My Toyota Care is expired... no more free tire rotation. I want to do it in my driveway. Is the front-to rear tire rotation the correct way to rotate the tire? My HL XLE has a compact spare. So I believe I can do either rearward cross, x-pattern or forward cross for 4 tire rotation. I can't find anything in owner's manual. What do the manufacturer recommend?
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I think Discount Tire/America's Tire will rotate your tires for free just to earn your business. I know Les Schwab will. If the tires are wearing evenly, I'd do front to back, no X.
First general info. For directional tires, it is only front to back. Else, front to back or X is acceptable. I have seen both in the manual of honda and toyota of various years. As mentioned above, if even wear, front to back is best.
As for the default oem, most are not directional. Either way will work. As for choosing a particular shop, any place cheap is fine (its just swapping tires). Or you can have it done when you get your oil change, unless you do that yourself. Sometimes if your oil change place is a regular, they might even do it for free. As for doing yourself, its a good idea because you will save time and money.
As for the default oem, most are not directional. Either way will work. As for choosing a particular shop, any place cheap is fine (its just swapping tires). Or you can have it done when you get your oil change, unless you do that yourself. Sometimes if your oil change place is a regular, they might even do it for free. As for doing yourself, its a good idea because you will save time and money.
I was thinking of getting a decent wheeled jack from HF myself. One more thing to store! But, I do my own oil, but I use the Rhino ramps. I think its quicker or "safer" than jacking and then using stands I have to adjust to make sure and slowly lower, etc, etc. Ramps you set in front and just drive up.
But, when times comes to do the brakes, I either will use the stock jack or have a floor jack from HF. Just wondering if worth it and storing ideas. Hmmm
If I had space I would get a pallet jack and raise the entire car to do all 4 wheels without rejacking
Not! that wouldnt work.
Well, I guess I shall wait and see. I don't find it safe to just use the jack and go under the car without jack stands. For tire rotation alone, I surely see how it can speed things up.
But, when times comes to do the brakes, I either will use the stock jack or have a floor jack from HF. Just wondering if worth it and storing ideas. Hmmm
If I had space I would get a pallet jack and raise the entire car to do all 4 wheels without rejacking
Not! that wouldnt work.Well, I guess I shall wait and see. I don't find it safe to just use the jack and go under the car without jack stands. For tire rotation alone, I surely see how it can speed things up.
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IMO, I've used and abused the 4ton pittsburg floor jack for years in a shop and it was fine (seals were holding up fine). For the price, its fantastic. My craftsman 3ton I have at home is holding up alright I guess after about 5-6 years. The pump piston (not the main piston, but the pumping arm one) seal is slightly leaking, and its rusting up pretty good where I've dragged it through gravel (knocking off paint/powdercoating) then used it in a wet field a few times. But its also holding up fairly well. Still HF jacks and their other hydraulic tools are fantastic of the money IMO.
Oh and 4 ton jack stands and a floor jack any day of the week over plastic ramps....
Oh and 4 ton jack stands and a floor jack any day of the week over plastic ramps....
Is it wrong for me to plan to use the jack that the HL came with? For my Camry and my xB tha's what I used. I rigged a socket so that it would connect to my drill so I could raise and lower the vehicle quickly and that worked well on them. But the HL is a bit heavier than they are, so am I inviting problems if I use its jack when my free wheel rotation is over and I'm back to doing it myself?
You can. But, need another jack to make it easier on yourself rotating one side at a time. Think about it.
Yeah; I use two jacks with the xB. The Camry was easier as it had a full-sized spare, so I'd move from wheel to wheel rotating as I went in an X pattern with the last wheel removed going back into the trunk.
Is this AWD or FWD? It really doesn't matter since it's not full-time AWD so rarely would it be used I suspect.
Also, please use good jack stands!
Also, please use good jack stands!
Can you help define what a "good" jack stand might be? Maybe easier to help identify bad ones?
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Yup, it'll work fine. Its just one is a lot faster and far FAR more universal/stable than the other
If it barely meets capacity (remember the rating is for the pair, not individual) and the welds look like swiss cheese (mainly this, typical bad mig welds are super obvious, though too little penetration is harder to spot if you don't weld), don't touch it with a 10' pole. Most are ok, its just the super cheap stuff is super sketchy. And its overkill but I wouldn't use anything less than 3tons as the primary support for the car.
Ok, you got me wanting to try a wheeled floor jack.
I have 4ton jackstands already, and they looked pretty good.
So will be getting a jack soon.....
HF has about 10 different jacks!!
Geez. You need a degree to figure their pricing out....
69227/62116/62584, $89.99 ($74.99 with coupon, 3Day black Friday for $67.88) Heavy Duty (now just a marketing term) Steel 3ton
62326/61253/61282, $99.99 ($79.99 with coupon) Heavy Duty Steel 3ton Low Profile
All are 5"-18.25" lift
(Amazon has these for $56, but the shipping isn't free with Prime)
60706/62319/68056, $129.99, Steel 4ton
Aluminum 3ton /62248 $169.99
lifts from 3.75"-19.25"
And another
Dayton Super Duty Steel 3ton $179.99
3.75"-23"lift
They also have 20 Ton bottle jacks. If you can use these without stands, it maybe worth getting 2 and using them instead/ $40 each
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Any recommendations or ones I should avoid?
Do I need anything over $100 from the above options?
http://www.harborfreight.com/#
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Then there is this list...
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=3 ton jack
I have 4ton jackstands already, and they looked pretty good.
So will be getting a jack soon.....
HF has about 10 different jacks!!
Geez. You need a degree to figure their pricing out....
