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Without further ado.

What came in the mail today was a gigantic box that frustrated the UPS guy and a dinky little one tossed on my doorstep by the Fedex guy.

There was some debate about exactly what went where on the projector lights so the first thing I did was to shoot a big picture of the back of the things focusing on (for once) the connections instead of the glitz.



There's a 9005 plug, a 9006 plug, and two sets of bare wires. One goes to the halo ring, one goes to the spider eyes. They're too short to tie together and into the same system--for all I know one's supposed to be for DRLs. Fuck DRLs. I'll wire the car for them if I ever move to Canada and get her legalized. Until then, the spider-eyes stay disconnected.

A sticker caught my eye.


LOL. Lightning ring. I CAST LIGHTNING RING AT THE DARKNESS!

Lightning ring does sound more awesome than halo. I'd rather have a ring of lightning chasing itself over my head than a halo, because if I were eligible for a halo I wouldn't be having nearly as much fun from life. Lightning ring it is. (Pardon my stylistic differences, I've been up doing grueling physical labor for 16 hours now on 3 hours of sleep and I'm too exhausted to be Mr. Spock.)


Here are the old lights. They're nothing special...RHD-spec H4 single-bulb enclosures that Dorfinator sent my way some years back when he upgraded to something different. Thanks, Dave! I'll follow your example. Does anybody out there want a set of completely free (but you pay shipping) H4 enclosures? The bulbs still work, shit, compliment me a little and I'll even throw in the relays that go from 9005/9006 to H4. These are heavy-duty relays, wrapped like Egyptian mummies in electrical tape and have held up to about two years of the way I drive and the Pacific Northwest.


And here's the old lights with the parking lights on. The astute may notice that I took the time to cross-wire my markers to the yellow bulbs in the H4 enclosures. This saved me a lot of time later.




Here's the old low-beams on, as they project on the apartment wall. It was bright outside, but still they're not exactly pinpoint-precision and both aimed annoyingly low.


High beams. Better than the euro-spec crystal dual-bulb enclosures by a long shot, even on the low beams, but not as good as I hoped the projectors would be.



One of the things in the little baggie of attached bits that I sat and spent some time puzzling over on the curb was a set of plastic brackets. Most headlights have the attachment metal rods or screw threads that run left-to-right across the width of the car and through the holes in that plate. These headlights have their mounting spikes going front-to-back and these plastic "gaskets" screw through the metal bracket and provide the proper holes. They came with push-in tighteners that were supposed to provide an even closer fit for the headlights. The front end of my car has seen a lot of abuse and my attempts to fasten the headlights in with these little retainer bits led to one being catapulted violently halfway along the car and the other one's still somewhere down in the underbody tray where I can't even see it with a good flashlight and plenty of helpful swearing. You don't need them. Which is just as well or I'd still be out there as the sun goes down.




The engrish instructions tell you to pull the rubber plug out of the bottom of the lightning ring and install the provided bulb assembly, splicing wires, push it into the ring, seal it back up. I popped the cover and the seller or manufacturer had already done this. Thank you seller or manufacturer! These are LEDs in a normal bulb socket. You could replace them with different colors or a filament bulb if you really wanted. I didn't want.


Yes, you have to take the grill off. My grill, thanks to a lot of abuse and a lot of pairs of headlights and a lot of wrenching without the help of a manual (and the help of lots of road salt making everything rusted and snap-prone) is only held on by one screw and a twist-tie these days so that was easy. With the new one-piece projector side light in and the parking lights on, one side looks just a little classier.



So what's the light output like on low beams, side by side? Glad you asked!


What's the light output like on high beams, side by side? Glad you asked!



Remember I said you don't need those little plastic retention-clip bastards? Here's why.



I've left out the part where you splice into the wiring from your parking light to power either the lightning ring (it's two wires, it's not hard, if you can't figure out how to strip a little insulation, twist-and-tape (or solder) you shouldn't be doing this.) or the spider eyes. I've also left out the part where you try to fit the damn parking light bulb into the very outside reflector, because it was long and frustrating and I wound up having to take off the rubber rings to get the twist-sockets into their new homes. If I start going through marker bulbs I'll update this thread to tell you to shave those rings in half or something. Otherwise, forget it.

