off the topic a tad here ;)

I think the ProACT should be ok for my driving style, recently Toyota(the had the AK XXXetc number printed on them) were pads put on my friend's ES300 had a very nice bite to them. The pedal doesn't have to travel nearly as far to start slowing down the car in comparison to mine. With the better calipers that should give the restored original, if not better performance.
Hey Fen
You mentioned you used OEM's to replace the Moogs,....just wondering if you went with straight Toyota OEM's??
yes. I ordered them online from Gary (Toyota of Newnan, Georgia), you can send him a PM, he's a member here (TOYOPARTSMAN).

Hey Fen
You mentioned you used OEM's to replace the Moogs,....just wondering if you went with straight Toyota OEM's??
updated step 16 with a video on how to use a 3/8'' crow foot (19mm size in example) with an extension and a 1/2'' torque wrench to tighten the new ball joint's castle nut.
Hi fenixus,

Thank you for your write up and I am pretty sure it helped and will help a lot of people like me. Indeed, I had a bad ball joint on my '04 sienna and gave it a try over the weekend since the sienna ball joint assembly looks just like your camry. I had problems from the beginning with castle nut. I ended up cutting the castle nut with saw(took me roughly 2 1/2 hours for cutting). I didn't have the ball joint separator so I bought a pickle fork from local pepboys and wacked it for good couple hours. It didn't work. I went out and bought a propane torch. It didn't work. Finally, I got the ball joint tool just like your from HFT. It didn't work. I think because it had no grip on top since there was no castle nut around the bolt. Total hours I work over weekend was over 20 hours within 3 days. I am so frustrated and need your help desperatly.
Thanks in advance.

Jason/penguin4718
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the BJ separator should work regardless, no matter if there is a castle nut or not on the stud ... unless it was slipping off under load.

what happens when you tighten on separator 19mm bolt with it attached like I did in picture?

if you still having trouble, then I think the only way out is to unbolt the whole steering knuckle and bring it to a local shop (avoid chain stores though, except for NAPA authorized repair centers) and let them handle it, they can charge some fee of course.

take a look at those instructions on removing the whole steering knuckle (along with the stuck ball joint) off the car:
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255035

Hi fenixus,

Thank you for your write up and I am pretty sure it helped and will help a lot of people like me. Indeed, I had a bad ball joint on my '04 sienna and gave it a try over the weekend since the sienna ball joint assembly looks just like your camry. I had problems from the beginning with castle nut. I ended up cutting the castle nut with saw(took me roughly 2 1/2 hours for cutting). I didn't have the ball joint separator so I bought a pickle fork from local pepboys and wacked it for good couple hours. It didn't work. I went out and bought a propane torch. It didn't work. Finally, I got the ball joint tool just like your from HFT. It didn't work. I think because it had no grip on top since there was no castle nut around the bolt. Total hours I work over weekend was over 20 hours within 3 days. I am so frustrated and need your help desperatly.
Thanks in advance.

Jason/penguin4718
Penguin - just do exactly what the picture on page 1 shows. The HFT remover's form is on the ball joint side of the knuckle, and the single lever end is right on top of the threaded ball stud and pushes the threaded stud out of the knuckle.

You want to keep the castle nut loose but on the stud so it doesn't separate too forcefully.
Thanks for your quick reply fenixus. As I mentioned, the castle nut is not there anymore. I cut that off with cutting saw because the castle nut would not turn at all from the beginning and was stripped with 19mm wrench. When I was using the HFT separator like you did in the picture the top lever of the separator actually slipped off(chipped the top of the threaded bolt) because there is not much room in between without castle nut. I wonder if there is any other option besides the knuckle removal.
I am also afraid of trouble with knuckle removal(I guess I am paranoid after 20+ hours of one ball joint, lol). Btw, I even tried the geometry way that some people suceeded with ratchet handle. no luck on that also.

penguin4718
If you have a vice grips that you don't care about you can clamp it on the top of the ball joint threads to act as a nut, make sure its really tight.
Thank you guys for info. I finally gave up after 4 straight days of wrestling with this and I took my sienna to local pepboys. They were asking $115.00 just for labor since I had my part. The mechanic took only 15 minutes with air tool for replacement. Made the job looks sooooo easy. Luckly, the mechanic only charged me $38.00 since it was easier job since there was no castle nut with my effort. Gave him $10.00 tip. Everyone is happy.
end of the story.

Thanks again for your info.

Penguin4718
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