69227/62116/62584, $89.99 ($74.99 with coupon, 3Day black Friday for $67.88) Heavy Duty (now just a marketing term) Steel 3ton
62326/61253/61282, $99.99 ($79.99 with coupon) Heavy Duty Steel 3ton Low Profile
All are 5"-18.25" lift
(Amazon has these for $56, but the shipping isn't free with Prime)
60706/62319/68056, $129.99, Steel 4ton
Aluminum 3ton /62248 $169.99
lifts from 3.75"-19.25"
And another
Dayton Super Duty Steel 3ton $179.99
3.75"-23"lift
They also have 20 Ton bottle jacks. If you can use these without stands, it maybe worth getting 2 and using them instead/ $40 each
?
Any recommendations or ones I should avoid?
Do I need anything over $100 from the above options?
http://www.harborfreight.com/#
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Then there is this list...
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=3 ton jack
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Please dear god don't get a torin 3 ton "suv" jack (walmart link)...those things are scary, I have a friend with one. It was used once and is permanently collecting dust now. That daytona one is new, looks to be pretty much the exact same as the 3 ton low profile regular version with some minor structural differences. Either way, I have experience with these 2 from them. Both are solid choices, I'd personally go for the 4ton if I was buying today (don't need low profile). http://www.harborfreight.com/3-ton-...vy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-61282.html http://www.harborfreight.com/4-ton-steel-heavy-duty-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-68056.html
If you keep an eye out or register your email with them, you can get a 20% off coupon on a single item fairly easily. Just know, if you buy anything at list price at harbor frieght, your doing it wrong :lol:
If you keep an eye out or register your email with them, you can get a 20% off coupon on a single item fairly easily. Just know, if you buy anything at list price at harbor frieght, your doing it wrong :lol:
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I use a Sears 4-ton floor jack and 3-ton jack stands from HF working on my Jeep. I have a 1.5 ton aluminum HF floor jack I use to lift my RZR. Works great.
HF torque wrenches on sale for $10 are a good buy.
HF torque wrenches on sale for $10 are a good buy.
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lok888,
According to Toyota, our SUVs with AWD system (i.e. RAV4, Highlander with compact spare) since they are primarily in front wheel drive mode during normal road condition, we have a choice to either rotate tires directly front-to-rear and rear-to-front without crossing OR Cross rotate from rear-to-front and front-straight-to-rear which is the method I have been using as that seemed to me better at tread wear more evenly (especially on the tread outer edges from cornering).
As for the jack(s), I try not to use the OEM jack for DIY maintenance work at home as that requires too many cranking, but it sure is light weight to drag around to each corner... LOL. My 3-year old floor jack from Craftsman "Professional" 3-ton duty (see attached picture) just failed last week in the middle of rotating my wife's RAV4 tires, good thing I used a stand otherwise the RAV4's passenger side rear will be sitting on the ground without a wheel - Phew! I now switched back to my Powerbuilt 2-in-1 jack & stand unit (also picture attached) which I used to use with my GMC Yukon (the reason I did not use the Powerbuilt 2-in-1 was due to its height clearance requirement @ 11", to solve that issue I drove the RAV4 on to 4 pieces of 2x8" at each wheel). Be Safe!
I most definitely agree with one of the posts, if you are going to DIY, use the appropriate torque wrench (lug nut torque for our HL is 76-ft/lbs).
According to Toyota, our SUVs with AWD system (i.e. RAV4, Highlander with compact spare) since they are primarily in front wheel drive mode during normal road condition, we have a choice to either rotate tires directly front-to-rear and rear-to-front without crossing OR Cross rotate from rear-to-front and front-straight-to-rear which is the method I have been using as that seemed to me better at tread wear more evenly (especially on the tread outer edges from cornering).
As for the jack(s), I try not to use the OEM jack for DIY maintenance work at home as that requires too many cranking, but it sure is light weight to drag around to each corner... LOL. My 3-year old floor jack from Craftsman "Professional" 3-ton duty (see attached picture) just failed last week in the middle of rotating my wife's RAV4 tires, good thing I used a stand otherwise the RAV4's passenger side rear will be sitting on the ground without a wheel - Phew! I now switched back to my Powerbuilt 2-in-1 jack & stand unit (also picture attached) which I used to use with my GMC Yukon (the reason I did not use the Powerbuilt 2-in-1 was due to its height clearance requirement @ 11", to solve that issue I drove the RAV4 on to 4 pieces of 2x8" at each wheel). Be Safe!
I most definitely agree with one of the posts, if you are going to DIY, use the appropriate torque wrench (lug nut torque for our HL is 76-ft/lbs).
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Craftsman 3ton FAILED after just 3 YEARS!??
What a bummer!
I'm going with the 4Ton at 129 -20% off from Harbor Freight.
But the idea of a lower profile or "tilt up" 2 in 1 jack and stand would be great! When can we start making them Sweeney? Let this post and idea be the public patent notification. The stand is built into the jack base and a hinged design tilts the stand up to support the weight. Maybe Sweeney and I can do the CAD, and someone with with a tig mig and machining can do a prototype ? Do we do a Kickstarter?
Craftsman 3ton FAILED after just 3 YEARS!??
What a bummer!
I'm going with the 4Ton at 129 -20% off from Harbor Freight.
But the idea of a lower profile or "tilt up" 2 in 1 jack and stand would be great! When can we start making them Sweeney? Let this post and idea be the public patent notification. The stand is built into the jack base and a hinged design tilts the stand up to support the weight. Maybe Sweeney and I can do the CAD, and someone with with a tig mig and machining can do a prototype ? Do we do a Kickstarter?
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