The other side is just as straightforward. Both sides running on parking lights, looking good.



So how do the new low beams look? Glad you asked! You can see the cutoff pattern, speaking well of the optics and badly of the alignment/aiming. These headlights are actually adjustable--there's a screw below the low beams and a bunch surrounding the high beams. Unfortunately these are axial to the socket itself meaning that you'd either need a prepubescent set of hands on a socket, some way of making more space, or to take the headlights out to adjust the aim. Which is likely to throw off the aim more than adjusting will throw it back on.



What do the new highbeams look like? Glad you asked!


I have no data on how they perform yet, but in bright daylight they're brighter and better focused than the old ones. Tomorrow I'll be out starting my day before the sun comes up again so I'll have empirical data if I'm awake enough to notice.

In the meantime, my ancient point and shoot is a real trooper when it comes to getting documentary shots but when I want to make a point I drag out the dSLR. You've read enough, have some installation-porn...the only aspects that this is not straight from the camera is the license plate (obviously) and the image resizing. No color/contrast/brightness retouches, no cropping. I love my big camera. And I must say I think I like the new look for Jez, black bumper lights included.



What do you think, sirs?
 

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Yeah, they need alignment. I can see overlapping fields everywhere I look. That's a job for another day (there's a garage in town that'll do it for cheap with the meters and stuff) and for somebody else.

In the meantime, I took a little night drive. Light output is phenomenal even with the cheap Ebay-included bulbs, overall field is dramatically more even, high beams make the tunnel of light bigger, not just aim it further upward...this is the most and best light output I have ever gotten from this car, including HIR and 9005-to-9006 experimentation.
 

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well done piloter you did it altho the guy wired mine different but you will definately like the light output ther really great, heard they are even better with HID's but i also got the sticker about no HID's not allowed but the guy who installed them said that you can use HID bulbs plus he told me they run cooler than the bulbs they come in which they do get hot when you touch the lights when they are on... might just use the HID'S on high beam only lol.
 

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Bitter, I'll make sure to get a night photo the next time I'm awake when it's dark. Lately my schedule has me sleeping well before sundown and getting up in the middle of sunset--possibly this weekend. Would the fact that they're a light source of a specific length (filament) make a difference given optics that look like they're meant to work with diffuse (HID) sources? I'm thinking that alone would explain the hot spots.

Topnotch, thanks. Figures I find the lights with the best output absolute last of everything I try. I had the high beams on for about 20 minutes straight on a nice slow country drive and the housings were warm but not dangerously so...still, though, if I can get them aligned, the pattern and output are good enough to go HID with. How did yours get wired up and do you recall what exactly the bulbs are? (I didn't even think to look.) The only gripe I've got is that my lightning rings are comparatively dim--I know they won't be BMW-esque with only two LEDs in a lightpipe, but was this your experience as well?
 

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yea my lighting rings arent that bright... tho i figure getting a simlar led bulb but brighter should work, but the 3 led lights are bright as hell if you try taking a pic of them head on you get one line of light instead of 3 individual lights lol but the guy wired mine as follows.... the far corner light i have as my turning/signal light because my package came with 2 amber bulbs the outter headlight is my low beam and the inner one is my high beam but i told him that when i switch to high beam that the low beams stay on that way the road will be fully lit and i can see everything specially on roads without street lamps.... the bulbs are H1 bulbs but i swapped out the bulbs and use H1 65watt bulbs for low beam and 100watts for bright (superwhites) those and my fogs gave me excellent light and distance on dark roads
 

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Bitter, I'll make sure to get a night photo the next time I'm awake when it's dark. Lately my schedule has me sleeping well before sundown and getting up in the middle of sunset--possibly this weekend. Would the fact that they're a light source of a specific length (filament) make a difference given optics that look like they're meant to work with diffuse (HID) sources? I'm thinking that alone would explain the hot spots.

