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I started having a problem where my GEN1 1999 Avalon XLS was taking 2-3 retries before it would start. The car was turning over quite strong but wouldn't start. Seemingly out of luck it would start around the 3rd or 4th try.

Since this didn't seem like any a battery problem I took it to the mechanic. The mechanic suspected it was a transponder key problem and so he called me back to bring my other set of keys, which I did. When I got there the vehicle wouldn't start with the other key either. The way it was turning over though without starting it did remind me of how the car behaved on a non transponder before I realized I had to buy and program the transponder key when I first bought it a few years ago.

That mechanic didn't get very far with it, but he passed my vehicle along to another mechanic friend of his that was more familiar with electrical problems, who diagnosed this as a computer problem that needed to go to the dealer. I asked this guy if he'd be willing to fix the problem if I bought a computer from the junkyard and we called an auto locksmith to clear the computer and program the keys. He refused. Neither of these guys charged me luckily since they couldn't solve the problem.

I called the dealer to check to see how much they would charge to replace a computer and how much the part was. Their quote was 1-2 hrs of labor, and $1800! for the parts if the computer had to be replaced, but they did say that it was very rare that the computer had to be replaced. Since I have been taking my car to these smaller shops that maybe don't have all the know-how I suspect that the computer might have really been blown. This problem just popped up after the same mechanic above was unable to diagnose an AC relay that needed to be replaced (2nd time in 2 years).

Hesitant to go to the dealer and pay $1800 for their computer, I checked with a bigger shop down the street that said he could do it for $600. After leaving the car with him for diagnosis, his price jumped to $900 ($650 parts, $200 labor, $50 tax). I didn't have the time to deal with yet another tow, and my trusty mechanic, who is now growing very old, didn't want to do "this kind of work" either, so I left it with him even at $900. I did bicker with him telling him that we can find this computer for $75-$125 at the junkyard and can hire an auto locksmith to do the programming, but he said the place he was buying the $650 computer from was going to give him support on it and help clear/program it, plus he said he'd give me a 6 month warranty, which helped because I wasn't sure if there was another short/fuse that caused the computer to blow (I did tell him about the relay). I just found out today that he wasn't able to fix it, or get the support they promised him on the computer. He is now telling me to take this to the dealer.

Has anybody had any similar experience with their Avalon? I don't mind taking this to the dealer, and don't mind paying them but I am really hesitant to cough up $1800 for an ECM! If it's just labor it seems like it should be reasonable

It seems like I should be able to just find a junkyard with an ECM and a transponder key, and put the transponder key in the glovebox to keep the car starting. Has anybody else replaced the ECM without going through the dealer? Anybody done it themselves, or with the help of the auto locksmith?
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Updates from other threads

Just read these two threads

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-274138.html

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/47915-new-used-ecm-now-wont-start-2.html

and it seems like I don't even need to replace the ECM, just need to get the current one re-flashed to reset the immobilizer.

Any thoughts? Replace and reflash, or just reflash current one?
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Toyota MSRP for the ECU looks to be under $1200. See if you can find a dealer who doesn't charge 150% of list price for their parts. For DIY, you can get parts for 30% off of MSRP from one of the TN sponsors, [email protected] He's parts manager at that dealership in GA.
Fix it and try to sell it. With the recent recalls on the Avalon, it is going to really start losing resale value.
Tried reflashing old ECM today, security light still on after reflash, and car won't start. Bought a used ECM also today and will be trying reflash on that one on Monday
Zythr, I'm surprised to hear a comment like that on Toyota Nation! I am still of the opinion that the older Toyotas are very high quality. I have another 92 Camry DX (no power gadgets to break!) at 146000 miles running strong, plan to keep it till it dies. This 99 Avalon is a bench seat and 107000 miles. Hardly put any miles on it so would like to hold on to it for at least 3 or 5 more years if it's running strong after this ECM nonsense.
TedL, Going to try my luck with this ECM from the junkyard first.
Zythr, I'm surprised to hear a comment like that on Toyota Nation! I am still of the opinion that the older Toyotas are very high quality. I have another 92 Camry DX (no power gadgets to break!) at 146000 miles running strong, plan to keep it till it dies. This 99 Avalon is a bench seat and 107000 miles. Hardly put any miles on it so would like to hold on to it for at least 3 or 5 more years if it's running strong after this ECM nonsense.
It's true. Most of the recalls and problems has involved the Avalon to some extent. Good luck in fixing yours:)
Update

The Avalon is fixed. Total cost $1700, ECM/EFI $1100 parts, $600 labor

Dealer (Joe Myers Toyota) replaced the EFI relay and the ECM.

1) I suspect I may not have needed to replace the ECM if I had started with the dealer, and not let the locksmith attempt to clear and reprogram the ECM. Odd thing is that the security light was on when the problem was happening so it seemed to be related to the ECM in some way or another.
2) Dealer rep mentioned two other parts that play a role in talking to the transponder key that could have been defective-- Transponder Key Coil and Amplifier. As it stands they didn't replace either of these, but not sure if these may be sub-components of the ECM. I doubt it. If you run into the same issue you may check these parts as well before jumping into replacing ECM
3) If I had to do this over again I would not have bothered to attempt with reprogramming the ECM at all-- I would rather have attempted to locate an ECM with the matching transponder key from the junkyard. I also would not have let the locksmith clear the programming from my original vehicle ECM, and only let them tinker with a junkyard ECM if necessary. Also, not sure if my locksmith was knowledgeable about reflashing the ECM for 99 Avalons. He said they are all the same, but I'm not sure if they are or not. The dealer had the same story that the older vehicles ECM wasn't reflashable.
4) Also if I had to do this over again, I would confirm the EFI relay was not the problem. It seems like this gen of Avalon seems to have problems w/relays more than anything else.

Junkyard I bought ECM from that didn't work was great. They let me exchange the ECM For a few other parts-- just bought a few wheels to ensure all vehicles have full size spares.

Only problem is now is since the vehicle came back from the dealer, the back light on the stereo unit is out. Dealer claims that it's not their fault and that they can't fix it since it's not a factory unit, which is very disappointing given the price I paid.

99 Avalon
92 Camry
99 Altima
00 Frontier
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