Topnotch, thanks. Figures I find the lights with the best output absolute last of everything I try. I had the high beams on for about 20 minutes straight on a nice slow country drive and the housings were warm but not dangerously so...still, though, if I can get them aligned, the pattern and output are good enough to go HID with. How did yours get wired up and do you recall what exactly the bulbs are? (I didn't even think to look.) The only gripe I've got is that my lightning rings are comparatively dim--I know they won't be BMW-esque with only two LEDs in a lightpipe, but was this your experience as well?
It could, but I don't think those or any aftermarket projector are designed for HID. possibly just poor lensing/reflector design. what size lenses are those? if you're going HID it may be worth your while to do a lens re-fit.

I'd say nice highbeams, but them is wimpy :p mine are like turning on daylight infront of my car, but I have a much larger reflector to spread the light more and brighter bulbs. I'm sure they're better than the factory bow-tie light pattern.
 

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It could, but I don't think those or any aftermarket projector are designed for HID. possibly just poor lensing/reflector design. what size lenses are those? if you're going HID it may be worth your while to do a lens re-fit.
Uh. I'll measure them some other time, they're fairly small though. Maybe 2.5"? If I do go HID I'd figured on picking up a set of projectors and bulbs anyway, not this rebased-bulb stuff that's so popular with the kids these days.

Here's a no-flash picture in the dark with the low beams. Car was about 10 feet from the wall (I think, you can see the hood and make a reasonable guess given that this was taken from my vantage point standing by the driver's door at 6+ feet) and there was a security light also illuminating that wall, although you can't really see it.



And here's the high beams. The lighting got funky, this doesn't portray how bright they are. (Compare the intensity of the steps in the low beam picture to this, equalize this until those steps are as bright, and you've got the right idea.) My Powershot's old and not the greatest for low-ambient-light no-flash work.



Bearing in mind that each of the four buckets is independently adjustable, like I said, the output's pretty good and it's got a lot of potential for alignment/bulb upgrades/real projectors.

Haha, nearly forgot to add the obligatory bugeyed-in-the-dark shot.



The Spouse (who views all this silly car stuff as about as interesting as you or I would view needlepoint) approves wildly, commenting multiple times that they look great on Jez and that the quality and quantity of light output are amazingly improved. For her, to say anything at all is praise, for her to wax effusive is unheardof. Whee spousal approval! (Wouldn't change me liking them, but it's nice to have the decision backed up...)
 

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true but ther adjustable so like you said its an easy fix for me am satisfied with them tho ther better than OEM lights. ther is a guy who goes by the name goldcorolla. the stuff he did with his projectors are magnificant but he change the projectors to more powerfull ones and even change the lighthing rings with brighter ones and i mean BRIGHTER ONES lol. when you guys get a chance check his ride out on cardomain.com its a blue 7th gen corolla with a 8th gen front conversion i think. he has a whole write up on his car with every detail. especially about his projectors.
 

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true but ther adjustable so like you said its an easy fix for me am satisfied with them tho ther better than OEM lights. ther is a guy who goes by the name goldcorolla. the stuff he did with his projectors are magnificant but he change the projectors to more powerfull ones and even change the lighthing rings with brighter ones and i mean BRIGHTER ONES lol. when you guys get a chance check his ride out on cardomain.com its a blue 7th gen corolla with a 8th gen front conversion i think. he has a whole write up on his car with every detail. especially about his projectors.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/801395/1994-toyota-corolla-dx-sedan-4d-columbia-md-us?p=6#Retrofit is his page. He is also on HID planet and has videos of the output. He has 4 bi-xenon projectors in his.

I'm also glad OP changed lights for others peoples sake. WHY did you get RHD headlights living in WA.? That just put the whole slope right in other drivers eyes :thumbsdow but at least it's changed :thumbsup:.
 

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I'm also glad OP changed lights for others peoples sake. WHY did you get RHD headlights living in WA.? That just put the whole slope right in other drivers eyes :thumbsdow
Because light output was improved? And also because specifically in order to avoid that I mounted the driver's side headlight deliberately wrong so it would shine inward and downward like a proper LHD beam pattern? No cop has ever had a problem with aim or glare from me and I live just across the street from the local station...and believe me, small town cops in a yuppie town have plenty of spare time to pull people over for these things if they can find the slightest justification. Thanks for the link, gives me some good ideas for the "lightning rings".

It should be possible to put in rebased bulbs, yes, but I think what's there is plenty good enough unless I decide to go full-on projector retrofit.
 

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I mounted the driver's side headlight deliberately wrong so it would shine inward and downward like a proper LHD beam pattern?

It should be possible to put in rebased bulbs, yes, but I think what's there is plenty good enough unless I decide to go full-on projector retrofit.
As a lighting enthusiast that RHD cut in your pics was the first thing I noticed and cringed. I first saw some of those on vacation in Grand Cayman riding in an '03 Corolla as a Taxi which put me on a hunt for the LHD versions with no luck. A couple years later (before all the JDM available clear ones) I was on vacation in Aruba and saw same thing in LHD versions. While my wife took an afternoon nap at the hotel I went to local Yota Dealer and they had them in stock. I bought them on the spot (for like $120 each) and put in my luggage. She didn't talk to me for 3 days (until she got her matching anniversary band as a surprise on New Years). 4 months later I caught a rock that shattered one :headbang: 2 days after that a co-worker said she was leaving in 4 hours to go to Aruba on vacation :eek::D. I gave her ALL the info, dinner money, taxi money and begged. As soon as she got home I also ordered a bulk piece of X-pel which DEFINITELY was a worthwhile investment.

If your looking at the rebased bulb kits check DDM tuning for best price/warranty. I'm looking at doing a retro into my Sonata but only because I want the Bi-xenon. Putting a rebased kit in my current projectors is actually a great cutoff with almost no hot spots. If I do the FX-R's I'll probably mod them to keep the current LHD slope that I have now as it works great for many roads I drive on all the time. HID highs from the bi-xenon projectors would make it perfect for me.

Also currently working on some Morimoto bi-xenon H1's in the Sequoia foglights. :naughty:
 

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Hi all, just came back and saw this thread.

Thanks for remembering me and my hard work to write up all that stuff :lol:

I've actually switched my head lights from the ebay lights to the JDM ones lol. But that RHD slope cutoff was terrible and sucked, so now I retrofitted real HID projectors (type FX-R) into them as you can see on my sig. That is the only way to have good HID anyway.

But I did install these lights, they are pretty easy. The fitment was terrible on my car though, I had to do a lot of adjusting.

As for installation, the lights come with an adapter piece that bolts to the fender so that the head light can slip back and clip to it (the one-piece design prevents the head lights from mounting like stock).


The halos are very dim, and they burn out so easily. Mine did not last long. But the 3 LEDs in the middle are very bright in their reflectors.


But I am confused at your output pictures. Your low beams are different than mine were. Notice that I installed an H1 HID kit immediately. So I had to drill out the projectors a little to fit them, and I worked with the projector optics to result in a much more even and straight beam than you show.


I even got the blue cutoff line. The spots of glare on the door result from the head light shrouds themselves reflecting light back up.


Here is my output with the halogen high beams. The nice thing is that the high beams are adjustable separate from the low beams, so I adjusted them like this


They weren't bright, so I put another H1 HID kit in the high beams


Here is the output of the projectors only on the road. It is not very wide or even, but it is bright directly in front of the car.


Here is the inside of the head light, to help understand how the aiming system works


But since the halos were broken, the output was not good (even with HID kit), and I wanted to black out the lights, I got to work on my $1,000 head lights :ugh3:

The projector lens is indeed 2.5". Here is the FX-R bixenon projector on the left with the halogen ebay projector on the right.


And here is the difference in output. The bixenon is a true HID projector, so it takes the extra light from the HID technology and redistributes the light very wide and even. The optics are more precise, so you get a much nicer cutoff (sharp and blue). And of course the bixenon includes an HID high beam!


Then I blacked out the chrome inside with VHT Nite Shades. I installed 3 pairs of CCFL halo rings (so much nicer than the broken LED ones, and visible in the day time). I put LEDs in the corner light for a nice even look. Among other things.


The LEDs and CCFLs are very bright!


And when it is all said and done ($1,000 and hours later) you can enjoy driving with sick bixenon head lights that are twice as powerful as any OEM HIDs :D




But the fitment was still poor on the car :crybaby:

hope this helps some, let me know any other questions!

:thankyou:
 
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